del949:
Well, after all the comments and insults I still cannot see what purpose HATSO’s serve that would not be better served by police patrols.
As far as I am concerned they have been implemented soley to cut costs by reducing the number of “proper” police patrols.
Only had one actual contact with them, and I disagreed with their judgment, but they went on their way happpily.
well bloody said dell 
del949:
Well, after all the comments and insults I still cannot see what purpose HATO’s serve that would not be better served by police patrols.
As far as I am concerned they have been implemented soley to cut costs by reducing the number of “proper” police patrols.
Only had one actual contact with them, and I disagreed with their judgment, but they went on their way happpily.
The purpose we serve is to patrol the Highways Agency motorway network, our agency is responsible for that network, not the police, whose job is to enforce the law. Why weigh down a highly trained overstretched police officer with none important jobs when a trained none police patrol officer can do the job.
The Highway Man:
del949:
Well, after all the comments and insults I still cannot see what purpose HATO’s serve that would not be better served by police patrols.
As far as I am concerned they have been implemented soley to cut costs by reducing the number of “proper” police patrols.
Only had one actual contact with them, and I disagreed with their judgment, but they went on their way happpily.The purpose we serve is to patrol the Highways Agency motorway network, our agency is responsible for that network, not the police, whose job is to enforce the law. Why weigh down a highly trained overstretched police officer with none important jobs when a trained none police patrol officer can do the job.
Fair point.
The purpose we serve is to patrol the Highways Agency motorway network, our agency is responsible for that network, not the police, whose job is to enforce the law. Why weigh down a highly trained overstretched police officer with none important jobs when a trained none police patrol officer can do the job
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In your position I too would wheel out the standard answer.
however I can remember when hatso’s were first proposed and the then minister of state said that the role would be to reduce traffic congestion on motorways and make the roads safer.
I cannot see how you make the traffic congestion less.
from my experience it seems that you actually increase congestion when anything goes wrong.
I am sorry if my criticism offends you, but I really, honestly, sincerely cannot see any value in your position.
A bit like wallpapering over cracks in the wall! Looks good but serves no purpose.
they may not ease congestion.
but, i think they def contribute too making the roads safer.
if i were a tyre fitter, or recovery driver, i’d be glad of their prescence
here here top work lads!!!if yous put the boot on the other foot ,your other half and kids breaksdown on the motorway no lights freezing cold would you think they were a good thing??
del949:
In your position I too would wheel out the standard answer.I am sorry if my criticism offends you, but I really, honestly, sincerely cannot see any value in your position.
A bit like wallpapering over cracks in the wall! Looks good but serves no purpose.
del 949
While it may be a standard answer, it has some truth. With reference to your earlier point about having enough police on the motorways, yes I agree with you. This may seem hypocritical from a HATO but I do agree. I would also like to see lots of police in town centres. I would like there to be enough police to be able to have enough presence to put moronic thugs out of business etc. etc. Unfortunately it ain’t going to happen cause the govt. won’t pay for it. 
papering over the cracks it may be but if it is the case that the police cannot or will not be provided, what do we do, have noone there. 
We do what, sadly, the police no longer have the resource to do. If it of no value to you, it is and has been to some but hopefully you will never need our services.
As said before, some HATOs let us down, but this is the same in all walks of life (dreva being a good example 
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Your comments do not offend, you can’t have debate without differing views.
snafu:
del949:
In your position I too would wheel out the standard answer.I am sorry if my criticism offends you, but I really, honestly, sincerely cannot see any value in your position.
A bit like wallpapering over cracks in the wall! Looks good but serves no purpose.
del 949
While it may be a standard answer, it has some truth. With reference to your earlier point about having enough police on the motorways, yes I agree with you. This may seem hypocritical from a HATO but I do agree. I would also like to see lots of police in town centres. I would like there to be enough police to be able to have enough presence to put moronic thugs out of business etc. etc. Unfortunately it ain’t going to happen cause the govt. won’t pay for it.
papering over the cracks it may be but if it is the case that the police cannot or will not be provided, what do we do, have noone there.
We do what, sadly, the police no longer have the resource to do. If it of no value to you, it is and has been to some but hopefully you will never need our services.
As said before, some HATOs let us down, but this is the same in all walks of life (dreva being a good example
Your comments do not offend, you can’t have debate without differing views.
you have your own sad wasters forum you and the rest want to stop trying to justify your job and sad little existance realise your a waste of the tax payers money thats why your always chelping about not enough police to justify what sad little muppets you really are im really glad i have offended you so much i even get mentioned in your other posts you sad little men 
look forward to your reply im waiting 
del949:
Well, after all the comments and insults I still cannot see what purpose HATO’s serve that would not be better served by police patrols.
As far as I am concerned they have been implemented soley to cut costs by reducing the number of “proper” police patrols.
The same can be said about PCSO`s ,
and the same can be said about Agency Drivers,
and Agency staff for warehousing,
part-time workers and illegals working the fields and cockle-picking.
each one on its own merit, and each one to fill a void at a lower financial costing but Still providing a service as and when .
Oh , and i think that as TAX payers everyone contributes to the system ,
so maybe the HATO`s are paying towards their own wages as a Tax payer ■■?
Going off subject I hate paying my tax money to keep illegals in this country when they could be sent back at the border and made to apply for entry into UK before they even get in.
There are thousands of them in UK and many of them not even registered on the system , so how the hell are we to keep track of them
and most of those have come over in the back of a lorry through a border control that has supposedly checked for their prescence
and now they are here , they go back to lorry parks and slit curtains, break open trailers and steal anything they can lay their hands on to sell again.
My experience has been HATO`s do an excellent job out there,
keep it up guys and gals.
Unfortunately in every field there will always be one numpty who spoils the broth .
I also think “Drivel” (dreva) is doing a good job of goating the debate even if he is a zb ## r zb of the highest order, lets hope the drugs wear off soon.
Trux I don’t think that the comparison with agency drivers etc is accurate.
Agency workers, wether in cabs, warehouses or picking crops in the field ,actually do the same job as their full time counterparts.
PCSO’s and HATSO’s do not do the same job as their police counterparts…
Yes, agency workers etc are usually employed to cut costs, but for doing the same job as a full time worker.
Hatso’s are not employed to do the same as police patrols and as I have said previousley I cannot see that they provide a worthwhile service, especially when compared to the cost of setting them up.
They can ony be slightly cheaper than police officers as the only difference in cost that I can see is the wage. The equipment used etc is virtually the same and operting costs must be similar.
Added to this cost is the infrastructure of their administration, which must virtually duplicate the police admin.
If, therefore they were abolished, the saving in duplicated costings plus the saving in wages would enable to authorities to provide more “proper” policing.
I have no problem with them as people, not having found them as jumped up jobsworths etc, and expect that they are personally the same as the rest of us, just men/women trying to make a living.
PCSO’s are much he same, although I have come across a couple of these"trained" officers who are distinctly aggressive/rascist and generally full of themselves and their sense of importance.
Lets pack in the name calling and insults, this could be a very good discussion about the role of HATO’s and wether that role would be better filled by a well funded Police service.
Using derogatory remarks only serves to make any arguement put forward seem weak.
Anyone continuing to use insults will probably be recieving a warning in the near future. If the thread continues downwards it will be locked.
quote=“del949”]Trux I don’t think that the comparison with agency drivers etc is accurate…
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I beg to differ on that one but each to their own opinion.
del949:
Agency workers, wether in cabs, warehouses or picking crops in the field ,actually do the same job as their full time counterparts…
Got it in a nutshell, exactly what i was aiming at !
del949:
PCSO’s and HATSO’s do not do the same job as their police counterparts…
True , and they were never intended to be so, but they were implemented to work alongside the Police role and relieve the Police of the mundane duties and free them up and be in public prescence should someone require their assistance.
Though in some aspects they do some similar things of police role untill the “proper” police arrive on scene if needed and take over.
Anything is better than Nothing.
del949:
Yes, agency workers etc are usually employed to cut costs, but for doing the same job as a full time worker…
Exactly what I was getting at. We deffinitley agree on that one.
del949:
Hatso’s are not employed to do the same as police patrols and as I have said previousley I cannot see that they provide a worthwhile service, especially when compared to the cost of setting them up…
Seems to me they do respond to and assist Motorways Police to incidents on the motorways and some trunk roads, and do a very good job of it too.
Do we really need a police patrol ■■■■■■■ stopping at people broken down or ran out of fuel ? when the police can be catching the true criminals and law-breakers ?
del949:
They can ony be slightly cheaper than police officers as the only difference in cost that I can see is the wage. The equipment used etc is virtually the same and operting costs must be similar.
Added to this cost is the infrastructure of their administration, which must virtually duplicate the police admin…
point exactly , cheaper .
One is locally funded and you pay your council tax charges towards -
the other is government funded.
Both ways you get taxed on it.
As for administration, more staff – more supervising, same amount of staffing required. So no difference there .
It would be interesting to see the “end of year” financial reports and compare the two.
But as one is still developing from a fairly fresh start a true “fair” comparison might not yet be viable for a couple of years yet. but i could be wrong.
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del949:
if, therefore they were abolished, the saving in duplicated costings plus the saving in wages would enable to authorities to provide more “proper” policing…
Wouldnt make any difference, same costs involved if not more probably. Thats the intention, to free up "proper" policing. Im sure the big-boys up top of Government have already made lots of considerations regarding any diversifying.
I think the Hato’s do a good job, they are there when needed and don’t interfere if its not needed. My only experience of them was when I came across an overturned trailer attached to a van with a cherry picker on it on the M6 while on my way to Glasgow,as the van and trailer were in lane 2 and 3 I stopped the artic in lane 2 and slightly encroached it onto lane 3 (about half across lane 3) with hazards on to stop people ploughing in to the van. When hato got there they were very appreciative as it was starting to get busy but as people could see the wagon they moved over to lane 1. Hato turned up and could not thank me enough for possibly saving the drivers life as he was stood by the trailer as he couldn’t get to the hard shoulder because of nob heads seeing him at the last minute and swerving on to the hard shoulder and lane 1. As soon as I had told them everything I knew they stopped the traffic for me and let me on my way. They could not have thanked me anymore if I had asked them to.
The savings over time will be substantial, what is the average wage for a copper? Roughly £25000 for someone that has done 2 years (which you need to have done to become a traffic plod) , I believe the average wage for a Hato is £21,000. That is £4000 per person. There are 28 outstations where Hato’s run from and I guess with approximately 30 Hato’s in each outstation
28 X 30 = 840
560 X £4000 = £3,360,000 per year
Plus the savings on police pensions. (and this is based on all traffic cops just earning the basic pc’s wage)
Also the amount of lives they will save and free up the coppers to deal with real criminals. I’m guessing that the savings in terms of lives saved are worth it any way, even if they only save one a year it’s worth it. How many times would a copper have been at the scene of a crash with maybe three cars there and then got a shout for a major incident (take the London bombings for instance) and had to respond to that and had to leave the others on the carriageway to fend for themselves!
At least with Hato you have a service that will be there and help you when you need it.
It has happened and they are here to stay. Deal with it.
To the ones that slag them off, do it as much as you like but if you do slag them off I hope when you do need a lane closure or escorting to stop people ploughing in to the back of you they are there for you. If they are not and you do get shunted by an artic at 56mph because he didn’t see you then be it on your head!
the only hato with any sense on here is the highwayman who puts valid points across and not make excuses for his position like the rest of you
dreva:
the only hato with any sense on here is the highwayman who puts valid points across and not make excuses for his position like the rest of you
Thank you, it’s my Red Cross training that makes me a diplomat, the Diplomatic Corps lost out when I became a Royal Military Policeman
Highwayman,i feel insulted even more by Dreva saying you’re the only one with sense.
If the HA found out you have sense,P45 for you
extrucker:
Highwayman,i feel insulted even more by Dreva saying you’re the only one with sense.
If the HA found out you have sense,P45 for you
That’s us North Westerners for you and also why I’m not a TM
How come im a TM then??Must have slipped thru 
The Highway Man:
extrucker:
Highwayman,i feel insulted even more by Dreva saying you’re the only one with sense.
If the HA found out you have sense,P45 for youThat’s us North Westerners for you and also why I’m not a TM
extrucker:
How come im a TM then??
Hmmmm…
they can fall out amongst there selfs