bikemonkey:
its all well a good a bit of heated discussion,but when it goes down so low that certain members feel the need to report people to their employers for something that THEY dont like or agree with then the site loses a big part of its appeal to me and im sure many others too!!!
YES.
And for what it’s worth I voted ‘yes’ to the poll as well but that vote is directed squarely at Big Jase and Bob Parr.
I will tell it like it is - I’ve read virtually all the posts made by the various HATOs on this site and when you cut out all the BS and waffle from their posts all you’re left with is a load of a power-tripping gumpf about how important they all are and what an agonisingly difficult job they all do, which us mere truckers would never be able to do… .
Now I don’t really have any issues with that as they’re entitled to their opinions just as much as I am or any other member, but what does really infuriate me are the “Judge Dread” (thank you muckles ) ways of Big Jase and Bob Parr where they post chapter and verse about how much of a “dangerous and inconsiderate” driver you are if you so much as take one hand off the wheel to pick your nose/arse/whatever. But what angers me even more is that they’re making “dossiers” of all our wrong-doings and posting it all over the web to drag our names and this site’s reputation into the gutter and that just simply is not on.
Some of the best reads on this site are the photo diaries and it’s now gotten to the point where members are too frightened to post them anymore in fear of one of (or both of) the “Judge Dread’s” interrogating them about how and when the pics were taken and then adding the “evidence” to their portfolio’s of UK’s Most Dangerous Truckers and posting it all over the web.
This is not some police site, it is a site for truckers and we should be allowed to freely post what we want, legal or not (to an extent, obviously, and I’m referring to taking pics specifically) without living in fear of a bunch of power-tripping brownie-point-scoring do-gooders questioning our actions and selectively posting the evidence all over the web, particularly on Daily Mail-reader type sites where they know they’ll get the power-trip that they want.
We all know that reading maps/notes, taking pics, pouring brews, using mobiles etc on the move is distracting and we’re “not in full control of the vehicle” etc but I think that I could probably speak for most here in that we all do one or more of the above at least once a day and with practice you get quite good at it . We all know that they’re illegal and we all know that telling stories of doing it and posting pics of doing it could potentially land us in hot water but that is our choice and we shouldn’t be having to live in fear of a couple of power-tripping members whose sole purpose here is to find fault, collect evidence and chastise everything we do. For those reasons - and also more importantly the loss of members’ excellent photo diaries - I call for Big Jase and Bob Parr to be banned with immediate effect please. Who shares my views?
i voted no.
In the thread in question some members have issues with hato and some hatos have issues with reality.
The mod’s should’ve stepped in earlier but other than that we should all respect each other views more. Maybe we can learn from each other.
Well Rob has stole my thunder somewhat , as I cannot add anything to what he has said.
Personally I don’t want a blanket ban on HATO’s most are OK. Just the couple that have already been mentioned should be able to look at a post for what it is and leave it there, not go busy-bodying to authorities and phoning employers etc (which reading between the lines is what has gone off).
Highway Man - don’t stop posting, in all the posts I’ve read of yours I find that you are quite supportive of our everyday issues and you put forward a good case at times from what the other sides views are. However I do feel that your posting of Dogthehunter’s picture on the police forum was out of order for whatever reason and I would like to think that if any future issues are raised you would think against doing it.
Moderators should have stepped in to the argument a lot quicker in my opinion as some of the hypothetical scenarios that Big Jase wrote were sick and over the top, just as the posting of the Stathams pictures by Bob Parr on the day of the funeral too if i’m not mistaken.
I agree with the majority of comments made on here, specifically with the post by RobK. I don’t think a blanket ban on HATO’s is the way to go, but when individuals start using this site for there own crusade and possibly bringing it into disrepute by posting information which was initially only on TRUCKNET onto other sites then something should be done by the moderators.
I vote no to banning HATO’S but i do vote yes for banning bob parr and big jase, and any other individual be they HATO or other who over a period of time constantly goes against the spirit of this site and the posts made on it.
i voted no.
same reasons as most. you can’t ban a specific type of people, just because they have a couple of idiots among them, or don’t always agree with your own points. as someone has already pointed out, adolf tried it, and fortunately, it didn’t work. where would you draw the line?
wouldn’t be fair too ban all hatos, on the strength of 2 or 3 divs, amongst them.
if you start banning people for this idiot element, then there would be no trucknet.
Limestone Cowboy:
Highway Man - don’t stop posting, in all the posts I’ve read of yours I find that you are quite supportive of our everyday issues and you put forward a good case at times from what the other sides views are. However I do feel that your posting of Dogthehunter’s picture on the police forum was out of order for whatever reason and I would like to think that if any future issues are raised you would think against doing it.
I appreciate where you’re coming from, in my naivety, I posted the link trying to get a definitive answer, but with hindsight, it was the wrong thing to do and there will be no repetition from this user to coin a phrase I use on patrol, “what’s said here, stays here”
I voted no, as some have said they show the viewpoint from the “other side of the fence” and it seems that a couple of them have got folks backs up.
But then in all walks of life you will get people who will annoy. I agree that the Moderators should take a firmer line on flame wars (After friendly warnings) but bear in mind this cuts both ways so everyone take it easy.
Cheers
Tony
Limestone Cowboy:
Highway Man - don’t stop posting, in all the posts I’ve read of yours I find that you are quite supportive of our everyday issues and you put forward a good case at times from what the other sides views are. However I do feel that your posting of Dogthehunter’s picture on the police forum was out of order for whatever reason and I would like to think that if any future issues are raised you would think against doing it.
I appreciate where you’re coming from, in my naivety, I posted the link trying to get a definitive answer, but with hindsight, it was the wrong thing to do and there will be no repetition from this user to coin a phrase I use on patrol, “what’s said here, stays here”
Nice reply fella, and I’m sure that you can see the majority are taking exception to what could be said are the bad apples of the bunch, not all.
I voted no. I gave up reading the relevant thread because of the way it was going. I’ve done the same with threads including only truck drivers. If you don’t like spmeones attitude don’t read their posts.
I think to get a better understanding of their job,we need to know how they operate.
I’m chairman of a local ham radio group,and we have been trying for some time to arrange a visit to the local control centre,just off j39 on the M1,with not a lot of success.It’s as though there are things in there that we shouldn’t be looking at,but that’s not why we want to go,we just want to see what it’s all about.
If the people that run it were more amenable,then perhaps others wouldn’t have a pop,if they knew what it was all about.
For what it’s worth,I haven’t read the aforementioned posts that people have been on about,because I can’t be arsed.
As for banning them,well I don’t see how you could as they can come back under a variety of guises.Isn’t that right Rob?
xjrv8:
Why do you want them banned, is it because you didn’t like their replies and you want your own way with what is said?
I thought the forum was for discussions?
From some of what I have read maybe it’s the drivers that should be banned, they have been abusive too?
So in a nutshell if you don’t like the replies you solve this by banning them. What Country are you living in?
I better watch out you may want me banned. or should we “kiss and make up” as you said in a previous post?
bubsy06:
I voted yes, but only two of them should be banned.
YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE
so we should ban them two i must admit i keep banging on about yhe highway man being the best in a bad bunch put vote like this because the two in question will cry personal attack bob parr big jas are jokes
bubsy06:
I voted yes, but only two of them should be banned.
YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE
Still wouldn’t solve the problem though
Anyone can browse most of the forums without registering. Therefore anyone who has aspirations of being lord and master over others can cry foul and run off and report any alleged wrong doings to the authorities should they so wish.
Maybe if people want to publish diaries there should be a special member only forum set up where they can post, and then if people who have any aforementioned aspirations ever be banned they could be left in peace for the interest of the vast membership on here that do appreciate the time, effort and dedication involved in putting such a thing on here.
Given the ‘black and white’ nature of the poll choices on offer, I voted “no,” simply because there are good and bad in any group of people chosen on the basis of their profession/gender/skin colour/ marital status etc etc.
IMHO it would be unwise to ban a group of people, where the basis for the ban is their profession.
IMHO, certain HATOs and certain truck drivers appear to have broken this site’s rules on personal attacks.
For that reason, any disciplinary sanctions, including possible bans, ought to be entirely within the published site rules and directed towards any individual who broke those rules regardless of their profession.
IMHO, the use of anything other than a fair procedure and can only lead to damage being caused to this site’s reputation, which, if left untreated, might be totally counter-productive for all concerned.
Since we’re ALL on a learning curve, and with hindsight, perhaps we can all learn something from this episode.
What you have to remember about some people is that they are so powerless in their own lives they have to pick on others they see as an easy target. I’ve worked with drivers who were the loudest most self righteous driver, they were perfect and would leap at any mistake made by others to prove how great they were.
That was until you met them with their wives, then they were the most meek mild bloke in the World.
Just laugh at the comments, because I bet when they get to work and start talking about what we’ve written, everybody else suddenly to finds something better to do. And remember we can ignore the post, I feel really sorry for the poor bugger who ends up on patrol with them.
I voted no also, we can’t tar them all with the same brush as what has been said before some are ex-truckers and nearly all join in with threads providing positive responses.
I haven’t followed that thread all the way through but from the few times I did read it was surprised that the moderators/adim had not stepped in sooner to lock the thread as it became obvious things had turned personal.
Yes I totally understand that what they do is purely voluntary and they may all lead very busy lives and I take my hat off to them if that’s the case as I would certainly struggle to run a web site after coming home from work but as I have only been a member for a short while compared to others I don’t know what procedure the mod/adim follow for ‘enough’s enough’.
Just to satisfy my own curiosity how does the law stand on things like possible incriminating photos posted on a web site by you and the cops catch wind of these photos as from what I understand some have via another web site??
I’ve read of people having the book thrown at them for videos posted on you tube but I’m assuming pictures are not as clear cut as that■■?
Slightly OT but the odd trucker on here has admitted in the past running bent etc and they dont think for a minute that VOSA could be reading that post - it’s only because those members probably dont openly say who they work for/are - could you imagine the potential abuse they would get from some people for being VOSA even though they are just doing their job keeping the roads safe like HATO’s do but from a different angle - it would make me upset though if i was trying to do my job and you see certain pics on the net…this is all IMHO
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) ways of Big Jase and Bob Parr where they post chapter and verse about how much of a “dangerous and inconsiderate” driver you are if you so much as take one hand off the wheel to pick your nose/arse/whatever. But what angers me even more is that they’re making “dossiers” of all our wrong-doings and posting it all over the web to drag our names and this site’s reputation into the gutter and that just simply is not on. 
, as I cannot add anything to what he has said.
to coin a phrase I use on patrol, “what’s said here, stays here” 
Oh dear, that includes me on both counts. 
