I have never known any other profession to have so many ex SAS members.
Known
the maoster:
robroy:
(Although tbf I did serve in the SAS and I did storm the embassy.
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Yeah I remember you from that day, you were the berk who tripped over the lead from your beard trimmer if I remember correctly?
Class.
wrighty1:
Got to love the fact that some of you are comparing lorry drivers to elite athletes [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]Sent from my SM-G960F using Tapatalk
You not suggesting most of us are very unfit are you
discoman:
edd1974:
Who’s responsible for handballing stuff off truck?
We have new manager/owner only small firm 5 trucks.Went to a drop Friday 5 pallets pallets were to heavy to move with pump.truck over 1t per pallet.
Rang office said deliver has.no forklift to heavy to move have be broken down hanballed off.Reply got was that’s fine if they handball take it off your truck…
your not covered or insured to do it if.you fall have an accident your not covered and it’s on. Your head if you injury yourself.For years if anythings had be hanballed I’ve always been on truck opened pallets passed stuff down. To the customer.
As way I see it it my truck I’m.trained to be on the back Jo public isn’t
What would happen if they injured themselves?
So who’s right here? I think it’s me.
And anyway in the end I did help as far as office are.concerend I just sat there feet up watching.Your told by your employer to not he’ll your not insured and you still help, so the next driver who goes there and says no, gets the well the other driver at your place does it… you prove all drivers ruin it for others.
I did a little stint on containers last year and went to a delivery of empty drink cans to a place in Wakefield. I was the second load of 43 over a few days ( 1st order from a foreign supplier using containers) with the first load sat on one of the other bays. Goes into office to be told to unload myself told him not happening and calls the boss to be told not to get in the back. more and more trucks came all refused then a young driver turned up was told the situation before he goes in the office. He then proceeds to pull around the other drivers back on the bay and unloads himself there was already 3 there from his firm already been told not to do that all doing there nut at him . After a few hours they relented and unloaded the containers with out us getting in the back. Bumped into the first driver a week or so later he said all the drivers complained about the Young driver unloading himself and not backing them up and got him sacked hopefully he learned a lesson
chester1:
discoman:
edd1974:
Who’s responsible for handballing stuff off truck?
We have new manager/owner only small firm 5 trucks.Went to a drop Friday 5 pallets pallets were to heavy to move with pump.truck over 1t per pallet.
Rang office said deliver has.no forklift to heavy to move have be broken down hanballed off.Reply got was that’s fine if they handball take it off your truck…
your not covered or insured to do it if.you fall have an accident your not covered and it’s on. Your head if you injury yourself.For years if anythings had be hanballed I’ve always been on truck opened pallets passed stuff down. To the customer.
As way I see it it my truck I’m.trained to be on the back Jo public isn’t
What would happen if they injured themselves?
So who’s right here? I think it’s me.
And anyway in the end I did help as far as office are.concerend I just sat there feet up watching.Your told by your employer to not he’ll your not insured and you still help, so the next driver who goes there and says no, gets the well the other driver at your place does it… you prove all drivers ruin it for others.
I did a little stint on containers last year and went to a delivery of empty drink cans to a place in Wakefield. I was the second load of 43 over a few days ( 1st order from a foreign supplier using containers) with the first load sat on one of the other bays. Goes into office to be told to unload myself told him not happening and calls the boss to be told not to get in the back. more and more trucks came all refused then a young driver turned up was told the situation before he goes in the office. He then proceeds to pull around the other drivers back on the bay and unloads himself there was already 3 there from his firm already been told not to do that all doing there nut at him . After a few hours they relented and unloaded the containers with out us getting in the back. Bumped into the first driver a week or so later he said all the drivers complained about the Young driver unloading himself and not backing them up and got him sacked hopefully he learned a lesson
Thats horrible.
He’s a young driver and he unloaded himself what is the big deal?
The biggest problem with drivers is a lot of them think they are special.
Yea, I can see the issue wihth handballing. But the guy was just taking palleted empty cans off of the back…
I really dont see why drivers should not be expected to unload palleted goods off a trailer.
You make it sound like the young driver did not back the others up. What actually happened was 3 petty old fudgers got a young driver the sack. Something that is not that uncommon in the industry. Backstabbing, grassing people up… It’s completely rife in the business.
adam277:
chester1:
discoman:
edd1974:
Who’s responsible for handballing stuff off truck?
We have new manager/owner only small firm 5 trucks.Went to a drop Friday 5 pallets pallets were to heavy to move with pump.truck over 1t per pallet.
Rang office said deliver has.no forklift to heavy to move have be broken down hanballed off.Reply got was that’s fine if they handball take it off your truck…
your not covered or insured to do it if.you fall have an accident your not covered and it’s on. Your head if you injury yourself.For years if anythings had be hanballed I’ve always been on truck opened pallets passed stuff down. To the customer.
As way I see it it my truck I’m.trained to be on the back Jo public isn’t
What would happen if they injured themselves?
So who’s right here? I think it’s me.
And anyway in the end I did help as far as office are.concerend I just sat there feet up watching.Your told by your employer to not he’ll your not insured and you still help, so the next driver who goes there and says no, gets the well the other driver at your place does it… you prove all drivers ruin it for others.
I did a little stint on containers last year and went to a delivery of empty drink cans to a place in Wakefield. I was the second load of 43 over a few days ( 1st order from a foreign supplier using containers) with the first load sat on one of the other bays. Goes into office to be told to unload myself told him not happening and calls the boss to be told not to get in the back. more and more trucks came all refused then a young driver turned up was told the situation before he goes in the office. He then proceeds to pull around the other drivers back on the bay and unloads himself there was already 3 there from his firm already been told not to do that all doing there nut at him . After a few hours they relented and unloaded the containers with out us getting in the back. Bumped into the first driver a week or so later he said all the drivers complained about the Young driver unloading himself and not backing them up and got him sacked hopefully he learned a lesson
Thats horrible.
He’s a young driver and he unloaded himself what is the big deal?
The biggest problem with drivers is a lot of them think they are special.
Yea, I can see the issue wihth handballing. But the guy was just taking palleted empty cans off of the back…I really dont see why drivers should not be expected to unload palleted goods off a trailer.
You make it sound like the young driver did not back the others up. What actually happened was 3 petty old fudgers got a young driver the sack. Something that is not that uncommon in the industry. Backstabbing, grassing people up… It’s completely rife in the business.
Now read the bit about the companies telling us not to unload the containers not only was he not backing his work mates he also went against companies and shipping lines policies. it’s all about insurance and who would have paid out IF he would have been injured.
chester1:
adam277:
chester1:
I did a little stint on containers last year and went to a delivery of empty drink cans to a place in Wakefield. I was the second load of 43 over a few days ( 1st order from a foreign supplier using containers) with the first load sat on one of the other bays. Goes into office to be told to unload myself told him not happening and calls the boss to be told not to get in the back. more and more trucks came all refused then a young driver turned up was told the situation before he goes in the office. He then proceeds to pull around the other drivers back on the bay and unloads himself there was already 3 there from his firm already been told not to do that all doing there nut at him . After a few hours they relented and unloaded the containers with out us getting in the back. Bumped into the first driver a week or so later he said all the drivers complained about the Young driver unloading himself and not backing them up and got him sacked hopefully he learned a lessonThats horrible.
He’s a young driver and he unloaded himself what is the big deal?
The biggest problem with drivers is a lot of them think they are special.
Yea, I can see the issue wihth handballing. But the guy was just taking palleted empty cans off of the back…I really dont see why drivers should not be expected to unload palleted goods off a trailer.
You make it sound like the young driver did not back the others up. What actually happened was 3 petty old fudgers got a young driver the sack. Something that is not that uncommon in the industry. Backstabbing, grassing people up… It’s completely rife in the business.Now read the bit about the companies telling us not to unload the containers not only was he not backing his work mates he also went against companies and shipping lines policies. it’s all about insurance and who would have paid out IF he would have been injured.
Which part of causation won’t generally be possible to prove in the event of spinal compression injuries, so no insurance payout, don’t they understand.
Strange Adam said that I should have refused such an instruction to break my back elsewhere. 
What actually happened is that three very sensible drivers didn’t want a young idiot setting any precedents which could inevitably wreck the health and careers of others.I’d have enthusiastically made that 4 calling for the zb to be sacked with extreme prejudice on H and S grounds. 
adam277:
chester1:
discoman:
edd1974:
Who’s responsible for handballing stuff off truck?
We have new manager/owner only small firm 5 trucks.Went to a drop Friday 5 pallets pallets were to heavy to move with pump.truck over 1t per pallet.
Rang office said deliver has.no forklift to heavy to move have be broken down hanballed off.Reply got was that’s fine if they handball take it off your truck…
your not covered or insured to do it if.you fall have an accident your not covered and it’s on. Your head if you injury yourself.For years if anythings had be hanballed I’ve always been on truck opened pallets passed stuff down. To the customer.
As way I see it it my truck I’m.trained to be on the back Jo public isn’t
What would happen if they injured themselves?
So who’s right here? I think it’s me.
And anyway in the end I did help as far as office are.concerend I just sat there feet up watching.Your told by your employer to not he’ll your not insured and you still help, so the next driver who goes there and says no, gets the well the other driver at your place does it… you prove all drivers ruin it for others.
I did a little stint on containers last year and went to a delivery of empty drink cans to a place in Wakefield. I was the second load of 43 over a few days ( 1st order from a foreign supplier using containers) with the first load sat on one of the other bays. Goes into office to be told to unload myself told him not happening and calls the boss to be told not to get in the back. more and more trucks came all refused then a young driver turned up was told the situation before he goes in the office. He then proceeds to pull around the other drivers back on the bay and unloads himself there was already 3 there from his firm already been told not to do that all doing there nut at him . After a few hours they relented and unloaded the containers with out us getting in the back. Bumped into the first driver a week or so later he said all the drivers complained about the Young driver unloading himself and not backing them up and got him sacked hopefully he learned a lesson
Thats horrible.
He’s a young driver and he unloaded himself what is the big deal?
The biggest problem with drivers is a lot of them think they are special.
Yea, I can see the issue wihth handballing. But the guy was just taking palleted empty cans off of the back…I really dont see why drivers should not be expected to unload palleted goods off a trailer.
You make it sound like the young driver did not back the others up. What actually happened was 3 petty old fudgers got a young driver the sack. Something that is not that uncommon in the industry. Backstabbing, grassing people up… It’s completely rife in the business.
It’s the age old problem in the haulage industry.
They give you a job to do, and the terms how to do it, how long it should take etc etc, decent facilities to tip in this case.
So everybody is happy with it,.and ther rate of pay for it justifies what and how you are doing it…spot on.
Then some ■■■■ hero wanting to make a name for himself (usually beginning with the letter ‘C’) or who’s only desire in life is to be the boss’s best mate, rocks up and totally ■■■■ s it up for everybody else.
So then the boss sees this and says,.well if he can manage it, everybody else can.
So then everybody suffers because what was once a god job is now a ball ache…and all for the same money,.and when you consider money is the only reason we do it, and the omparitively paltry rate that we are on, it makes the job EVEN more crap.
Then guys like you can’t see what is wrong with that. …again, another reason why the job has turned to ■■■■ over the years.
I can see what is wrong with what the young guy is doing. Does he deserve the sack over it? No.
I’ve been the young driver before. Being told how things are run by other drivers. I.e they take the complete ■■■■ then expect you to do the same so they don’t look bad.
Drivers are their own worst enemy.
Amount of trunk runs we had at my old place when agency drivers could do th same run over an hour quicker than full timers was unreal. An hour quicker on a 6 hour return run.
I don’t expect people to break their backs for the job. Just don’t take the ■■■■.
Unloading a trailer of pallets of empty cans of coke is not unreasonable.
Unloading a full trailer of parcels for ups is unreasonable carryfast. That’s the difference.
adam277:
I can see what is wrong with what the young guy is doing. Does he deserve the sack over it? No.
I’ve been the young driver before. Being told how things are run by other drivers. I.e they take the complete ■■■■ then expect you to do the same so they don’t look bad.Drivers are their own worst enemy.
Amount of trunk runs we had at my old place when agency drivers could do th same run over an hour quicker than full timers was unreal. An hour quicker on a 6 hour return run.I don’t expect people to break their backs for the job. Just don’t take the ■■■■.
Unloading a trailer of pallets of empty cans of coke is not unreasonable.
Unloading a full trailer of parcels for ups is unreasonable carryfast. That’s the difference.
When I was a young driver I learned a lot off experienced guys,.I adopted the ‘When in Rome’ rule,.and ‘don’t rock the boat’,.that way they helped me and backed me up if things went a bit iffy, or if I ■■■■ ed up.
As for agency drivers , or any other drivers, ■■■■ ing up the job for others , maybe the time taken was factored into the rate, so consequently the job allowed time for unforseens,.and so it could be done at a professional and safe pace,.so both the driver and the operator were happy.
So after Mr Agency shaves an hour off it, and ■■■■■ off to the next one, the job then becomes more often than not a tear arse rat race for everybody else, and so as to justify himself he accuses the regular driver (s) of …‘Hanging the job out’ linstead of the more likely interpretation of it I have just stated.
Yep you’re dead right drivers ARE their own worst enemies…especially in these type cases.
As for the young lad, maybe he didn’t deserve the sack, but at least he learned a harsh lesson.
adam277:
I can see what is wrong with what the young guy is doing. Does he deserve the sack over it? No.
I’ve been the young driver before. Being told how things are run by other drivers. I.e they take the complete ■■■■ then expect you to do the same so they don’t look bad.Drivers are their own worst enemy.
Amount of trunk runs we had at my old place when agency drivers could do th same run over an hour quicker than full timers was unreal. An hour quicker on a 6 hour return run.I don’t expect people to break their backs for the job. Just don’t take the ■■■■.
Unloading a trailer of pallets of empty cans of coke is not unreasonable.
Unloading a full trailer of parcels for ups is unreasonable carryfast. That’s the difference.
I get the impression from your other posts that you are a still a relatively young driver. Most young drivers are naive and eager to impress and if they earn themselves brownie points with the gaffer along the way, even better. However, it’s only when you get older and more cynical that you realise the gaffer doesn’t give a [zb]. All those words of appreciation are just empty sound bites as you find yourself stuck on the M25 at 6pm on a Friday going nowhere, 2 hours from home after giving them 2 weeks notice with regular reminders that you needed to be finished for 2pm because of personal arrangements. It’s a one-way street and they’ll keep using and abusing you week after week as long as you let them.
It’s an unwritten rule that you should never demonstrate to your gaffer how you can do more work in the day UNLESS you know for sure that an increase in renumeration would be forthcoming as a direct result (and even then it’s often still a bad idea). An example of this could be self-unloading a trailer whereby you’re in and out of the customer premises in 30 mins instead of 3 hours when they do it themselves, or rushing around everywhere on the limiter and taking tacho rests breaks whilst in the back of the trailer with a pallet truck, both meaning that you’ll be back in the yard by 2pm and promptly given the delivery notes for a second trailer and then reload details for a collection on the way back. The end result is that you are doing 33% more work for the same money as the old boys who start at the same time and just plod along in a relaxed but timely manner, meaning that by the time they’ve tipped their tin cans, buttoned up their trailer, been for a ■■■■, collected their notes and poured themselves another brew, there’s only enough time left to drive back to base, fuel up and go home - which they do at the same time as you, after you’ve completed your second job.
Once you’ve demonstrated that the job can be done in 2/3s of the time and an extra load can easily be done, you’ve set the precedent and all the other drivers get a load of hassle, aggro and interrogation wanting to know why it’s taken you so long when Adam was back for 2 pm and did another delivery and collection. Unsurprisingly you’re going to get a frosty response from the other drivers and ‘managed out’ ASAP as you’ve just single-handedly changed their steady-away fair-day’s-work-for-a-fair-day’s-pay job into one where they’re expected to do 33% more work for the same money.
It’s just how it is. Every company has them. By being “helpful” you’re actually being the exact opposite and [zb]ing it up for everyone. Don’t be that guy.
The thing with containers is it’s been a case the driver doesn’t get in the back** as long as i’ve been driving, everyone accepts that.
**course if someone waves a bunch of readies under your nose for an hours work that’s a different kettle of fish, just keep bloody quiet about it.
I had a nice little number like that at one time, others who went to this roadside tip refused to help out and sat in the cab (tip out the back of a curtainsider with tailift, i just helped the other lad to barrow the stuff to the lift and operate the buttons), i had a feeling this was a possible bung so took a gamble and helped the lads, took about 45 mins on average, first thing to appear every time was a bloody great mug of latte from the cafe next door, once job finished £20 appeared in me sweaty mitt.
They asked for me after that cos job got done quicker, did that job nearly every week for several months, sometimes it was a £25 bung.
Another time, same lads different site, they had use of a borrowed forklift but no bugger could drive it, asked me if i’d unload with the forks straight into their storage containers while they stacked the gear inside, no trouble mate, kerching.
You’ve got to suss jobs out Adam and when you get a nice little earner keep schtum.
Juddian:
The thing with containers is it’s been a case the driver doesn’t get in the back** as long as i’ve been driving, everyone accepts that.**course if someone waves a bunch of readies under your nose for an hours work that’s a different kettle of fish, just keep bloody quiet about it.
I had a nice little number like that at one time, others who went to this roadside tip refused to help out and sat in the cab (tip out the back of a curtainsider with tailift, i just helped the other lad to barrow the stuff to the lift and operate the buttons), i had a feeling this was a possible bung so took a gamble and helped the lads, took about 45 mins on average, first thing to appear every time was a bloody great mug of latte from the cafe next door, once job finished £20 appeared in me sweaty mitt.
They asked for me after that cos job got done quicker, did that job nearly every week for several months, sometimes it was a £25 bung.
Another time, same lads different site, they had use of a borrowed forklift but no bugger could drive it, asked me if i’d unload with the forks straight into their storage containers while they stacked the gear inside, no trouble mate, kerching.You’ve got to suss jobs out Adam and when you get a nice little earner keep schtum.
A lot goes back to union agreements in the 70’s doesn’t it?
As containers took over from traditional cargo Dockers were about to loosework, so they were employed in unstuffing of boxes. All being in the same T&GWU drivers were asked not to take Dockers jobs by doing such work.
At least that’s how I remember it. Open to correction.
Franglais:
Juddian:
The thing with containers is it’s been a case the driver doesn’t get in the back** as long as i’ve been driving, everyone accepts that.**course if someone waves a bunch of readies under your nose for an hours work that’s a different kettle of fish, just keep bloody quiet about it.
I had a nice little number like that at one time, others who went to this roadside tip refused to help out and sat in the cab (tip out the back of a curtainsider with tailift, i just helped the other lad to barrow the stuff to the lift and operate the buttons), i had a feeling this was a possible bung so took a gamble and helped the lads, took about 45 mins on average, first thing to appear every time was a bloody great mug of latte from the cafe next door, once job finished £20 appeared in me sweaty mitt.
They asked for me after that cos job got done quicker, did that job nearly every week for several months, sometimes it was a £25 bung.
Another time, same lads different site, they had use of a borrowed forklift but no bugger could drive it, asked me if i’d unload with the forks straight into their storage containers while they stacked the gear inside, no trouble mate, kerching.You’ve got to suss jobs out Adam and when you get a nice little earner keep schtum.
A lot goes back to union agreements in the 70’s doesn’t it?
As containers took over from traditional cargo Dockers were about to loosework, so they were employed in unstuffing of boxes. All being in the same T&GWU drivers were asked not to take Dockers jobs by doing such work.
At least that’s how I remember it. Open to correction.
I reckon you’ve just made that up
Maybe to spark off an Anti union/70s debate hoping it will lead up to the dreaded ‘B’ word . 
(that I ain’t allowed to mention anymore…, with me being a member of ‘The Taliban’ )
robroy:
Franglais:
Juddian:
The thing with containers is it’s been a case the driver doesn’t get in the back** as long as i’ve been driving, everyone accepts that.**course if someone waves a bunch of readies under your nose for an hours work that’s a different kettle of fish, just keep bloody quiet about it.
I had a nice little number like that at one time, others who went to this roadside tip refused to help out and sat in the cab (tip out the back of a curtainsider with tailift, i just helped the other lad to barrow the stuff to the lift and operate the buttons), i had a feeling this was a possible bung so took a gamble and helped the lads, took about 45 mins on average, first thing to appear every time was a bloody great mug of latte from the cafe next door, once job finished £20 appeared in me sweaty mitt.
They asked for me after that cos job got done quicker, did that job nearly every week for several months, sometimes it was a £25 bung.
Another time, same lads different site, they had use of a borrowed forklift but no bugger could drive it, asked me if i’d unload with the forks straight into their storage containers while they stacked the gear inside, no trouble mate, kerching.You’ve got to suss jobs out Adam and when you get a nice little earner keep schtum.
A lot goes back to union agreements in the 70’s doesn’t it?
As containers took over from traditional cargo Dockers were about to loosework, so they were employed in unstuffing of boxes. All being in the same T&GWU drivers were asked not to take Dockers jobs by doing such work.
At least that’s how I remember it. Open to correction.I reckon you’ve just made that up [emoji38]
Maybe to spark off an Anti union/70s debate hoping it will lead up to the dreaded ‘B’ word .
Not anti union at all !
Workers in the same union looking out for each other’s jobs.
However some saw it from another point of view, regarding demarcation etc…
.
(No B word involved either)
Back in the day,The container company for whom I worked for a while told hauliers that their drivers were NOT to assist in loading or unloading containers.Something to do with mate’s receipts or bills of lading I think.
Still didn’t prevent most drivers getting in the back and throwing 20 tons of bags around,finally emerging looking like flour graders.Remember them?
Franglais:
A lot goes back to union agreements in the 70’s doesn’t it?
As containers took over from traditional cargo Dockers were about to loosework, so they were employed in unstuffing of boxes. All being in the same T&GWU drivers were asked not to take Dockers jobs by doing such work.
At least that’s how I remember it. Open to correction.
How would ‘dockers’ be involved in tipping a container load at its destination or stuffing it at point of collection ?.
The dockers had already lost their jobs with containerisation.The clue is in the word ‘docks’.
They were never employed in transport yards or warehouse loading bays.
As always it goes back to local agreement between worker and employer mostly based on past precedent.Nothing more nothing less.
Which is why my former employers had to get a union agreement to get us handballing artics.Container drivers are nothing special in that regard it’s their or their union’s choice all based at local employer level.One group could be lumbered while another group could say no.
Having idiots negating that protection of past precedent obviously doesn’t help in that regard.That protection applying to non unionised firms or unionised ones.
Or as in our case worse terms in that regard agreed to on our behalf by the union over our heads in ‘strange’ circumstances.Including the laughable lie that putting drivers to work loading and unloading artics didn’t/wouldn’t affect warehouse labour recruitment demand levels, which is obviously an oxymoron.The end of my career by the age of 40 being the direct result.
The fact remains there is no industrial injuries cover whether employers’ liability, or state, for the vast majority of manual handling injuries because causation can’t possibly be proven, between natural causes v industrial.
‘Contributory’ as in my case is as good as it gets and that won’t qualify anyone for the state, or even a full employers’ liability insurance, industrial injury payment.
At least until Spinal injuries casused by the ■■■■■■■■■■ manual handling of loads is recognised as an industrial ‘disease’ and they ain’t going to do that for obvious reasons.
As it stands you would have to be immediately disabled in excrutiating pain and able to identify exactly which box/item did it at exactly which time and record it in the ‘accident’ book and even then the insurer/government could still claim ‘natural degenerative causes’ in their defence. 
> Franglais:
> Workers in the same union looking out for each other’s jobs.
Maybe the same Union Card, but the difference was the Dockers (Miners & Other similar C***ts) probably had their own name on the card, whereas the driver got his union card handed out at the start of his shift or with his paperwork.
I think there was on average 1 union card between 5 drivers, AIUI it varied from firm to firm
whisperingsmith:
> Franglais:
> Workers in the same union looking out for each other’s jobs.Maybe the same Union Card, but the difference was the Dockers (Miners & Other similar C***ts) probably had their own name on the card, whereas the driver got his union card handed out at the start of his shift or with his paperwork.
I think there was on average 1 union card between 5 drivers, AIUI it varied from firm to firm [emoji38] [emoji38] [emoji38]
Southampton was effectively a closed shop if you wanted to get into the port in the 70’s.
The Dockers had some agreement IIRC to have jobs in warehousing within a certain radius of the port. This meant their jobs moved from quayside to nearby, so were not immediately lost. The container ships turned around quicker, jobs were saved (for a while) local hauliers kept lots of work, pay agreements through a JIC, so all drivers were on decent basic, and all ticked along.
Certainly not an undercutting, free for all, not a place for small private enterprise to get a foothold.
Long time ago, and as I say my memories could be wrong.