whisperingsmith: > Franglais: > Workers in the same union looking out for each other’s jobs.
Maybe the same Union Card, but the difference was the Dockers (Miners & Other similar C***ts) probably had their own name on the card, whereas the driver got his union card handed out at the start of his shift or with his paperwork.
I think there was on average 1 union card between 5 drivers, AIUI it varied from firm to firm [emoji38] [emoji38] [emoji38]
Southampton was effectively a closed shop if you wanted to get into the port in the 70’s.
The Dockers had some agreement IIRC to have jobs in warehousing within a certain radius of the port. This meant their jobs moved from quayside to nearby, so were not immediately lost. The container ships turned around quicker, jobs were saved (for a while) local hauliers kept lots of work, pay agreements through a JIC, so all drivers were on decent basic, and all ticked along.
Certainly not an undercutting, free for all, not a place for small private enterprise to get a foothold.
Long time ago, and as I say my memories could be wrong.
Whatever the arguments in the day it had nothing to do with solidarity let alone protecting the spines of anyone from the results of manual handling of loads.
Whether divers or warehousemen/dockers.
Just as those back stabbing zb’s running the TGWU didn’t give a zb about mine or anyone else’s spine or job. archive.commercialmotor.com/arti … ----us-out
Also the idea of tipping/stuffing containers near the docks surely defeats the object of intermodal road/sea door to door operations.
chester1:
Bumped into the first driver a week or so later he said all the drivers complained about the Young driver unloading himself and not backing them up and got him sacked hopefully he learned a lesson
Yup, he’ll have learnt that a large number of drivers are total cts who’d sooner stab you in the back than help you. What’s the betting that instead of someone approaching the young driver and giving friendly advice when they saw what he was doing they just stood around and bitched to each other. Sorry but people like that are the scummiest a*holes in this industry and we’re cursed with too many
chester1:
Bumped into the first driver a week or so later he said all the drivers complained about the Young driver unloading himself and not backing them up and got him sacked hopefully he learned a lesson
Yup, he’ll have learnt that a large number of drivers are total cts who’d sooner stab you in the back than help you. What’s the betting that instead of someone approaching the young driver and giving friendly advice when they saw what he was doing they just stood around and bitched to each other. Sorry but people like that are the scummiest a*holes in this industry and we’re cursed with too many
Which part of ‘‘young driver was told the situation before he goes in the office’’ and other drivers ‘‘doing their nut at him’’ ( for obviously ignoring their warnings ) didn’t you undertand.
Some might say that younger drivers working for subbies, doing older long serving company drivers out of the best work and leaving them with all the zb work, you know like involving back breaking loading and unloading work at a hub every shift, while they take the long haul no loading/unloading cream jobs, are some of the scummiest a***holes in this industry.
chester1:
Bumped into the first driver a week or so later he said all the drivers complained about the Young driver unloading himself and not backing them up and got him sacked hopefully he learned a lesson
Yup, he’ll have learnt that a large number of drivers are total cts who’d sooner stab you in the back than help you. What’s the betting that instead of someone approaching the young driver and giving friendly advice when they saw what he was doing they just stood around and bitched to each other. Sorry but people like that are the scummiest a*holes in this industry and we’re cursed with too many
Got to agree that there are a lot of arse holes in the job that will neither help nor guide young drivers, thankfully to re.dress the balance, there are still many who are willing to help, me being one,.as I am sure you are also.
Thing is Luke you’re making an assumption, neither you nor me knows the true story in this case, but I can not imagine for one minute that a group of experienced seasoned drivers are just going to sit back and watch some kid ■■■■ up (open to opinion) a good job without some kind of communication between them first, from a …
'‘Look son, this job is meant to be done in this way’
To a …
‘‘Wtf do you think you’re doing man, you’re just making a ■■■■ of the rest of us’’
If he did not take any notice on either account, getting the boot maybe was a bit harsh, but it could have been avoided.
Carryfast:
Some might say that younger drivers working for subbies, doing older long serving company drivers out of the best work and leaving them with all the zb work, you know like involving back breaking loading and unloading work at a hub every shift, while they take the long haul no loading/unloading cream jobs, are some of the scummiest a***holes in this industry.
Just to clarify for the more sane members. Carryfast has a hard on that I did some runs for his beloved UPS when I worked for Virginia. In case anyone wondered about his sanity after decades on the sick you can see it here, well, lack of it. I’m seemingly worse than Hitler for doing half a dozen UPS trunks for getting on a decade ago. Actually Hitler a bad example with Carryfast, he probably grudgingly respects him, let’s try worse than Xi Jinping, his latest obsession. In his defence maybe he has not met that many in our industry, he didn’t actually work in it very long after all
chester1:
Bumped into the first driver a week or so later he said all the drivers complained about the Young driver unloading himself and not backing them up and got him sacked hopefully he learned a lesson
Yup, he’ll have learnt that a large number of drivers are total cts who’d sooner stab you in the back than help you. What’s the betting that instead of someone approaching the young driver and giving friendly advice when they saw what he was doing they just stood around and bitched to each other. Sorry but people like that are the scummiest a*holes in this industry and we’re cursed with too many
Got to agree that there are a lot of arse holes in the job that will neither help nor guide young drivers.
Thing is Luke you’re making an assumption, neither you nor me knows the true story in this case, but I can not imagine for one minute that a group of experienced seasoned drivers are just going to sit back and watch some kid [zb] up (open to opinion) a good job without some kind of communication between them first, from a …
'‘Look son, this job is meant to be done in this way’
To a …
‘‘Wtf do you think you’re doing man, you’re just making a [zb] of the rest of us’’
If he did not take any notice on either account, getting the boot maybe was a bit harsh, but it could have been avoided.
Maybe so. Ive just seen backstabbers too often I suppose. And we are all know it all’s and a bit ■■■■■■ when young, and some not mentioning any names C…f… always are and not one deserves the sack for that imo
robroy:
I can not imagine for one minute that a group of experienced seasoned drivers are just going to sit back and watch some kid [zb] up (open to opinion) a good job without some kind of communication between them first, from a …
'‘Look son, this job is meant to be done in this way’
I’m sure that ‘‘being told the situation’’ ‘before’ they ‘then’ ‘‘did their nut at him’’ answers your question.
Carryfast:
Some might say that younger drivers working for subbies, doing older long serving company drivers out of the best work and leaving them with all the zb work, you know like involving back breaking loading and unloading work at a hub every shift, while they take the long haul no loading/unloading cream jobs, are some of the scummiest a***holes in this industry.
Just to clarify for the more sane members. Carryfast has a hard on that I did some runs for his beloved UPS when I worked for Virginia. In case anyone wondered about his sanity after decades on the sick you can see it here, well, lack of it. I’m seemingly worse than Hitler for doing half a dozen UPS trunks for getting on a decade ago.
Leave it out.
You know that I’m referring to the ‘principle’,
of younger, less deserving drivers, working for subbies, being given the best jobs.While older, loyal, long serving, company drivers, get put on zb work involving hand balling artics at the resulting expense of their health.
Then you’ve got the nerve to blame the victim/s supposed own choices for that for being in the wrong place at the wrong time working for a bunch of zb’s.
A bit like your defence of the younger driver who tried to circumvent work place protective barriers, put in place to protect the health of the drivers that he was working with.Thereby removing them by precedent.
Again you want to blame the victims in that.
While as usual you think it’s all about you and your own sense of self importance.
edd1974:
Yes I’m full time been with said company 4 years or so small company 5 trucks
.I don’t have a problem handballing stuff.off never had an issue.
But since the owner sold.up and we have new owners.
Just taken aback buy his comments let delivery point get it off.
which varies from.warehouse units. Lock up units etc no RDC stuff.
He’s saying if has be handled the onus is on who ever is at an other end not on me.
Surley the law is my truck I’m trained if I do happen to fall then obviously.covered by works.insurance.
But if say customer gets on truck slips off . Then who does he claim from?
Guess it’s a mine field.
But my view is I should be doing it there not trained or insured to.
Unless I’m wrong?
Yes,your wrong,boss has told you what to do quite clearly,not a ‘minefield’ just follow clear concise instruction,don’t do it?,so how is this an issue ?
robroy:
I can not imagine for one minute that a group of experienced seasoned drivers are just going to sit back and watch some kid [zb] up (open to opinion) a good job without some kind of communication between them first, from a …
'‘Look son, this job is meant to be done in this way’
I’m sure that ‘‘being told the situation’’ ‘before’ they ‘then’ ‘‘did their nut at him’’ answers your question.
Ok I know, but read the specific question, or opinion from Luke, that I responded to with that answer.
Star down under.:
What was stopping you going to work for a subbie, CF?
Why would/should anyone want to throw away years of service seniority and the employment rights which go with it to start again from nothing with a different employer to do our own jobs within our own firm.
What was stopping the firm making it a condition that our own company drivers be given first refusal for the best work either working within and give the Feeder work to the subbies.Or possibly give us the choice of working for the subbies with, automatic transfer between the different employers, no questions asked if we chose to.Which I for one probably would have taken notwithstanding the above paragraph. ?.
The ‘subbies’ were obviously applying the same face fits lottery recruitment policy that infests the industry anyway.That put young bus drivers like Switch on our international line haul work while telling those like me that I didn’t have enough ‘experience’.
Also this was before I understood the finer points of the implications of us being labelled as ‘Feeder’ Drivers’ v ‘Line Haul’.
Technically our job title had been illegally down graded by a take over and again for some reason the union allowed it to go unchallenged.We were/should have been just as much ‘line haul’ ( trunk ) drivers as Barking’s drivers were after our take over.
As opposed to a split which kept their working conditions the same ( no loading/unloading ) while changing ours.Not that even that would have been so much of an issue before the change from pallet work to all loose loaded hand ball.No surprise that’s when they decided that they needed us on the dock obviously because too many of the existing warehouse staff rightly did a runner and anyone with any sense knows ( should know ) that a broken back caused by too much manual handling generally can’t be proven which means no employers liability insurance payout and no industrial injuries benefit.
That’s about as much as the TGWU were/are worth.
As for UPS thank you for your service and safe driving one week disciplinary for refusing to handball artic loads the next.While we’ll sub out the best work involving international trunking and no loading or unloading duties to those like Switch who’ll then say it’s all my own fault.
Star down under.:
What was stopping you going to work for a subbie, CF?
Why would/should anyone want to throw away years of service seniority and the employment rights which go with it to start again from nothing with a different employer to do our own jobs within our own firm.
Oh I dunno, maybe to follow their dreams and not end up with a life full of disappointment? Maybe that.
Carryfast:
those like Switch who’ll then say it’s all my own fault.
It is, that you’ve convinced yourself it isn’t is a fairly masterful feat of self delusion.
Carryfast:
While as usual you think it’s all about you and your own sense of self importance.
Nope, YOU made it about me with your idiotic and failed attempts to dismiss my opinions by claiming I didn’t have experience in whatever daft situation you’d concocted in your head that particular minute. You just came unstuck when I kept pointing out I have a fairly wide level of experience. I’m lots of things, a boggle eyed over opinionated ■■■, a driver who shouldn’t be trusted with a wheelbarrow, a loudmouth prat, a remainer…, but self important really isn’t one. In fact I pointed out over and over again that nothing I’ve done has been remarkable and in fact in terms of work life you are probably the odd one out not me and when it comes to self importance you leave me for dead constantly preaching nonsense on here and dismissing those with different, in your world incorrect, opinions
Carryfast:
That put young bus drivers like Switch on our international line haul work while telling those like me that I didn’t have enough ‘experience’.
By the time those UPS runs were in my life I’d had a truck driving career longer with way more KMs under my belt than you would ever have. I could be doing a hazardous load to Budapest followed by 13 drops in Italy followed by a UPS run. So yeah, I was probably better at the ‘international line haul work’ than a man who’d probably not driven a truck to Dover let alone across. I do love how you keep attempting to dismiss my experience! Ironic when you consider how little you actually have yourself. Thanks for saying ‘young’ though, lovely compliment ■■■
As I said previously it’s actually quite incredible how much you think your destiny is in others hands. You made your decisions, you did the work you chose to do at the time, stop ■■■■■■■■ and moaning about it because in hindsight you f**ked up.
Star down under.:
What was stopping you going to work for a subbie, CF?
Why would/should anyone want to throw away years of service seniority and the employment rights which go with it to start again from nothing with a different employer to do our own jobs within our own firm.
Oh I dunno, maybe to follow their dreams and not end up with a life full of disappointment? Maybe that.
Carryfast:
those like Switch who’ll then say it’s all my own fault.
It is, that you’ve convinced yourself it isn’t is a fairly masterful feat of self delusion.
No surprise you seem to have selectively left out the second paragraph.Now why would that be.Oh wait it doesn’t fit your narrative as usual made from the position if one person can make the leap from bus driver to UPS International Line Haul then I obviously could have done.Obviously not when 10 years + service and safe driving record with the firm by default didn’t cut it.
Star down under.:
What was stopping you going to work for a subbie, CF?
Why would/should anyone want to throw away years of service seniority and the employment rights which go with it to start again from nothing with a different employer to do our own jobs within our own firm.
What was stopping the firm making it a condition that our own company drivers be given first refusal for the best work either working within and give the Feeder work to the subbies.Or possibly give us the choice of working for the subbies with, automatic transfer between the different employers, no questions asked if we chose to.Which I for one probably would have taken notwithstanding the above paragraph. ?.
The ‘subbies’ were obviously applying the same face fits lottery recruitment policy that infests the industry anyway.That put young bus drivers like Switch on our international line haul work while telling those like me that I didn’t have enough ‘experience’.
Also this was before I understood the finer points of the implications of us being labelled as ‘Feeder’ Drivers’ v ‘Line Haul’.
Technically our job title had been illegally down graded by a take over and again for some reason the union allowed it to go unchallenged.We were/should have been just as much ‘line haul’ ( trunk ) drivers as Barking’s drivers were after our take over.
As opposed to a split which kept their working conditions the same ( no loading/unloading ) while changing ours.Not that even that would have been so much of an issue before the change from pallet work to all loose loaded hand ball.No surprise that’s when they decided that they needed us on the dock obviously because too many of the existing warehouse staff rightly did a runner and anyone with any sense knows ( should know ) that a broken back caused by too much manual handling generally can’t be proven which means no employers liability insurance payout and no industrial injuries benefit.
That’s about as much as the TGWU were/are worth.
As for UPS thank you for your service and safe driving one week disciplinary for refusing to handball artic loads the next.While we’ll sub out the best work involving international trunking and no loading or unloading duties to those like Switch who’ll then say it’s all my own fault.
You don’t seem to understand that the company exits for one purpose. That purpose being to make more money for its investors, not provide you with a truck driving playground.
You were not indentured to the company, you could have left to follow your dream, at any time of your choosing.
For whatever reason, lack of confidence, fear of the unfamiliar or some other excuse, you made the choice. You made the choice, own it.
Stop trying to blame every and anyone for your bad decisions.
Carryfast…I personally see your point, and see why (rightly or wrongly) you think you were treated unfairly .
However,.why is it such a surprise to you that employers basically do not give a ■■■■ about their employees?
Surely in your years in the job I would have thought at some time you would have picked up on that fact.
They are just that ‘employers’ not friends or family, they owe you nothing, to them you are there for a purpose, a number,.an arse in a driving seat, and in today’s job, that situation is in most cases,a bloody lot worse than it ever was,
What you want or prefer does not even come on to their radar.
You should have just accepted that and made the best of it for yourself (That is exactly what I personally do now) , or moved on to another employer.
Star down under.:
What was stopping you going to work for a subbie, CF?
Why would/should anyone want to throw away years of service seniority and the employment rights which go with it to start again from nothing with a different employer to do our own jobs within our own firm.
What was stopping the firm making it a condition that our own company drivers be given first refusal for the best work either working within and give the Feeder work to the subbies.Or possibly give us the choice of working for the subbies with, automatic transfer between the different employers, no questions asked if we chose to.Which I for one probably would have taken notwithstanding the above paragraph. ?.
The ‘subbies’ were obviously applying the same face fits lottery recruitment policy that infests the industry anyway.That put young bus drivers like Switch on our international line haul work while telling those like me that I didn’t have enough ‘experience’.
Also this was before I understood the finer points of the implications of us being labelled as ‘Feeder’ Drivers’ v ‘Line Haul’.
Technically our job title had been illegally down graded by a take over and again for some reason the union allowed it to go unchallenged.We were/should have been just as much ‘line haul’ ( trunk ) drivers as Barking’s drivers were after our take over.
As opposed to a split which kept their working conditions the same ( no loading/unloading ) while changing ours.Not that even that would have been so much of an issue before the change from pallet work to all loose loaded hand ball.No surprise that’s when they decided that they needed us on the dock obviously because too many of the existing warehouse staff rightly did a runner and anyone with any sense knows ( should know ) that a broken back caused by too much manual handling generally can’t be proven which means no employers liability insurance payout and no industrial injuries benefit.
That’s about as much as the TGWU were/are worth.
As for UPS thank you for your service and safe driving one week disciplinary for refusing to handball artic loads the next.While we’ll sub out the best work involving international trunking and no loading or unloading duties to those like Switch who’ll then say it’s all my own fault.
You don’t seem to understand that the company exits for one purpose. That purpose being to make more money for its investors, not provide you with a truck driving playground.
You were not indentured to the company, you could have left to follow your dream, at any time of your choosing.
For whatever reason, lack of confidence, fear of the unfamiliar or some other excuse, you made the choice. You made the choice, own it.
Stop trying to blame every and anyone for your bad decisions.
Exactly what ‘bad decision’ did I make.
I was employed under the protection of a no load/unloading duties required precedent which the union then gave away on my behalf without consultation.
At the point when the firm had made a change from all direct trunks and mostly pallet work to hub system all loose load handball.
How can anyone leave to follow any dream without a job offer in place to leave for.When no such offers were forthcoming usually on the bs basis that ‘international’ experience was required to get on international work.( Unless your face fits ) re young bus drivers like Switch.
The firm I worked for already operated my ‘dream’.However they decided to put me to work handballing artics within a hub system while giving away my ‘dream’ to those like Switch.Who were in the right place at the right time by being lucky enough to be working for an international operator.Obviously as so often applying a double standards recruitment policy regarding the bs ‘experience’ issue and an employer applying equally double standards regarding ‘loyalty’ towards and expected of long standing employees.
The end.
and not one deserves the sack for that imo