Franglais:
adam277:
I used to reguarly jump out of my cab.
In fact it is a habit that I have found hard to break.
Same with jumping off the back of the trailer.Yea, it’s stupid but I did do it often.
No I dont use my hands to support myself.Use to jump down like batman.
I`d be very impressed to see anyone jump up onto a trailer. (Not a low ride)
Don’t you carry one of these with you, makes it far easier [emoji51]
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Franglais:
adam277:
I used to reguarly jump out of my cab.
In fact it is a habit that I have found hard to break.
Same with jumping off the back of the trailer.Yea, it’s stupid but I did do it often.
No I dont use my hands to support myself.Use to jump down like batman.
I`d be very impressed to see anyone jump up onto a trailer. (Not a low ride)
Piece of ■■■■ if you’re young and/or fit with decent muscles in your legs and arms. Seen loads of people take a short run up then use their arm on the trailer floor as the ‘pivot’ to launch themselves into the back.
Mick Bracewell:
Franglais:
adam277:
I used to reguarly jump out of my cab.
In fact it is a habit that I have found hard to break.
Same with jumping off the back of the trailer.Yea, it’s stupid but I did do it often.
No I dont use my hands to support myself.Use to jump down like batman.
I`d be very impressed to see anyone jump up onto a trailer. (Not a low ride)
Piece of ■■■■ if you’re young and/or fit with decent muscles in your legs and arms. Seen loads of people take a short run up then use their arm on the trailer floor as the ‘pivot’ to launch themselves into the back.
Yep, often did that on a flat, then climbed on top of a high load with a 30x20 sheet on my shoulder. 
Not a hope in hell these days. 
robroy:
Yep, often did that on a flat, then climbed on top of a high load with a 30x20 sheet on my shoulder.
Not a hope in hell these days.
Quite right. In fact I shudder at the very thought of it. I can feel my teeth being smashed into the back on my mouth already, as they have an unscheduled meeting with the rear edge of trailer bed 
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robroy:
Mick Bracewell:
Franglais:
adam277:
I used to reguarly jump out of my cab.
In fact it is a habit that I have found hard to break.
Same with jumping off the back of the trailer.Yea, it’s stupid but I did do it often.
No I dont use my hands to support myself.Use to jump down like batman.
I`d be very impressed to see anyone jump up onto a trailer. (Not a low ride)
Piece of ■■■■ if you’re young and/or fit with decent muscles in your legs and arms. Seen loads of people take a short run up then use their arm on the trailer floor as the ‘pivot’ to launch themselves into the back.
Yep, often did that on a flat, then climbed on top of a high load with a 30x20 sheet on my shoulder.
Not a hope in hell these days.
Using an arm to help yourself up is one thing, but isn`t really jumping up is it?
No more than a pole vault is a high jump. 
edd1974:
Who’s responsible for handballing stuff off truck?
We have new manager/owner only small firm 5 trucks.Went to a drop Friday 5 pallets pallets were to heavy to move with pump.truck over 1t per pallet.
Rang office said deliver has.no forklift to heavy to move have be broken down hanballed off.Reply got was that’s fine if they handball take it off your truck…
your not covered or insured to do it if.you fall have an accident your not covered and it’s on. Your head if you injury yourself.For years if anythings had be hanballed I’ve always been on truck opened pallets passed stuff down. To the customer.
As way I see it it my truck I’m.trained to be on the back Jo public isn’t
What would happen if they injured themselves?
So who’s right here? I think it’s me.
And anyway in the end I did help as far as office are.concerend I just sat there feet up watching.
Your told by your employer to not he’ll your not insured and you still help, so the next driver who goes there and says no, gets the well the other driver at your place does it… you prove all drivers ruin it for others.
^ That’s the oldest line in the book. “Well, the other driver always helps/unloads it himself”. It’s on the same level as “yeah there’s loads of room for you turn round, we have bigger than you in here all the time!”.
Franglais:
robroy:
Mick Bracewell:
Franglais:
I`d be very impressed to see anyone jump up onto a trailer. (Not a low ride)Piece of ■■■■ if you’re young and/or fit with decent muscles in your legs and arms. Seen loads of people take a short run up then use their arm on the trailer floor as the ‘pivot’ to launch themselves into the back.
Yep, often did that on a flat, then climbed on top of a high load with a 30x20 sheet on my shoulder.
Not a hope in hell these days.Using an arm to help yourself up is one thing, but isn`t really jumping up is it?
No more than a pole vault is a high jump.
Hmmmm a bit pedantic on terminology there mate, or are you just in another argumentative mood?
If I put my arm on the side of the trailer and spring up from my feet, I’m ‘jumping’ as far as I’m concerned.
Nowadays it’s more ‘struugling’ or even ‘crawling’ …either way with little dignity.
Another (!?) Argumentative mood?
Did the other one end somewhere?
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msgyorkie:
wrighty1:
Got to love the fact that some of you are comparing lorry drivers to elite athletes [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]Sent from my SM-G960F using Tapatalk
Lol I wasnt comparing us with atheletes. Just replying to ETS post where he says if basketball jumpers can do it so can we lol.
At the end of the day regardless wether its sports or work it aint good for your body to jump around lolol
Well I wasn’t saying that really, what I meant was if athletes can do it hundreds of time a day every day for 1-2 decades and not end up in wheel chairs the lot of them, surely the occasional jump from the trailer can’t be the sole reason for your busted knees, especially if done properly (not like Batman-adam). If anyone jumps from the cab they’ll probably get a hernia before anything else.
discoman:
Your told by your employer to not he’ll your not insured and you still help, so the next driver who goes there and says no, gets the well the other driver at your place does it… you prove all drivers ruin it for others.
To be fair when even unions think they have the right to enforce manual handling agreements on reluctant workers what drivers refuse or don’t refuse is moot.
By definition no one is ‘insured’ for an injury which 9 times out of 10 won’t be the result of a sufficiently identifiable incident and/or a naturally occurring injury to prove causation.It probably won’t even show until after months if not years of doing it.Whether employers’ liability insurance or state industrial injuries benefit.To add insult to injury all you’ll get is shown the door by ESA test and told to find an office job.Oh and don’t bother asking for part time till work at the supermarket all of them apply a multi task warehouse/stacking work recruitment policy.
Juddian:
Whilst your enthusiasm and willingness to help is to be applauded (that isn’t a mickey take by the way), you were instructed not to assist in the handballing, if you’d gone arse over head off the wagon or otherwise hurt yourself, easily life changing, your compensatory claim has just become aeons harder.
There might be good reason the company take this unusual line, maybe they’ve had dealings with the customer before and know there’s some ■■■■ taking by said customer going on here.Yes back in the day we worked bloody hard lumping stuff around, handballing 21 tons of cwt+ bags on and off was a regular thing, lifting all sorts of crap onto and off wagon decks all roped and sheeted or chained on… decks which never had steps or ladders in those days so clambering up and jumping off from heights, hauling bloody great wagons around with no powersteering and no assistance on the clutch pedal, when in your 60s after a lifetime of that crap and you can barely sleep 6 hours a night (and that broken) because your joints give you hell after lying down for several hours, all that hard work comes back and bites you in the arse and you’ll wish you hadn’t done it.
Hear hear. Got the same tee shirt.
Jumping off trailers, even the typing pool have RSI
Mick Bracewell:
^ That’s the oldest line in the book. “Well, the other driver always helps/unloads it himself”. It’s on the same level as “yeah there’s loads of room for you turn round, we have bigger than you in here all the time!”.
In my case when you’re on this site you do as I say ( site foreman ).Now unload and then stack all that shuttering over there and when you’ve done that strike all that scaffolding and get it on your truck and take it away.Or vice versa.Agency agrees with him and says he’s right.
Followed by the offending union ‘agreement’ with UPS you will handball a 45ft trailer load off and on every shift and if your back breaks tough. 
The idea that jumping damages discs as much as heavy lifting is just an excuse used to justify manual handling to save costs.
If it was true every para would have been taken out with back injuries before they ever fired a shot.
Discs are designed to act as shock absorbers combined with the compliance of the knee joints and leg muscles/ligaments.No one jumps off anything with straight legs transmitting the shock to the spine on landing.
Carryfast:
The idea that jumping damages discs as much as heavy lifting is just an excuse used to justify manual handling to save costs.
If it was true every para would have been taken out with back injuries before they ever fired a shot.
Discs are designed to act as shock absorbers combined with the compliance of the knee joints and leg muscles/ligaments.No one jumps off anything with straight legs transmitting the shock to the spine on landing.
Dont Paras have a technique when landing to avoid injuries?
^^^^ yup, land on an enemy soldier with their bayonet first!
adam277:
Dont Paras have a technique when landing to avoid injuries?
Same as everyone else at first contact.Trained to instinctively use the upper and lower legs hinged at the knees as the shock absorber not the spine.
youtube.com/watch?v=oR1Vkkn6GnA 2.08 - 2.23
It doesn’t get that luxury when transmitting a load from the arms to the legs and feet.People don’t realise how pathetically weak that the discs actually are.They are just designed to allow the spine to flex and absorb any shock left after the legs have absorbed most of it.They aren’t designed to withstand heavy compressive loads let alone repeated ones.
Disc injury/degeneration is a very serious injury which is under estimated by too many people and makes a mockery of Health and Safety.Who are happy to pander to employers knowingly wrecking people’s spines to save cash in the form of either employing sufficient staff to reduce the work loads or preferably mechanical handling equipment.
adam277:
Carryfast:
The idea that jumping damages discs as much as heavy lifting is just an excuse used to justify manual handling to save costs.
If it was true every para would have been taken out with back injuries before they ever fired a shot.
Discs are designed to act as shock absorbers combined with the compliance of the knee joints and leg muscles/ligaments.No one jumps off anything with straight legs transmitting the shock to the spine on landing.Dont Paras have a technique when landing to avoid injuries?
I remember once handballing big foam blocks the height of the trailer by dragging them by hand, I was dragging one towards the back of the trailer and I ended up with a big lump of foam in each hand, and uncontrollably running backwards towards the back end of the trailer.
Through more pure luck than management I landed quite spectacularly on my feet at the back of the trailer on the warehouse floor, after doing a back somersault. …still with the lumps of foam in each hand.
The guy in the warehouse was well impressed,.and said bloody hell mate how tf did you manage that?
I looked at him did the Del boy forward shoulder move, and said, ‘Aye the Para training came in handy there bud’’
The closest I’ve come to the Parachute Regt is watching the old Alan Ladd movie ‘The Red Berets’
(To any ex squaddies, I did eventually tel the lad I was joking,…I don’t want any stolen valour accusations chucked at me. 
(Although tbf I did serve in the SAS and I did storm the embassy. 
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