Green polices "might hurt the poor"

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Anyone noticed how the tories keep claiming green policies will “hurt the poor”? Since when did tories give a flying one about “the poor”? The trouble is you have rich people deciding what green policies to introduce. Instead of saying “All flights will have to rise in price” why not have a sliding scale so your first flight is normal price but your 20th flight is a lot more expensive? Then it targets the 10% of rich people who cause 80% of carbon emissions from flying whenever they fancy it. Put a 10 grand surcharge on all private jet flights.

There’s a lot of way of doing things that wouldn’t “hurt the poor” at all - the trouble is it will cost rich people a bit more, that’s what the tories are panicking about.

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i think Ritchie Sunak is doing more flying than the rest of us put together :astonished:

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They’re looking into the unfair tax breaks aviation gets. transportenvironment.org/di … ion-taxes/

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Its all eyewash, there’s an election approaching (assuming the planned coming pandemic doesn’t give them excuses for a postal election scam) and they’re making the right noises to sway the easily duped turkeys to vote for Christmas once again.

There’s nothing conservative about the tory party in its present form, getting one of their more blue collar mps to issue a four letter word re ferried in invaders and barges is similar eyewash, don’t ever judge a politician by their words but by their action shall they be known.

The same applies to the fake red team of the uniparty, equally pointless and by their actions show they detest the genuine working class of the country just as much as the fake blues.

Nothing will change until people vote the uniparty out, yes i know it won’t happen because the electorate can’t help doing as they are told, voting the same way as they’ve always done, each time expecting a different result.
What was it someone said about doing the same thing repeatedly yet expecting a different result?

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Juddian:
Its all eyewash, there’s an election approaching (assuming the planned coming pandemic doesn’t give them excuses for a postal election scam) and they’re making the right noises to sway the easily duped turkeys to vote for Christmas once again.

There’s nothing conservative about the tory party in its present form, getting one of their more blue collar mps to issue a four letter word re ferried in invaders and barges is similar eyewash, don’t ever judge a politician by their words but by their action shall they be known.

The same applies to the fake red team of the uniparty, equally pointless and by their actions show they detest the genuine working class of the country just as much as the fake blues.

Nothing will change until people vote the uniparty out, yes i know it won’t happen because the electorate can’t help doing as they are told, voting the same way as they’ve always done, each time expecting a different result.
What was it someone said about doing the same thing repeatedly yet expecting a different result?

Spot on.

People will continue baa-ing and baa-ing and not question. Covid taught us that, if we didn’t know already. I know folk who would have shoved a broom handle up their arse and walked around bleating like an injured sheep if the government had told them it was for their own good. Lots of folk just don’t question it.

If the UK sank without trace tomorrow it would make less than a 2% difference to the whole climate issue wordwide. The issues aren’t particularly in the UK. They are in Russia, China and South America… Until they all get onboard 100% (good luck[emoji1787][emoji2357]) absolutely nothing will change.

Consumers consume. Nothing will change that. Which is why we are being fed a whole new (very expensive) raft of equipment and appliances etc. “For our own good”. No government misses out on a chance to make money out of any opportunity.

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South america? In what way?

I think the usa, china and india are pumping the carbon

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JeffA:
Anyone noticed how the tories keep claiming green policies will “hurt the poor”? Since when did tories give a flying one about “the poor”? The trouble is you have rich people deciding what green policies to introduce. Instead of saying “All flights will have to rise in price” why not have a sliding scale so your first flight is normal price but your 20th flight is a lot more expensive? Then it targets the 10% of rich people who cause 80% of carbon emissions from flying whenever they fancy it. Put a 10 grand surcharge on all private jet flights.

There’s a lot of way of doing things that wouldn’t “hurt the poor” at all - the trouble is it will cost rich people a bit more, that’s what the tories are panicking about.

Oh look, its JeffA with yet another “I hate rich people” thread.

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It will you know, the biggest rollback of living standards for working class people in a generation. You only have to look at what that sick leftie Mayor of London is doing with his ULEZ extension, if you can afford a very expensive Tesla, Audi, Porsche EV you pay nothing, working class plebs running non compliant older vehicles pay. ■■■■■■■ great for equality that.

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bigstraight6:
It will you know, the biggest rollback of living standards for working class people in a generation. You only have to look at what that sick leftie Mayor of London is doing with his ULEZ extension, if you can afford a very expensive Tesla, Audi, Porsche EV you pay nothing, working class plebs running non compliant older vehicles pay. [zb] great for equality that.

Nah, I’ve a 20 year old car I paid £500 for and even that would pass ULEZ. Check the vehicle checker. It seems like the only cars ULEZ will affect are vintage car owners. If you paid more than £60 for a car then you’re fine.

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lancpudn:
They’re looking into the unfair tax breaks aviation gets. transportenvironment.org/di … ion-taxes/

The first thing you’d think would be locked down over Covid was avation.
Ditto for “Carbon Neutral Targets” - but I don’t see any new fancy aircraft, and have not in my lifetime.
Civil Aviation has changed even less than Rocketry, indeed.

What more proof do people need that the entire thing is a sham in an attempt to control the weak-minded wicked into attacking the henpecked masses into submission repeat the lie often enough, and people will at least stop challenging it, as punishments would be forthcoming from even arguing against such tosh.

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We emit less than two percent of the worlds co2 output.

Yet imbeciles in this country (or human fly tipping zone as I like to call it) fall over themselves to spend thousands on heat pumps and electric cars etc and others glue themselves to the road to save the planet. Truly pointless and sad.

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JeffA:

bigstraight6:
It will you know, the biggest rollback of living standards for working class people in a generation. You only have to look at what that sick leftie Mayor of London is doing with his ULEZ extension, if you can afford a very expensive Tesla, Audi, Porsche EV you pay nothing, working class plebs running non compliant older vehicles pay. [zb] great for equality that.

Nah, I’ve a 20 year old car I paid £500 for and even that would pass ULEZ. Check the vehicle checker. It seems like the only cars ULEZ will affect are vintage car owners. If you paid more than £60 for a car then you’re fine.

You’ll pay a lot more than £60 for a car that’s in bits these days. Scrappage for old bangers now exceeds £300 for starters…

If you offered me your £60 non-running old banger for £90 - I’d arrange for a pickup vehicle to take it away to the breakers yard without me even taking delivery of it, indeed… :grimacing:

A trade known among traders as “Arbitrage”. You have an agreed sale price for something you’ve not bought yet, and then agree a lower price to buy the goods to then immediately fill the outgoing sale order… A practice done often by hedge funds “going short” which depresses the price meanwhile, thereby closing the arbitrage channel (“The Profit Margin”) in the process for other-■■■-late traders.

Furloughed Oil workers in the US during the lockdown - took on a pallet of 4 barrels each which they’d purchased on the futures market in 2020 for around $-30 per barrel (I.e. got paid $120 to take four barrels away from the oil terminal in Cushing, Oklahoma) came around with their pickup to take away that single pallet of barrels, then stored it for a month (in their own back yards, most likely) before selling it back onto the open market for prices of +$20 per barrel, bringing in another $80 in much needed household subsidy in the process - not to mention “giving the Oilmen something to do with their time” of course.

Everyone is a winner except those who thought stockpiling Oil barrels @ prices above $30 per barrel was a good idea…

The Young Muslim Drivers in their Audis, BMWs, etc that insist on running a car despite the headwinds - will be the main payers of this tax, I would have thought… A lot of these youngsters are driving rather OLD (20 years old plus) versions of the German cars which I never understood why they have such popularity among the young…

As for “Classic Cars” - when did you ever get one of them for <£60 or one of them that doesn’t smoke like f— and seize when you put E10 in it?

As a “Modified” vehicle come tax time - you can presumably expect to pay a fortune to insure a classic car, on the grounds that you’ve put a catalitic converter on it, or paralitic one, bearing in mind E10 is 10% ethanol these days… :stuck_out_tongue:

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Juddian:
Its all eyewash, there’s an election approaching (assuming the planned coming pandemic doesn’t give them excuses for a postal election scam) and they’re making the right noises to sway the easily duped turkeys to vote for Christmas once again.

There’s nothing conservative about the tory party in its present form, getting one of their more blue collar mps to issue a four letter word re ferried in invaders and barges is similar eyewash, don’t ever judge a politician by their words but by their action shall they be known.

The same applies to the fake red team of the uniparty, equally pointless and by their actions show they detest the genuine working class of the country just as much as the fake blues.

Nothing will change until people vote the uniparty out, yes i know it won’t happen because the electorate can’t help doing as they are told, voting the same way as they’ve always done, each time expecting a different result.
What was it someone said about doing the same thing repeatedly yet expecting a different result?

Many people in this erm ‘country’ J vote for who their parents did. Others don’t care about politics or in fact anything that requires any intelligence.

Many, in fact possibly most folk, are simply interested in drinking and/or smoking pot, getting uber eats delivered and making sure they don’t miss the DFS sale before it ends on Bank Holiday Monday.

As long as that crappy two week holiday in Tenerife is paid for and a few more tattoo’s, life is fine. Unless people wake up and stop voting for the 2 main parties who are now basically the same and vote for perhaps Reform UK for example nothing will ever change.

This ‘country’ as we have known it is finished. Most people are too thick and/or scared to change it, or they have got themselves financially trapped forever through a lack of sense and fiscal discipline.

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JeffA:

bigstraight6:
It will you know, the biggest rollback of living standards for working class people in a generation. You only have to look at what that sick leftie Mayor of London is doing with his ULEZ extension, if you can afford a very expensive Tesla, Audi, Porsche EV you pay nothing, working class plebs running non compliant older vehicles pay. [zb] great for equality that.

Nah, I’ve a 20 year old car I paid £500 for and even that would pass ULEZ. Check the vehicle checker. It seems like the only cars ULEZ will affect are vintage car owners. If you paid more than £60 for a car then you’re fine.

Well, I’ve read this reply a few times now and it literally doesn’t make any sense. I own a vintage car, a 1964 Ford Zodiac which is fine to drive in the zone without the charge if I was foolhardy enough to want to do so.
My daily get to work car is a 14 year old VW Polo TDI which although is clean enough to be only £30 a year in road fund licence isn’t ULEZ compliant in Citizen Khan’s alternative Universe, like many working class people are now finding out. London is ■■■■■■ I would say.

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eagerbeaver:

Juddian:
Its all eyewash, there’s an election approaching (assuming the planned coming pandemic doesn’t give them excuses for a postal election scam) and they’re making the right noises to sway the easily duped turkeys to vote for Christmas once again.

There’s nothing conservative about the tory party in its present form, getting one of their more blue collar mps to issue a four letter word re ferried in invaders and barges is similar eyewash, don’t ever judge a politician by their words but by their action shall they be known.

The same applies to the fake red team of the uniparty, equally pointless and by their actions show they detest the genuine working class of the country just as much as the fake blues.

Nothing will change until people vote the uniparty out, yes i know it won’t happen because the electorate can’t help doing as they are told, voting the same way as they’ve always done, each time expecting a different result.
What was it someone said about doing the same thing repeatedly yet expecting a different result?

Many people in this erm ‘country’ J vote for who their parents did. Others don’t care about politics or in fact anything that requires any intelligence.

Many, in fact possibly most folk, are simply interested in drinking and/or smoking pot, getting uber eats delivered and making sure they don’t miss the DFS sale before it ends on Bank Holiday Monday.

As long as that crappy two week holiday in Tenerife is paid for and a few more tattoo’s, life is fine. Unless people wake up and stop voting for the 2 main parties who are now basically the same and vote for perhaps Reform UK for example nothing will ever change.

This ‘country’ as we have known it is finished. Most people are too thick and/or scared to change it, or they have got themselves financially trapped forever through a lack of sense and fiscal discipline.

People have picked up bad habits - from not being able to do things for themselves, be those things “Fixing one’s own car”, “being able to cook a roast”, or even “able to drive without the need for an SUV in-town”

Waste of money there…
Since “what you don’t spend” is as good as “income” having your food delilvered - costs modern people today as much as something like rates and mortgages cost 30-40 years ago combined.

People wonder why they are skint 3 days after payday when they are earning £75,000+ salaries…

GET THOSE OVERHEADS DOWN!

…If you cannot or WILL not? - Then your choices are limited indeed, and there’s a whole load of foreigners and home-grown freeloaders in front of you for any would-be state help for sudden homelessness…

I’m surprised the Government hasn’t forced the workshy into the “Sheds with Beds” jobs as yet actually…

As for local employment… If recycling centers are asking for new staff @ top rates all the time - how come these greensters wasting their lives lying down in the middle of roads - don’t doff the same hi-viz (sans skully-head!) and get some serious greeny work done AT the very places that have been built for the very likes of their political cause, one would think…?

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bigstraight6:

JeffA:

bigstraight6:
It will you know, the biggest rollback of living standards for working class people in a generation. You only have to look at what that sick leftie Mayor of London is doing with his ULEZ extension, if you can afford a very expensive Tesla, Audi, Porsche EV you pay nothing, working class plebs running non compliant older vehicles pay. [zb] great for equality that.

Nah, I’ve a 20 year old car I paid £500 for and even that would pass ULEZ. Check the vehicle checker. It seems like the only cars ULEZ will affect are vintage car owners. If you paid more than £60 for a car then you’re fine.

Well, I’ve read this reply a few times now and it literally doesn’t make any sense. I own a vintage car, a 1964 Ford Zodiac which is fine to drive in the zone without the charge if I was foolhardy enough to want to do so.
My daily get to work car is a 14 year old VW Polo TDI which although is clean enough to be only £30 a year in road fund licence isn’t ULEZ compliant in Citizen Khan’s alternative Universe, like many working class people are now finding out. London is [zb] I would say.

Well 90% of all cars will pass ULEZ so you must have really bad luck. Mine’s ten years older than yours, cost me £500 and even that passes ULEZ so it ain’t gonna affect “many” working class people. (To be honest, if you’re driving a car that’s only 14 years old are you really “working class”?)

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JeffA:

bigstraight6:

JeffA:

bigstraight6:
It will you know, the biggest rollback of living standards for working class people in a generation. You only have to look at what that sick leftie Mayor of London is doing with his ULEZ extension, if you can afford a very expensive Tesla, Audi, Porsche EV you pay nothing, working class plebs running non compliant older vehicles pay. [zb] great for equality that.

Nah, I’ve a 20 year old car I paid £500 for and even that would pass ULEZ. Check the vehicle checker. It seems like the only cars ULEZ will affect are vintage car owners. If you paid more than £60 for a car then you’re fine.

Well, I’ve read this reply a few times now and it literally doesn’t make any sense. I own a vintage car, a 1964 Ford Zodiac which is fine to drive in the zone without the charge if I was foolhardy enough to want to do so.
My daily get to work car is a 14 year old VW Polo TDI which although is clean enough to be only £30 a year in road fund licence isn’t ULEZ compliant in Citizen Khan’s alternative Universe, like many working class people are now finding out. London is [zb] I would say.

Well 90% of all cars will pass ULEZ so you must have really bad luck. Mine’s ten years older than yours, cost me £500 and even that passes ULEZ so it ain’t gonna affect “many” working class people. (To be honest, if you’re driving a car that’s only 14 years old are you really “working class”?)

Do what! are you really gullible and simple enough to buy Khan’s dodgy statistics, yes I am working class being a lorry driver and on here, and hence that’s why I’m driving a 14 year old car as I can’t afford any better earning £13.20 an hour multi dropping in an artic.

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Maybe these 90% of cars that’ll sail though the ULEZ to qualify for zero charges - are the very ones that no one ever sells, ever!

I repeat: - The price of old bangers has RISEN since the lockdown, as has scrappage.

You’re not going to be able to buy a non-working car for less than £400 these days, as you can get about that for scrapping the damned thing, runner or not!

Getting a running car with a valid MOT on it, 10months+ is not going to give you change out of a grand unless there’s something seriously wrong with it, like a worn-out clutch, falling off exhaust, water in the oil, etc etc.

What you see is what you get.
Buy a car with 10 months MOT on it - and you don’t expect it then to be PASSING that next MOT - or the bod selling you the banger - would have kept hold of it - right?

“I’m selling the car, because I’m about to become an ex-pat, emigrating to the costa-del-packet forever and ever amen.”

“Howcome you have not put your house on the market yet then?” :grimacing: :unamused: :unamused: :unamused:

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Yet more taxation on older cars! Bath & north east Somerset are the latest local authority to introduce an emissions based parking charge system in their car parks beginning on 8th September. airqualitynews.com/headlines/em … d-in-bath/

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JeffA:
Well 90% of all cars will pass ULEZ so you must have really bad luck. Mine’s ten years older than yours, cost me £500 and even that passes ULEZ so it ain’t gonna affect “many” working class people. (To be honest, if you’re driving a car that’s only 14 years old are you really “working class”?)

90%? I’d want to see some hard data to back that up rather than quoted rhetoric from those behind the scheme. My 13 year old Mazda 6 diesel is chargeable, if I were to be so insane as to want to drive into London (which last time I visited, I did not.)

“Working Class” to me would be a state of mind or ethos, not an income-dependent issue; there’s plenty of people on the nearby (crappy) council estates who have newer vehicles than mine, and plenty of working people in my non-council-estate street with cars as old as mine.