Fuel tanker strike

waddy640:
So this dispute is about H&S issues. If they are that important why have they not been resolved before now? These drivers should have brought this matter to a head long ago, if that is the real reason for the industrial action.

As has been stated in previous posts, there are drivers with far worse conditions and far less pay than tanker drivers.

This is about a union that has no consideration for the working class it alledgedly represents, after all if there is no fuel then workers could be laid off and receive no pay because of it. This more about a leader who wants confrontation with the Government. Scargill did the same and we all know how sucessful that was for the miners.

Maggie actually set out to destroy the whole of British industry including the mining industry.So who gained from it.No surprise the zb Chinese Communist Party and the Russian gas suppliers and the chosen few who’ve made a few quid out of the whole zb scam. :imp:

Carryfast:

waddy640:
So this dispute is about H&S issues. If they are that important why have they not been resolved before now? These drivers should have brought this matter to a head long ago, if that is the real reason for the industrial action.

As has been stated in previous posts, there are drivers with far worse conditions and far less pay than tanker drivers.

This is about a union that has no consideration for the working class it alledgedly represents, after all if there is no fuel then workers could be laid off and receive no pay because of it. This more about a leader who wants confrontation with the Government. Scargill did the same and we all know how sucessful that was for the miners.

Maggie actually set out to destroy the whole of British industry including the mining industry.So who gained from it.No surprise the zb Chinese Communist Party and the Russian gas suppliers and the chosen few who’ve made a few quid out of the whole zb scam. :imp:

There wasn’t much left to destroy when she arrived, the docks, steelworks, car and truck manufacturing had already gone. There was only the print to go.

There are more countries who never strike, or very seldom and have much better condistions for their workforce, lets say Holland and several Scandinavian countries.
so it can be done.
Strike is like opening the fridge with a termal lance.

So, the reason that these other countries never strike is because they have much better conditions. If those conditions started to deteriate…what then?

waddy640:

Carryfast:

waddy640:
So this dispute is about H&S issues. If they are that important why have they not been resolved before now? These drivers should have brought this matter to a head long ago, if that is the real reason for the industrial action.

As has been stated in previous posts, there are drivers with far worse conditions and far less pay than tanker drivers.

This is about a union that has no consideration for the working class it alledgedly represents, after all if there is no fuel then workers could be laid off and receive no pay because of it. This more about a leader who wants confrontation with the Government. Scargill did the same and we all know how sucessful that was for the miners.

Maggie actually set out to destroy the whole of British industry including the mining industry.So who gained from it.No surprise the zb Chinese Communist Party and the Russian gas suppliers and the chosen few who’ve made a few quid out of the whole zb scam. :imp:

There wasn’t much left to destroy when she arrived, the docks, steelworks, car and truck manufacturing had already gone. There was only the print to go.

Blimey so the New Labour and Tory version of history says is that the British car manufacturing industry and the steel and mining industries etc etc had all gone before the end of the 1970’s. :open_mouth: :unamused:

Now for the bombshell question.Assuming that it was the so called ‘greed’ of British workers that destroyed our industries how the zb was it that the German industries survived even though they were paying their workers a lot more than British workers were being paid.No prizes for guessing that it was because the zb’s weren’t lumbered with tossers like Callaghan and Thatcher and their supporters. :imp:

So it’s not about pay, but point one wants shift premiums. Point two talks about passports and certain drivers doing certain tasks. Let me guess, will that attract a premium? Point four is pensions, enough said. As for your shift work, just the same as I do on boxes and did before on curtains, difference being I don’t get a set start for a 4-5 day block. This is just a strike about pay dressed up to deceive :unamused:

DoubleDutch:

There are more countries who never strike, or very seldom and have much better condistions for their workforce, lets say Holland and several Scandinavian countries.
so it can be done.
Strike is like opening the fridge with a termal lance.

So, the reason that these other countries never strike is because they have much better conditions. If those conditions started to deteriate…what then?

Think we saw the answer to that question in Germany during the 1920’s and 1930’s.Which is why their government made sure that their terms and conditions only got better after WW2 unlike British workers had to put up with.

OVLOV JAY:
So it’s not about pay, but point one wants shift premiums. Point two talks about passports and certain drivers doing certain tasks. Let me guess, will that attract a premium? Point four is pensions, enough said. As for your shift work, just the same as I do on boxes and did before on curtains, difference being I don’t get a set start for a 4-5 day block. This is just a strike about pay dressed up to deceive :unamused:

This is a strike about pay dressed up to decieve because the union is scared to say that it’s all about pay in case it gets attacked by the working classes for trying to defend,let alone improve,the terms and conditions of those in the working classes who it represents.

Unlike the situation in the Tory rank and file where you never hear one lot of bankers ever complaining about another lot of bankers when they ask for their latest pay rise and multi million pound bonuses. :smiling_imp: :unamused:

heathyboy:
We are on the brink of battle with greedy oil companies and employers who thought that the campaign fuel tanker drivers began four years ago had gone away. Initially our fight was difficult and seemed to be going nowhere - some felt let down by the union, and many believed it was the right fight but simply at the wrong time.

But now we’ve reinvigorated and rebranded our campaign. Called ‘Enough is Enough’, the campaign has four main points:

Terms and conditions

We are demanding minimum standards for all tanker drivers. A draft agreement has been drawn up by the union with the help of the oil trades sub-committee, and this is our starting point for negotiations. The agreement takes into account the anti-social working hours of tanker drivers, and demands additional premiums for working nights, early starts, or five days over seven.

Training

We want a standard of training that is at the highest quality across the board regardless of who we work for. We are demanding a passport system whereby all drivers must meet a minimum standard to get their ‘passport’ to drive a tanker, ensuring no individual without the appropriate training and necessary competence may carry out any operation within the industry. For example, if a driver has not been trained for petroleum spirit deliveries then they would not be allowed to deliver petroleum spirit; if they’re not trained on cargo pumps then they can’t perform pump work. Simplistic, but a sensible approach to keeping the industry standard up.

Health and Safety

We want a minimum standard for health and safety. This means that no driver could be made to feel under pressure to do something that they feel is unsafe or be put under pressure to rush the job. We should have a working environment that is as calm and relaxed as possible to ensure the safety of the driver and everyone else around them.

Pension

As a direct result of the contract ‘merry-go-round’, many drivers have fragmented pensions from multiple contractors. Every time a contract is up for tender and the “employer” changes, the previous pensions schemes are not transferred over. The union UNITE has for some time now been working tirelessly to get an industry standard pension that is portable so every time a contract is lost and gained the pension moves with the driver. This has benefits for all parties as the companies do not have the same admin costs and the drivers have one continuous pension throughout their career.

It has been widely reported that tanker drivers earn £45k per annum for an average 37 hour week, if this is true it is for the minority, for the most part tanker drivers work what can only be described as antisocial hours to say the least.

Drivers will normally start a “day” shift as early as 2am, completing a 12 hour shift then passing the baton over to the afternoon shift. This pattern may be repeated four or five days a week. This can be gruelling; many drivers will have 4 days on, 4 days off, but some companies like to maximise weekend working by enforcing a five-days-over-seven working week.

Yes, we do earn a good wage, but at what cost to our family lives, health and social lives? I barely need to answer that, with what I have written so far.

Of course, many who drive other heavy goods vehicles will ask what makes out work so special.

Think about how often a goods delivery happens in a public domain where there is only one person carrying out all the parts of the delivery on their own.

Think about the product being delivered by the tanker driver, a flammable liquid that has the explosive power to do devastating damage.

One gallon of petrol will have the explosive power to transport a family of four in a middle sized hatchback for 30 - 40 miles!

That’s one little green can filled with 4.5 litres. On average there are 36000 to 42000 litres of fuel on board an articulated tanker.

It’s a huge responsibility - and it shouldn’t be done on the cheap! This is why we’re demanding the industry gives us the minimum standard we deserve.

So why strike? Simple: to stop the race to the bottom!

Every time a contract gets put out to tender the companies compete based on cost. This means one thing and one thing only, an attack on the terms and conditions of workers.

It means decreased wages, tight times to do a job, poor training, poor pensions to new entrants, an unfair division between men and women doing the same jobs.

It will also discourage the best drivers from applying - and when they are essentially in charge of transporting a mobile bomb, this is more than worrying. The safety of the general public is at risk if we do not stop the rot.

I want to finish on a different note - to other goods drivers on the road. We are all professional drivers playing a valuable role. We fuel tanker drivers are not fighting for our benefit alone. But we are the section of the industry that attracts the greatest renumeration. What direction will your wages and standards go in if we’re doing the top job on the cheap? It’s largely the same companies that are trying to cut costs in both of our sectors.

We can only fight our fight with your backing, with every last person in the haulage industry saying enough is enough. By sticking together we can revitalise this industry like a phoenix from the ashes of decades of cost down agendas.

If employers want to compete then let them, not on how cheap they are but on fundamental issues such as quality not quantity, safety not speed, and with drivers who drive with pride and professionalism. As the kings of the road…

Support the Fuel Tanker Drivers’ campaign

Well said that man.

Grumpygraeme:

heathyboy:
We are on the brink of battle with greedy oil companies and employers who thought that the campaign fuel tanker drivers began four years ago had gone away. Initially our fight was difficult and seemed to be going nowhere - some felt let down by the union, and many believed it was the right fight but simply at the wrong time.

But now we’ve reinvigorated and rebranded our campaign. Called ‘Enough is Enough’, the campaign has four main points:

Terms and conditions

We are demanding minimum standards for all tanker drivers. A draft agreement has been drawn up by the union with the help of the oil trades sub-committee, and this is our starting point for negotiations. The agreement takes into account the anti-social working hours of tanker drivers, and demands additional premiums for working nights, early starts, or five days over seven.

Training

We want a standard of training that is at the highest quality across the board regardless of who we work for. We are demanding a passport system whereby all drivers must meet a minimum standard to get their ‘passport’ to drive a tanker, ensuring no individual without the appropriate training and necessary competence may carry out any operation within the industry. For example, if a driver has not been trained for petroleum spirit deliveries then they would not be allowed to deliver petroleum spirit; if they’re not trained on cargo pumps then they can’t perform pump work. Simplistic, but a sensible approach to keeping the industry standard up.

Health and Safety

We want a minimum standard for health and safety. This means that no driver could be made to feel under pressure to do something that they feel is unsafe or be put under pressure to rush the job. We should have a working environment that is as calm and relaxed as possible to ensure the safety of the driver and everyone else around them.

Pension

As a direct result of the contract ‘merry-go-round’, many drivers have fragmented pensions from multiple contractors. Every time a contract is up for tender and the “employer” changes, the previous pensions schemes are not transferred over. The union UNITE has for some time now been working tirelessly to get an industry standard pension that is portable so every time a contract is lost and gained the pension moves with the driver. This has benefits for all parties as the companies do not have the same admin costs and the drivers have one continuous pension throughout their career.

It has been widely reported that tanker drivers earn £45k per annum for an average 37 hour week, if this is true it is for the minority, for the most part tanker drivers work what can only be described as antisocial hours to say the least.

Drivers will normally start a “day” shift as early as 2am, completing a 12 hour shift then passing the baton over to the afternoon shift. This pattern may be repeated four or five days a week. This can be gruelling; many drivers will have 4 days on, 4 days off, but some companies like to maximise weekend working by enforcing a five-days-over-seven working week.

Yes, we do earn a good wage, but at what cost to our family lives, health and social lives? I barely need to answer that, with what I have written so far.

Of course, many who drive other heavy goods vehicles will ask what makes out work so special.

Think about how often a goods delivery happens in a public domain where there is only one person carrying out all the parts of the delivery on their own.

Think about the product being delivered by the tanker driver, a flammable liquid that has the explosive power to do devastating damage.

One gallon of petrol will have the explosive power to transport a family of four in a middle sized hatchback for 30 - 40 miles!

That’s one little green can filled with 4.5 litres. On average there are 36000 to 42000 litres of fuel on board an articulated tanker.

It’s a huge responsibility - and it shouldn’t be done on the cheap! This is why we’re demanding the industry gives us the minimum standard we deserve.

So why strike? Simple: to stop the race to the bottom!

Every time a contract gets put out to tender the companies compete based on cost. This means one thing and one thing only, an attack on the terms and conditions of workers.

It means decreased wages, tight times to do a job, poor training, poor pensions to new entrants, an unfair division between men and women doing the same jobs.

It will also discourage the best drivers from applying - and when they are essentially in charge of transporting a mobile bomb, this is more than worrying. The safety of the general public is at risk if we do not stop the rot.

I want to finish on a different note - to other goods drivers on the road. We are all professional drivers playing a valuable role. We fuel tanker drivers are not fighting for our benefit alone. But we are the section of the industry that attracts the greatest renumeration. What direction will your wages and standards go in if we’re doing the top job on the cheap? It’s largely the same companies that are trying to cut costs in both of our sectors.

We can only fight our fight with your backing, with every last person in the haulage industry saying enough is enough. By sticking together we can revitalise this industry like a phoenix from the ashes of decades of cost down agendas.

If employers want to compete then let them, not on how cheap they are but on fundamental issues such as quality not quantity, safety not speed, and with drivers who drive with pride and professionalism. As the kings of the road…

Support the Fuel Tanker Drivers’ campaign

So who is writing this stuff…A fuel tanker driver’s story | Counterfire

mkb600:

Grumpygraeme:

heathyboy:
We are on the brink of battle with greedy oil companies and employers who thought that the campaign fuel tanker drivers began four years ago had gone away. Initially our fight was difficult and seemed to be going nowhere - some felt let down by the union, and many believed it was the right fight but simply at the wrong time.

But now we’ve reinvigorated and rebranded our campaign. Called ‘Enough is Enough’, the campaign has four main points:

Terms and conditions

We are demanding minimum standards for all tanker drivers. A draft agreement has been drawn up by the union with the help of the oil trades sub-committee, and this is our starting point for negotiations. The agreement takes into account the anti-social working hours of tanker drivers, and demands additional premiums for working nights, early starts, or five days over seven.

Training

We want a standard of training that is at the highest quality across the board regardless of who we work for. We are demanding a passport system whereby all drivers must meet a minimum standard to get their ‘passport’ to drive a tanker, ensuring no individual without the appropriate training and necessary competence may carry out any operation within the industry. For example, if a driver has not been trained for petroleum spirit deliveries then they would not be allowed to deliver petroleum spirit; if they’re not trained on cargo pumps then they can’t perform pump work. Simplistic, but a sensible approach to keeping the industry standard up.

Health and Safety

We want a minimum standard for health and safety. This means that no driver could be made to feel under pressure to do something that they feel is unsafe or be put under pressure to rush the job. We should have a working environment that is as calm and relaxed as possible to ensure the safety of the driver and everyone else around them.

Pension

As a direct result of the contract ‘merry-go-round’, many drivers have fragmented pensions from multiple contractors. Every time a contract is up for tender and the “employer” changes, the previous pensions schemes are not transferred over. The union UNITE has for some time now been working tirelessly to get an industry standard pension that is portable so every time a contract is lost and gained the pension moves with the driver. This has benefits for all parties as the companies do not have the same admin costs and the drivers have one continuous pension throughout their career.

It has been widely reported that tanker drivers earn £45k per annum for an average 37 hour week, if this is true it is for the minority, for the most part tanker drivers work what can only be described as antisocial hours to say the least.

Drivers will normally start a “day” shift as early as 2am, completing a 12 hour shift then passing the baton over to the afternoon shift. This pattern may be repeated four or five days a week. This can be gruelling; many drivers will have 4 days on, 4 days off, but some companies like to maximise weekend working by enforcing a five-days-over-seven working week.

Yes, we do earn a good wage, but at what cost to our family lives, health and social lives? I barely need to answer that, with what I have written so far.

Of course, many who drive other heavy goods vehicles will ask what makes out work so special.

Think about how often a goods delivery happens in a public domain where there is only one person carrying out all the parts of the delivery on their own.

Think about the product being delivered by the tanker driver, a flammable liquid that has the explosive power to do devastating damage.

One gallon of petrol will have the explosive power to transport a family of four in a middle sized hatchback for 30 - 40 miles!

That’s one little green can filled with 4.5 litres. On average there are 36000 to 42000 litres of fuel on board an articulated tanker.

It’s a huge responsibility - and it shouldn’t be done on the cheap! This is why we’re demanding the industry gives us the minimum standard we deserve.

So why strike? Simple: to stop the race to the bottom!

Every time a contract gets put out to tender the companies compete based on cost. This means one thing and one thing only, an attack on the terms and conditions of workers.

It means decreased wages, tight times to do a job, poor training, poor pensions to new entrants, an unfair division between men and women doing the same jobs.

It will also discourage the best drivers from applying - and when they are essentially in charge of transporting a mobile bomb, this is more than worrying. The safety of the general public is at risk if we do not stop the rot.

I want to finish on a different note - to other goods drivers on the road. We are all professional drivers playing a valuable role. We fuel tanker drivers are not fighting for our benefit alone. But we are the section of the industry that attracts the greatest renumeration. What direction will your wages and standards go in if we’re doing the top job on the cheap? It’s largely the same companies that are trying to cut costs in both of our sectors.

We can only fight our fight with your backing, with every last person in the haulage industry saying enough is enough. By sticking together we can revitalise this industry like a phoenix from the ashes of decades of cost down agendas.

If employers want to compete then let them, not on how cheap they are but on fundamental issues such as quality not quantity, safety not speed, and with drivers who drive with pride and professionalism. As the kings of the road…

Support the Fuel Tanker Drivers’ campaign

So who is writing this stuff…A fuel tanker driver’s story | Counterfire

Rumbled… :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Ken.

support tanker drivers campaign ok like when lorry drivers spent a week down at pembroke asking for support from tanker drivers did you support us.

sammy dog:
support tanker drivers campaign ok like when lorry drivers spent a week down at pembroke asking for support from tanker drivers did you support us.

Yes Sammy, I was there ( bloke on the Harley) and like you I saw all the support the tanker drivers gave us as they sneaked out of the back entrance. Like the troops though they were just obeying orders.

Funnily enough, I didn’t see any Unite officials there either.

gnasty gnome:

sammy dog:
support tanker drivers campaign ok like when lorry drivers spent a week down at pembroke asking for support from tanker drivers did you support us.

Yes Sammy, I was there ( bloke on the Harley) and like you I saw all the support the tanker drivers gave us as they sneaked out of the back entrance. Like the troops though they were just obeying orders.

Funnily enough, I didn’t see any Unite officials there either.

im with the green and red scania next to the saab page 314 south wales haulier thread regards martyn.

Carryfast:

ncooper:

thelorryist:
Seems to me that the tanker drivers are just being greedy. simply because they can be…

I agree.

I remember the dockers were also greedy because they could be and now there are hardly any left.
The miners were greedy, and led by the greediest of all and now there are hardly any left.
The motor industry workers were greedy and there are hardly any left.

I see a pattern here and I think the present crop of well paid fuel tanker drivers will suffer the same fate.
There will still be tanker drivers but not ones who earn £45,000 pa.

I was a tanker driver in the 1970s and at times drove a spirit tanker that looked just like a petrol tanker.
Just because it contained gas condensate and not petrol destined for garage forecourts, I didn’t qualify
for the big money.
I didn’t understand then and I don’t now why a driver was allegedly so much more “skilled” just because
there was road fuel in the tank.

Speaking as one who earns £6000 pa less than I did seven years ago and therefore only just over half of what a tanker driver
gets, I can feel little sympathy for their cause, which I think is based in the hopelessly outdated ideas of the last century.
As far as I can see, strike action has, in the long term, mostly led to massive redundancies and much less money for those that are left.

Just saying.

Regards,
Nick

Strange though how the same argument has never been applied in the case of German workers over the years.

And now we’re paying the Russians a fortune for imported gas instead of paying our own miners a fair wage to provide cheaper domestically produced coal instead.

But the fact that you think that the miners were greedier than the zb bankers says everything. :imp: :unamused:

Maybe I’ve read it wrong, but I don’t think he said anything about the bankers.

Nick, I agree with you.

gnasty gnome:

heathyboy:
We are on the brink of battle with greedy oil companies and employers who thought that the campaign fuel tanker drivers began four years ago had gone away. Initially our fight was difficult and seemed to be going nowhere - some felt let down by the union, and many believed it was the right fight but simply at the wrong time.

But now we’ve reinvigorated and rebranded our campaign. Called ‘Enough is Enough’, the campaign has four main points:

Terms and conditions

We are demanding minimum standards for all tanker drivers. A draft agreement has been drawn up by the union with the help of the oil trades sub-committee, and this is our starting point for negotiations. The agreement takes into account the anti-social working hours of tanker drivers, and demands additional premiums for working nights, early starts, or five days over seven.

Training

We want a standard of training that is at the highest quality across the board regardless of who we work for. We are demanding a passport system whereby all drivers must meet a minimum standard to get their ‘passport’ to drive a tanker, ensuring no individual without the appropriate training and necessary competence may carry out any operation within the industry. For example, if a driver has not been trained for petroleum spirit deliveries then they would not be allowed to deliver petroleum spirit; if they’re not trained on cargo pumps then they can’t perform pump work. Simplistic, but a sensible approach to keeping the industry standard up.

Health and Safety

We want a minimum standard for health and safety. This means that no driver could be made to feel under pressure to do something that they feel is unsafe or be put under pressure to rush the job. We should have a working environment that is as calm and relaxed as possible to ensure the safety of the driver and everyone else around them.

Pension

As a direct result of the contract ‘merry-go-round’, many drivers have fragmented pensions from multiple contractors. Every time a contract is up for tender and the “employer” changes, the previous pensions schemes are not transferred over. The union UNITE has for some time now been working tirelessly to get an industry standard pension that is portable so every time a contract is lost and gained the pension moves with the driver. This has benefits for all parties as the companies do not have the same admin costs and the drivers have one continuous pension throughout their career.

It has been widely reported that tanker drivers earn £45k per annum for an average 37 hour week, if this is true it is for the minority, for the most part tanker drivers work what can only be described as antisocial hours to say the least.

Drivers will normally start a “day” shift as early as 2am, completing a 12 hour shift then passing the baton over to the afternoon shift. This pattern may be repeated four or five days a week. This can be gruelling; many drivers will have 4 days on, 4 days off, but some companies like to maximise weekend working by enforcing a five-days-over-seven working week.

Yes, we do earn a good wage, but at what cost to our family lives, health and social lives? I barely need to answer that, with what I have written so far.

Of course, many who drive other heavy goods vehicles will ask what makes out work so special.

Think about how often a goods delivery happens in a public domain where there is only one person carrying out all the parts of the delivery on their own.

Think about the product being delivered by the tanker driver, a flammable liquid that has the explosive power to do devastating damage.

One gallon of petrol will have the explosive power to transport a family of four in a middle sized hatchback for 30 - 40 miles!

That’s one little green can filled with 4.5 litres. On average there are 36000 to 42000 litres of fuel on board an articulated tanker.

It’s a huge responsibility - and it shouldn’t be done on the cheap! This is why we’re demanding the industry gives us the minimum standard we deserve.

So why strike? Simple: to stop the race to the bottom!

Every time a contract gets put out to tender the companies compete based on cost. This means one thing and one thing only, an attack on the terms and conditions of workers.

It means decreased wages, tight times to do a job, poor training, poor pensions to new entrants, an unfair division between men and women doing the same jobs.

It will also discourage the best drivers from applying - and when they are essentially in charge of transporting a mobile bomb, this is more than worrying. The safety of the general public is at risk if we do not stop the rot.

I want to finish on a different note - to other goods drivers on the road. We are all professional drivers playing a valuable role. We fuel tanker drivers are not fighting for our benefit alone. But we are the section of the industry that attracts the greatest renumeration. What direction will your wages and standards go in if we’re doing the top job on the cheap? It’s largely the same companies that are trying to cut costs in both of our sectors.

We can only fight our fight with your backing, with every last person in the haulage industry saying enough is enough. By sticking together we can revitalise this industry like a phoenix from the ashes of decades of cost down agendas.

If employers want to compete then let them, not on how cheap they are but on fundamental issues such as quality not quantity, safety not speed, and with drivers who drive with pride and professionalism. As the kings of the road…

Support the Fuel Tanker Drivers’ campaign

With the greatest of respect, healthyboy, I’m sure you didn’t write that yourself. :wink:

There’s a fair bit of that which I can agree with, and more that I can actually sympathise with.But there’s a lot in there that’s laughable PR bulldust.

The comment about “doing the whole delivery on your own within the public domain”…come on man, even the bloody postman can manage that! :smiley:

Correct me if I’m wrong please, but you deliver from refineries or storage depots to garage forecourts which are normally level, lit and on public roads. You do not have to negotiate farm tracks, drive off-road, tip up under wires, or even get particularly dirty. Wasn’t so long ago that tanker work was a collar and tie job.

There’s no handball beyond carrying the delivery pipes. You do not carry cash, so are not at risk of being mugged; you know your delivery points, so are not at risk of getting lost. AFAIK you do not do nights away. Your kit (quite rightly) has to meet very high maintenence standards above and beyond that which us normal mortals endure.

Your start times may well be [zb] but you’re far from unique in this; you’re doing regular 12 hour shifts like a lot of others but you’re not doing 15 hour days unless something goes wrong.

Given that you are “demanding” extra money for shifts, can you please confirm that you do not receive such payments already?

Would the “passport” system be a recognised trade training programme, or simply a re-introduction of the “dead mans shoes” system which made new entry from outside your own clique virtually impossible?

And you want a working environment that’s “calm and relaxed”? You’re in the wrong job mister.

One last question. I’d always considered that working to rule was a viable option prior to all-out striking. Is it not the case that your job is already so hide-bound by Spanish practices and union interference that if you were to work to rule, no-one would notice the difference… and that’s really what you’re afraid of? :wink:

I agree.

The passport system?? Hold on, don’t we all already have a system where we should be trained on any new equipment?
I remember on the busses it was called VF, Vehicle Familiarisation, and we signed off on it after it was done.

I’m an agency driver, go to lots of firms doing lots of different jobs using lots of different tackle, and have to sign to say I know how to use it before starting, and if I don’t, I get shown.

I went to Lidl last week and got shown how to use a pump truck :unamused: , I then went to a different Lidl, and it hadn’t gone through the system, so I got shown how to use a pump truck again :laughing:

5 out of 7, sounds standard to me, was on the airport driving coaches before I became a HGV driver, 24/7/365, including xmas day (I worked this to give others a chance to be with their families since I have no kids and my missus worked in a care home at the time, so she did the same), rediculous starting and finish times, oh and lots of peoples lives in my hands, PIA had a crew of 23, in a 40’ coach on a road with other vehicles, and airside with airplanes where the wings and engines are low enough to catch the roof of the coach.

What makes you think yours is the TOP JOB? And our wages can’t go anywhere but up now thanks to minimum wage.
Personally, I’d put the radioactive waste drivers as top job, and abnormal loads, driving a tanker, seriously??
I drove containers where I didn’t have a clue what was in them or how it was loaded, at least you know what you’re carrying and how it’s going to react.
I drive tauts with IBC’s on and have drove a tanker (rigid 8 wheeler ■■■■ and blow - drain repair) and found it quite easy to drive to be honest.

An unfair division between men and women doing the same job, you mean like you guys on petrol and everyone else on every other job?

Poor pensions, welcome to the real world mate.

Now, believe it or not, I actually support your protest, but like others have said, at least have the balls to admit why you’re protesting instead of trying to BULL ■■■■ those of us who actually do the same job as you +/-

coiler:

Carryfast:

ncooper:

thelorryist:
Seems to me that the tanker drivers are just being greedy. simply because they can be…

I agree.

I remember the dockers were also greedy because they could be and now there are hardly any left.
The miners were greedy, and led by the greediest of all and now there are hardly any left.
The motor industry workers were greedy and there are hardly any left.

I see a pattern here and I think the present crop of well paid fuel tanker drivers will suffer the same fate.
There will still be tanker drivers but not ones who earn £45,000 pa.

I was a tanker driver in the 1970s and at times drove a spirit tanker that looked just like a petrol tanker.
Just because it contained gas condensate and not petrol destined for garage forecourts, I didn’t qualify
for the big money.
I didn’t understand then and I don’t now why a driver was allegedly so much more “skilled” just because
there was road fuel in the tank.

Speaking as one who earns £6000 pa less than I did seven years ago and therefore only just over half of what a tanker driver
gets, I can feel little sympathy for their cause, which I think is based in the hopelessly outdated ideas of the last century.
As far as I can see, strike action has, in the long term, mostly led to massive redundancies and much less money for those that are left.

Just saying.

Regards,
Nick

Strange though how the same argument has never been applied in the case of German workers over the years.

And now we’re paying the Russians a fortune for imported gas instead of paying our own miners a fair wage to provide cheaper domestically produced coal instead.

But the fact that you think that the miners were greedier than the zb bankers says everything. :imp: :unamused:

Maybe I’ve read it wrong, but I don’t think he said anything about the bankers.

He didn’t need to.The fact that bankers didn’t figure in his description of ‘the greediest of all’ was enough.

This is how a modern developed industrial economy is ‘supposed to work’.Just as it did in 1960’s America and Germany post WW2.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fordism

This is what we actually got in 1979 and nothing seems to change. :imp: :unamused:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavyn_Davi … ess_career

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I havent posted on here for a whileive been reading a lot though but I cant see anything anywhere that justifies going on strike,

They say they want safety rights whats changed since they were trained?

They say they want 5 days out of 7 does anyone still do that?

They say they want better conditions? home every night,

Whatever happened between Margaret Thatcher and the miners is ■■■■ all to do with this really is it??

I dont believe in unions i think they cause more trouble than they are worth .

So exactly what H&S conditions or working copnditions do they want that they dont have already?.

Whats the truth about the wages? do they earn £45k what do they get an hour etc? and is it their want of overtime that has caused them to work too many hours? should they be salaried like most drivers are nowadays?

jammymutt:
I dont believe in unions i think they cause more trouble than they are worth .

That says it all.So where do you think that the economy would be now with wages in real terms about the same as they were before 1930. :unamused:

I dont believe in unions i think they cause more trouble than they are worth .

You don’t need to believe in them at all. They are completely and utterly useless. Outside of the EU laws there is not much to be argued for and or against involving a union, they have brought down many an industry due to their savage greed and in the end it killed them off.

Nice to see this thread has been trolled and derailed though :exclamation: