i went passed 6 garages tonight in poole / bournemouth and every one had a que coming out the forecourt and down the road 
one even had every pump shut of bar 2 and the staff in the garage were fueling cars up
all this because dave n his mates have said to fill up 
:twisted
jammymutt:
I havent posted on here for a whileive been reading a lot though but I cant see anything anywhere that justifies going on strike,They say they want safety rights whats changed since they were trained?
They say they want 5 days out of 7 does anyone still do that?
They say they want better conditions? home every night,
Whatever happened between Margaret Thatcher and the miners is [zb] all to do with this really is it??
I dont believe in unions i think they cause more trouble than they are worth .
So exactly what H&S conditions or working copnditions do they want that they dont have already?.
Whats the truth about the wages? do they earn ÂŁ45k what do they get an hour etc? and is it their want of overtime that has caused them to work too many hours? should they be salaried like most drivers are nowadays?
So back to my question anyway anyone got any anwers? carryfast each to their own im 47 not been out of work since i was 21 owned 3 houses happily married had quiter a few jobs financially im doing ok and all without any unions just me and a few bosses and some hard work.
Still cant see why these guys are threatening to go on strike though when i was 24 Iwas chucked some keys and told to get on with it ok it was a fridge trailer but I didnt know how to switch it on until another driver showed me i didnt know how to pick up a trailer until another driver showed me but i didnt go on strike and slow down an already slow economyâŚOH wait you just sped it up by makoing billions for the government and the oil companies you just put money in ther pockets of the people you hate so much .
~So anyway what do they ACTUALLY WANT??
Better conditions of what better training on what better h&s on what gimme a clue will ya?
My son flies to Afghanistan on Monday leaving behind his 2 & 3 years old kids for 6 months of active duty.
He is paid a damned sight less than reports say tanker drivers are getting. he is expected to work far more hours under far more dangerous conditions. Mind you he does get a lot of free uniform to wear - oh and a gun to try and make sure he stays alive.
He chose his way of making a living but has to give 12 months notice to give it up - not that he wants to.
if tanker drivers donât like their lot - go get another job. better still go join the armed forces. Donât put innocent members of the public out, donât screw up other businesses (how many hualiers will suffer if there is a lack of fuel - think those drivers will support the tanker drivers when their laid off?)
Lets put this all into perspective and think of our young lads living in a combat zone, losing life and limb for their country.
jammymutt:
carryfast each to their own im 47 not been out of work since i was 21 owned 3 houses happily married had quiter a few jobs financially im doing ok and all without any unions just me and a few bosses and some hard work
Blimey just think where the economy could have been if it hadnât have been for unions zbâing the economy up and causing all those reductions in terms and conditions since the 1920âs.
shep532:
My son flies to Afghanistan on Monday leaving behind his 2 & 3 years old kids for 6 months of active duty.He is paid a damned sight less than reports say tanker drivers are getting. he is expected to work far more hours under far more dangerous conditions. Mind you he does get a lot of free uniform to wear - oh and a gun to try and make sure he stays alive.
He chose his way of making a living but has to give 12 months notice to give it up - not that he wants to.
if tanker drivers donât like their lot - go get another job. better still go join the armed forces. Donât put innocent members of the public out, donât screw up other businesses (how many hualiers will suffer if there is a lack of fuel - think those drivers will support the tanker drivers when their laid off?)
Lets put this all into perspective and think of our young lads living in a combat zone, losing life and limb for their country.
Sounds like the same argument as the Russian government probably might have applied to all the members of Solidarity.
Seems a bit strange why bankers who are on much better âterms and conditionsâ seem to be exempt from your comments.
Carryfast:
Seems a bit strange why bankers who are on much better âterms and conditionsâ seem to be exempt from your comments.
Because this thread and discussion isnât about Bankers, miners or Thatcher?
Get over it man and move on Scargill is determined to bankrupt the NUM over a car and a flat
Am an who forgot his own mantra one man one vote when he alone called the miners out.
A good old fashioned socialist union man who like the rest of them is a money grabber just like any banker.
Union leaders are fat cats accept it grace and favour flats, Range Rovers, expence accounts even that so calLed old Labour man John Prescott galloped to the house of Lords when he had the chance.
I bet Len McCluskeyâs terms and conditions are way above the normal working mans heâs as far removed from his members as any banker.
UNITE have over the last few years pumped ÂŁ20 Million quid into Labour to keep it afloat.
Why didnât Labour do something for the working man - Prescott sent me and my mates to break the firemans strike good union man he proved to be.
Why didnât they reopen tâpits and solve some of South Yorkshires unemployment problems?
How many drivers will UNITE put out of work with this strike when struggling haulage firms pack up either due to soaring fuel costs or unable to carry out work due to lack of fuel?
We are demanding minimum standards for all tanker drivers. A draft agreement has been drawn up by the union with the help of the oil trades sub-committee, and this is our starting point for negotiations. The agreement takes into account the anti-social working hours of tanker drivers, and demands additional premiums for working nights, early starts, or five days over sevenâŚ
So it is about pay thanks for clearing that up.
Tell the dopey bird from the union to just come clean on the t.v. next time will you.
Mind if thats the calibre of people that your listening to youâll not only lost the strike but your jobs.
Every time sheâs on not only is someone running rings round her she seems to reading the script from the Trucks and Trailers episode where the brain of Britain was droning on about âtravelling bombsâ & âcould explode at any minuteâ
Your probably walking right into the companies trap
Look on here how many drivers are looking for work.
You lot walk out they find a way of getting rid of you and take a load of guys on for ÂŁ35k p.a.
Plenty of lads will work for that
what a load
its about 1 thing
1 bloke thinks it would be a good time to hold the country to ransome
if this was about fuel tax or parking facilities or any of the other issues affecting drivers then i would probably agree ,but now is not the time wait while the autumn ,after the games, show people its not about blackmail dont pick a bank holiday w/e (how to make friends and influence people)
im well paid for what i do ,i drive a well maintained wagon, i now earn 5.5 grand a year less than 7 years ago,thats the market at the mo itll go up again ,probably, and if it doesnt ill find another decent job. tanker drivers need to take a look at thier work envioroment and decide if it really is a bad place to be ,t b h i think they are only going to make things worse for themselves
shep532:
My son flies to Afghanistan on Monday leaving behind his 2 & 3 years old kids for 6 months of active duty.He is paid a damned sight less than reports say tanker drivers are getting. he is expected to work far more hours under far more dangerous conditions. Mind you he does get a lot of free uniform to wear - oh and a gun to try and make sure he stays alive.
He chose his way of making a living but has to give 12 months notice to give it up - not that he wants to.
if tanker drivers donât like their lot - go get another job. better still go join the armed forces. Donât put innocent members of the public out, donât screw up other businesses (how many hualiers will suffer if there is a lack of fuel - think those drivers will support the tanker drivers when their laid off?)
Lets put this all into perspective and think of our young lads living in a combat zone, losing life and limb for their country.
the tanker drivers have excellent conditions compared to others in transport.
and like you say, if they donât like it, do something else.
money is important, we canât deny it. but they are taking the â â â â .
i wouldnât cross a picket line, no matter what the circumstances though.
best of luck to your lad.
Forgive my ignorance here, I could probably make myself look like a bit of a â â â by asking this, but wouldnât having taken an ADR course have trained you to transport and deliver fuel safely? So if drivers are worried about h&s and training not being âprovidedâ, the ADR course is pretty much just a piece of paper saying you can drive with hazardous loads and the course is just a waste of time?
C-Kay:
Forgive my ignorance here, I could probably make myself look like a bit of a â â â by asking this, but wouldnât having taken an ADR course have trained you to transport and deliver fuel safely? So if drivers are worried about h&s and training not being âprovidedâ, the ADR course is pretty much just a piece of paper saying you can drive with hazardous loads and the course is just a waste of time?
looks about youâve hit the nail on the head.
sammy dog:
support tanker drivers campaign ok like when lorry drivers spent a week down at pembroke asking for support from tanker drivers did you support us.
I remember few Year back when i had an ADR Licence and a Tanker driver from a Depot near Heathrow told me that doesnt counts,as he the Assessment Driver would not let me through if i dont pay him ÂŁ500.-
That was to a Time when ÂŁ500.- was somethings worth.
Today i dont care.If they strike then there is the Army,or they fly a few Chines or indian in to do it (without ADR License.
Carryfast:
shep532:
My son flies to Afghanistan on Monday leaving behind his 2 & 3 years old kids for 6 months of active duty.He is paid a damned sight less than reports say tanker drivers are getting. he is expected to work far more hours under far more dangerous conditions. Mind you he does get a lot of free uniform to wear - oh and a gun to try and make sure he stays alive.
He chose his way of making a living but has to give 12 months notice to give it up - not that he wants to.
if tanker drivers donât like their lot - go get another job. better still go join the armed forces. Donât put innocent members of the public out, donât screw up other businesses (how many hualiers will suffer if there is a lack of fuel - think those drivers will support the tanker drivers when their laid off?)
Lets put this all into perspective and think of our young lads living in a combat zone, losing life and limb for their country.
Sounds like the same argument as the Russian government probably might have applied to all the members of Solidarity.
Seems a bit strange why bankers who are on much better âterms and conditionsâ seem to be exempt from your comments.
I donât know much about what the Bankers do for their big bonuses etc - therefore donât feel I should comment. Also - if i remember rightly they turned up for work every day - donât remember them striking.
I just donât support striking. i have lived my life on the basis that if I donât like what Iâm doing or donât like the pay - go get another job. if I canât do another job, learn how to, get qualified to do something else or carry on with what Iâm doing.
These tanker drivers are only striking because it will have a large impact - unfortunately it will heavily impact innocent people. I know for fact of one haulage company that cannot afford to buy more fuel before a strike - and a lack of fuel during a strike will put them out of business. Things are more than tight for smaller hauliers right now. I was sitting around the table when the meetings were held discussing what happens if there is a fuel shortage. The directors have discussed the possibility of closing the doors and 100+ people losing their jobs.
What happens to the innocent haulier when the customer cancels the load because his workers havenât got to work to make/load it? The driver gets laid off. Victim of a strike they had nothing to do with.
People that canât get to work due to no fuel - no pay
Non of these people that are affected that way will support the strike action.
I am self employed. Having been out seeing customers yesterday my tank was getting down. Two local filling stations - no diesel. I may enough to get to the next town but this will delay my meetings today. I potentialy lose money because of their strike action that I donât support. i think they get pay and conditions that are âfairâ compared to others.
In my limited knowledge and understanding of things - all the comments on here regarding Unions and strikes in the past have been right - short term battles may have been won but the war was eventually lost. The british car industry was brought down by the british worker and many other industries as well.
We are all entitled to our opinions - this is mine 
C-Kay:
Forgive my ignorance here, I could probably make myself look like a bit of a â â â by asking this, but wouldnât having taken an ADR course have trained you to transport and deliver fuel safely? So if drivers are worried about h&s and training not being âprovidedâ, the ADR course is pretty much just a piece of paper saying you can drive with hazardous loads and the course is just a waste of time?
Unfortunately the ADR course for tankers is only the very basics. Drivers then need detailed specialist training on the actual tanker they are operating and the collection and delivery point specific equipment. it all varies
if they arenât receiving this training as they should - then i can see their point. if it was me I would ask for the training, demand the training, but if it wasnât forthcoming I would be off for another job where I felt safe
Why screw the country over? Oh thatâs right - 'cos the Union says so. Who runs the Unions? Idiots
Its Easter and we need anywhy a few Day off 
shep532:
C-Kay:
Forgive my ignorance here, I could probably make myself look like a bit of a â â â by asking this, but wouldnât having taken an ADR course have trained you to transport and deliver fuel safely? So if drivers are worried about h&s and training not being âprovidedâ, the ADR course is pretty much just a piece of paper saying you can drive with hazardous loads and the course is just a waste of time?Unfortunately the ADR course for tankers is only the very basics. Drivers then need detailed specialist training on the actual tanker they are operating and the collection and delivery point specific equipment. it all varies
if they arenât receiving this training as they should - then i can see their point. if it was me I would ask for the training, demand the training, but if it wasnât forthcoming I would be off for another job where I felt safe
Why screw the country over? Oh thatâs right - 'cos the Union says so. Who runs the Unions? Idiots
According to the Radio4 news yesterday, 80 RAF tanker drivers are receiving 8 days training from Hoyer, just in case.
I guess they already know what they are doing with aircraft fuel and 8 days extra training would suggest that at
least Hoyer are taking H&S seriously?
Politics aside, I canât see any road fuel carrier risking their reputation in the present glare of publicity.
Regards,
Nick
if the army tankers are anything like the green goddeses, then itâll take a week to get wherever theyâre going. 
Who are training these RAF Drivers? I doubt very much they are being trained by a trainer lol. Blind leading the Blind
sammy dog:
support tanker drivers campaign ok like when lorry drivers spent a week down at pembroke asking for support from tanker drivers did you support us.
Donât support us then.
Carryfast:
shep532:
My son flies to Afghanistan on Monday leaving behind his 2 & 3 years old kids for 6 months of active duty.He is paid a damned sight less than reports say tanker drivers are getting. he is expected to work far more hours under far more dangerous conditions. Mind you he does get a lot of free uniform to wear - oh and a gun to try and make sure he stays alive.
He chose his way of making a living but has to give 12 months notice to give it up - not that he wants to.
if tanker drivers donât like their lot - go get another job. better still go join the armed forces. Donât put innocent members of the public out, donât screw up other businesses (how many hualiers will suffer if there is a lack of fuel - think those drivers will support the tanker drivers when their laid off?)
Lets put this all into perspective and think of our young lads living in a combat zone, losing life and limb for their country.
Sounds like the same argument as the Russian government probably might have applied to all the members of Solidarity.
Seems a bit strange why bankers who are on much better âterms and conditionsâ seem to be exempt from your comments.
Yeah because the merchant bankers are all members of a union and have everything to do with this thread. Along with Thatcher, Miners and old LPâs. Why do you always attempt to derail every post into union rhetoric?
Immigrant:
sammy dog:
support tanker drivers campaign ok like when lorry drivers spent a week down at pembroke asking for support from tanker drivers did you support us.I remember few Year back when i had an ADR Licence and a Tanker driver from a Depot near Heathrow told me that doesnt counts,as he the Assessment Driver would not let me through if i dont pay him ÂŁ500.-
That was to a Time when ÂŁ500.- was somethings worth.
Today i dont care.If they strike then there is the Army,or they fly a few Chines or indian in to do it (without ADR License.
Here he is. First sentence perfect then he remembers and starts talking like borat