There was a recent post about blockading the refineries, why not kill two birds with one stone and let them blockade while the tanker drivers are inside. It wont make a craps worth of difference but will let the protesters feel they have achieved something 
Right this is what I earned last Month Hoyer essso contract, Not quite what the press reported is it, as you can see a lot is made up with overtime, this is not optional overtime. Depending on how many Holiday days I book in on that month can make it even higher. Remember if you have read my other posts, we are only allowed to book 5 working days off a year, the rest we have to put in on rest days. WE ARE NOT ON 45k a year
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wills:
Right this is what I earned last Month Hoyer essso contract, Not quite what the press reported is it, as you can see a lot is made up with overtime, this is not optional overtime. Depending on how many Holiday days I book in on that month can make it even higher. Remember if you have read my other posts, we are only allowed to book off 5 working days a year, the rest we have to put in on rest days. WE ARE NOT ON 45k a year
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My heart bleeds for you it really does. You must be the only sector in the industry that has to work forced overtime 
what iâm trying to say is that its not Optional, eg working a rest day etc and iâm not moaning about what I earn⌠but I will moan about the fact that people get what I earn wrong.
Blimey why does everyone what ever you write on here just want to have a go and shoot ya down.
So the basic pay - on how may hours is that based?
wills:
what iâm trying to say is that its not Optional, eg working a rest day etc and iâm not moaning about what I earn⌠but I will moan about the fact that people get what I earn wrong.Blimey why does everyone what ever you write on here just want to have a go and shoot ya down.
You have to admit you are very well paid with a basic hourly rate well in excess of anyone else who drives a vehicle on the road. Where I live bus drivers are paid ÂŁ9.50 an hour and are guaranteed 39 hours a week. Only in London do they get better with 35k available with maximum overtime. And thatâs to deal with London traffic and abusive passengers.
wills:
what iâm trying to say is that its not Optional, eg working a rest day etc and iâm not moaning about what I earn⌠but I will moan about the fact that people get what I earn wrong.Blimey why does everyone what ever you write on here just want to have a go and shoot ya down.
Not me.If Iâve read it right itâs around ÂŁ750 per week 
to drive a class 1 tanker 5 days a week on a rolling week so includes weekends and shifts so includes shift premium as well .Then itâs 12 hour shifts because if itâs âcompulsory overtimeâ then it ainât overtime itâs all part of youâre contracted hours which youâre tied to so effectively youâre contracted to a 60 hour week .
So allowing for at least the double time which you get for Sundays and shift premiums taken out of that ÂŁ750 per week leaves ? per hour basic pay for around 60 hours per week.
The holiday issue I donât get.I used to get 25 working days (actually nights because I was a night trunk driver) + bank holidays and it wasnât unusual for me to ask for 20 of those days off in the Summer for one holiday leaving a week/5 days which had to be held over for the Christmas break.
daveb0789:
wills:
what iâm trying to say is that its not Optional, eg working a rest day etc and iâm not moaning about what I earn⌠but I will moan about the fact that people get what I earn wrong.Blimey why does everyone what ever you write on here just want to have a go and shoot ya down.
You have to admit you are very well paid with a basic hourly rate well in excess of anyone else who drives a vehicle on the road. Where I live bus drivers are paid ÂŁ9.50 an hour and are guaranteed 39 hours a week. Only in London do they get better with 35k available with maximum overtime. And thatâs to deal with London traffic and abusive passengers.
So youâre saying itâs the class 1 tanker driver whoâs overpaid not the bus driver .
I think the hourly rate in this case just means adding the âbasicâ and the âovertimeâ together (because the overtime isnât optional remember) which seems to total around ÂŁ750 per week for around a 60 hour week .That seems to include shift premium and extra time for weekend work which then leaves how much per hour âifâ those were paid and taken out of the equation .Around ÂŁ500 per week for 40 hours per week + shift premium for nights and double time for working on Sundays and overtime is optional would seem like a better deal.
Which then just leaves the question of the actual work load regardless of wether itâs 40 hours or 60 hours per week .
Not saying the tanker driver is overpaid - but that the typical bus driver (outside of London) is very underpaid. Is there a âhierarchyâ of driving jobs? According to the national statistics standard occupational classifications (NS-SEC)
ons.gov.uk/ons/guide-method/ ⌠method.doc
both jobs are classified as routine manual requiring relatively little on
the job training compared with a mechanic for example.
Carryfast:
wills:
what iâm trying to say is that its not Optional, eg working a rest day etc and iâm not moaning about what I earn⌠but I will moan about the fact that people get what I earn wrong.Blimey why does everyone what ever you write on here just want to have a go and shoot ya down.
Not me.If Iâve read it right itâs around ÂŁ750 per week
So allowing for at least the double time which you get for Sundays and shift premiums taken out of that ÂŁ750 per week leaves ? per hour basic pay for around 60 hours per week.
The holiday issue I donât get.I used to get 25 working days (actually nights because I was a night trunk driver) + bank holidays and it wasnât unusual for me to ask for 20 of those days off in the Summer for one holiday leaving a week/5 days which had to be held over for the Christmas break.
Itâs twaddle but well done on not mentioning Thatcher, Heath, Hitler, Miners, 1920 and Jurassic park
You might as well put youâre hand in a fire then complain about the type of burn. Iâm so hard done by brigade my job is harder and more dangerous than anyone elseâs brigade, gets a little boring after a while. Teachers compare holidays to oil platform workers, truck drivers compare time away from home to armed service personnel. Itâs just a load of moaners and whiners, if you donât like the shift pattern, time away from home, holidays, pay and or anything else DONT TAKE THE FRIGGIN JOB!
In addition if youâre backside is twitching on the basis that sub contractors might come in and steal youâre gravy train. Get real, it happened in general haulage ages and ages ago. Wait till the Europeans are hauling to garages like they are with the general haulage trade.
Many an operation works 4x4 and do not get âshift premiumâ âdouble time Sundaysâ and get a flat rate, pure and simple.
Just to confirm the rate is one flat rate for nights bank holidays o/t we know what we signed on for and as I can reiterate not moaning about that at all.
As for contractors we do work for them itâs called Hoyer like most of the Majors they sourced it out years ago. The point of minimum standards would be that those Majors might unlike how they used to award contracts by performance / reputation they will look to maximise more profit and give it too a less concienios employer. Who would not be able to offer the continual training safe job times standards due to winning the contract at a low price.
This morning this use of contracting out had been turned on its head with the announcement Greenergy who sub contracted out to Turners has taken its Tanker Drivers back in House. A way of controlling those standards to there requirements.
Oh and 4 on 4 off would be ace, we have asked time and time again for that, our shift pattern goes like this ⌠5am starts Days 5pm starts Nights
Monday Tuesday Wednesday days off Thursday
In Friday Saturday Sunday Monday Nights
Off The rest of Tuesday Wednesday back in days
Thursday Friday Saturday Sunday off Monday back in on nights
Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Weekend off and back round again
Wills, you are wasting your valuable time mate, the green eyed mob wonât have it.
Iâm on blowing tanks and our money works out about the same as yours, however its salaried so no overtime except for extra days worked and the salary depends on your shift pattern and a days work is a days work, it might be 8 hours or might be 13, some rotaâs do include weekends, i work at least one weekend day for 4 out of 5 weeks, those who donât work weekends donât get as high pay, pretty obvious iâd have thought, well maybe not here, The Socialist Republic of Trucknet.
Thanks for posting your pay slip copy, even when its black and white they wonât have it and many of them wouldnât want the shifts, or theyâd be taking the â â â â out of the sick pay scheme which those who can see about 6" past their noses do, and then wonder why the sick pay gets discontinued.
You carry on mate, and best of luck with the negotiations.
Spacemonkeypg:
Carryfast:
wills:
what iâm trying to say is that its not Optional, eg working a rest day etc and iâm not moaning about what I earn⌠but I will moan about the fact that people get what I earn wrong.Blimey why does everyone what ever you write on here just want to have a go and shoot ya down.
Not me.If Iâve read it right itâs around ÂŁ750 per week
So allowing for at least the double time which you get for Sundays and shift premiums taken out of that ÂŁ750 per week leaves ? per hour basic pay for around 60 hours per week.
The holiday issue I donât get.I used to get 25 working days (actually nights because I was a night trunk driver) + bank holidays and it wasnât unusual for me to ask for 20 of those days off in the Summer for one holiday leaving a week/5 days which had to be held over for the Christmas break.
Itâs twaddle but well done on not mentioning Thatcher, Heath, Hitler, Miners, 1920 and Jurassic park
You might as well put youâre hand in a fire then complain about the type of burn. Iâm so hard done by brigade my job is harder and more dangerous than anyone elseâs brigade, gets a little boring after a while. Teachers compare holidays to oil platform workers, truck drivers compare time away from home to armed service personnel. Itâs just a load of moaners and whiners, if you donât like the shift pattern, time away from home, holidays, pay and or anything else DONT TAKE THE FRIGGIN JOB!
In addition if youâre backside is twitching on the basis that sub contractors might come in and steal youâre gravy train. Get real, it happened in general haulage ages and ages ago. Wait till the Europeans are hauling to garages like they are with the general haulage trade.
Many an operation works 4x4 and do not get âshift premiumâ âdouble time Sundaysâ and get a flat rate, pure and simple.
Taken to itâs logical conclusion what youâre saying would mean going backwards until everyone (except bankers,MPâs and management) ends up getting a âflat rateâ regardless of what they do and what shifts theyâre on which would just be the minimum wage (assuming that the government doesnât get rid of that too in the interests of âcompetitivenessâ) all done on the basis if you donât like the job leave. 
wills:
Oh and 4 on 4 off would be ace, we have asked time and time again for that, our shift pattern goes like this ⌠5am starts Days 5pm starts NightsMonday Tuesday Wednesday days off Thursday
In Friday Saturday Sunday Monday Nights
Off The rest of Tuesday Wednesday back in days
Thursday Friday Saturday Sunday off Monday back in on nights
Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Weekend off and back round again
It seems obvious that a four on four off shift pattern would help to sort some of the flexibility problems in the operation .But personally I do think that youâve got some room for improvement in the existing wage structure and enforced overtime situation in addition to all that.So four on four off 10 hour shifts with âoptionalâ overtime and double time for Sundays would be a good place for the union to start at around ÂŁ500 per week. 
By the way thereâs no way that Iâd do alternating day and night shifts on that type of rota.You need at least a month days then a month nights to stand a chance of adapting and being alert at the different times.
Carryfast:
Spacemonkeypg:
Carryfast:
wills:
what iâm trying to say is that its not Optional, eg working a rest day etc and iâm not moaning about what I earn⌠but I will moan about the fact that people get what I earn wrong.Blimey why does everyone what ever you write on here just want to have a go and shoot ya down.
Not me.If Iâve read it right itâs around ÂŁ750 per week
So allowing for at least the double time which you get for Sundays and shift premiums taken out of that ÂŁ750 per week leaves ? per hour basic pay for around 60 hours per week.
The holiday issue I donât get.I used to get 25 working days (actually nights because I was a night trunk driver) + bank holidays and it wasnât unusual for me to ask for 20 of those days off in the Summer for one holiday leaving a week/5 days which had to be held over for the Christmas break.
Itâs twaddle but well done on not mentioning Thatcher, Heath, Hitler, Miners, 1920 and Jurassic park
You might as well put youâre hand in a fire then complain about the type of burn. Iâm so hard done by brigade my job is harder and more dangerous than anyone elseâs brigade, gets a little boring after a while. Teachers compare holidays to oil platform workers, truck drivers compare time away from home to armed service personnel. Itâs just a load of moaners and whiners, if you donât like the shift pattern, time away from home, holidays, pay and or anything else DONT TAKE THE FRIGGIN JOB!
In addition if youâre backside is twitching on the basis that sub contractors might come in and steal youâre gravy train. Get real, it happened in general haulage ages and ages ago. Wait till the Europeans are hauling to garages like they are with the general haulage trade.
Many an operation works 4x4 and do not get âshift premiumâ âdouble time Sundaysâ and get a flat rate, pure and simple.
Taken to itâs logical conclusion what youâre saying would mean going backwards until everyone (except bankers,MPâs and management) ends up getting a âflat rateâ regardless of what they do and what shifts theyâre on which would just be the minimum wage (assuming that the government doesnât get rid of that too in the interests of âcompetitivenessâ) all done on the basis if you donât like the job leave.
Sorry i forgot youâre â â â â â for bankers too 
Spacemonkeypg:
Carryfast:
Spacemonkeypg:
Carryfast:
wills:
what iâm trying to say is that its not Optional, eg working a rest day etc and iâm not moaning about what I earn⌠but I will moan about the fact that people get what I earn wrong.Blimey why does everyone what ever you write on here just want to have a go and shoot ya down.
Not me.If Iâve read it right itâs around ÂŁ750 per week
So allowing for at least the double time which you get for Sundays and shift premiums taken out of that ÂŁ750 per week leaves ? per hour basic pay for around 60 hours per week.
The holiday issue I donât get.I used to get 25 working days (actually nights because I was a night trunk driver) + bank holidays and it wasnât unusual for me to ask for 20 of those days off in the Summer for one holiday leaving a week/5 days which had to be held over for the Christmas break.
Itâs twaddle but well done on not mentioning Thatcher, Heath, Hitler, Miners, 1920 and Jurassic park
You might as well put youâre hand in a fire then complain about the type of burn. Iâm so hard done by brigade my job is harder and more dangerous than anyone elseâs brigade, gets a little boring after a while. Teachers compare holidays to oil platform workers, truck drivers compare time away from home to armed service personnel. Itâs just a load of moaners and whiners, if you donât like the shift pattern, time away from home, holidays, pay and or anything else DONT TAKE THE FRIGGIN JOB!
In addition if youâre backside is twitching on the basis that sub contractors might come in and steal youâre gravy train. Get real, it happened in general haulage ages and ages ago. Wait till the Europeans are hauling to garages like they are with the general haulage trade.
Many an operation works 4x4 and do not get âshift premiumâ âdouble time Sundaysâ and get a flat rate, pure and simple.
Taken to itâs logical conclusion what youâre saying would mean going backwards until everyone (except bankers,MPâs and management) ends up getting a âflat rateâ regardless of what they do and what shifts theyâre on which would just be the minimum wage (assuming that the government doesnât get rid of that too in the interests of âcompetitivenessâ) all done on the basis if you donât like the job leave.
Sorry i forgot youâre â â â â â for bankers too
Too right because itâs mostly those zb zbâs that have got the economy where it is now with a bit of help from their overpaid cronies in the government.But what Iâve read here about sub contractors is that theyâre quite capable of undercutting the job down to a level where they canât even afford a set of tyres let alone pay their drivers or themselves enough to keep the wheels turning. 
daveb0789:
Not saying the tanker driver is overpaid - but that the typical bus driver (outside of London) is very underpaid. Is there a âhierarchyâ of driving jobs? According to the national statistics standard occupational classifications (NS-SEC)ons.gov.uk/ons/guide-method/ ⌠method.doc
both jobs are classified as routine manual requiring relatively little on
the job training compared with a mechanic for example.
Yeah right you think that a bus driver should be paid the same as a class 1 fuel tanker job.Iâd tak the bus driving job thanks,if I was looking and had the choice just so long as itâs not London (just Surrey or Sussex ) for less money would be ok.No surprise that itâs those jobs that thereâs rarely,if ever,vacancies on but London buses are often looking for drivers. 
Carryfast:
Spacemonkeypg:
Carryfast:
Spacemonkeypg:
Carryfast:
wills:
what iâm trying to say is that its not Optional, eg working a rest day etc and iâm not moaning about what I earn⌠but I will moan about the fact that people get what I earn wrong.Blimey why does everyone what ever you write on here just want to have a go and shoot ya down.
Not me.If Iâve read it right itâs around ÂŁ750 per week
So allowing for at least the double time which you get for Sundays and shift premiums taken out of that ÂŁ750 per week leaves ? per hour basic pay for around 60 hours per week.
The holiday issue I donât get.I used to get 25 working days (actually nights because I was a night trunk driver) + bank holidays and it wasnât unusual for me to ask for 20 of those days off in the Summer for one holiday leaving a week/5 days which had to be held over for the Christmas break.
Itâs twaddle but well done on not mentioning Thatcher, Heath, Hitler, Miners, 1920 and Jurassic park
You might as well put youâre hand in a fire then complain about the type of burn. Iâm so hard done by brigade my job is harder and more dangerous than anyone elseâs brigade, gets a little boring after a while. Teachers compare holidays to oil platform workers, truck drivers compare time away from home to armed service personnel. Itâs just a load of moaners and whiners, if you donât like the shift pattern, time away from home, holidays, pay and or anything else DONT TAKE THE FRIGGIN JOB!
In addition if youâre backside is twitching on the basis that sub contractors might come in and steal youâre gravy train. Get real, it happened in general haulage ages and ages ago. Wait till the Europeans are hauling to garages like they are with the general haulage trade.
Many an operation works 4x4 and do not get âshift premiumâ âdouble time Sundaysâ and get a flat rate, pure and simple.
Taken to itâs logical conclusion what youâre saying would mean going backwards until everyone (except bankers,MPâs and management) ends up getting a âflat rateâ regardless of what they do and what shifts theyâre on which would just be the minimum wage (assuming that the government doesnât get rid of that too in the interests of âcompetitivenessâ) all done on the basis if you donât like the job leave.
Sorry i forgot youâre â â â â â for bankers too
Too right because itâs mostly those zb zbâs that have got the economy where it is now with a bit of help from their overpaid cronies in the government.But what Iâve read here about sub contractors is that theyâre quite capable of undercutting the job down to a level where they canât even afford a set of tyres let alone pay their drivers or themselves enough to keep the wheels turning.
I would assume therefore that the sub-prime market is the fault of the government, conservatives, and Thatcher too? If a union and tanker drivers led the UK government all would be fine. We would all be living in harmony driving around in coal powered trucks in the knowledge that should we be greedy we can strike at the drop of a hat. We could also live in reality where as a person or company requires a service and can get it cheaper than where they currently are, they are fully entitled to do so. If it upsets a few drivers driving around on silk cushions then they can 
I would assume there was no p.o.a. doing Tanker work so how do they get round the 48 hour rule, do they stand drivers down when over hours?