No POA aranger and very rare anybody stood down unless truck / trailer off the road. We always manage god knows how just to always get the min required rest periods. And to be since doing this I haven’t really kept tabs, know you shouldn’t trust em…
Did make me smile after the slating I got on here for sharing exactly what we do and what we really earn then I read this about samworth bros
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what i’m trying to say is that its not Optional, eg working a rest day etc and i’m not moaning about what I earn… but I will moan about the fact that people get what I earn wrong.Blimey why does everyone what ever you write on here just want to have a go and shoot ya down.
Not me.If I’ve read it right it’s around £750 per week
to drive a class 1 tanker 5 days a week
So allowing for at least the double time which you get for Sundays and shift premiums taken out of that £750 per week leaves ? per hour basic pay for around 60 hours per week.
The holiday issue I don’t get.I used to get 25 working days (actually nights because I was a night trunk driver) + bank holidays and it wasn’t unusual for me to ask for 20 of those days off in the Summer for one holiday leaving a week/5 days which had to be held over for the Christmas break.
It’s twaddle but well done on not mentioning Thatcher, Heath, Hitler, Miners, 1920 and Jurassic park
You might as well put you’re hand in a fire then complain about the type of burn. I’m so hard done by brigade my job is harder and more dangerous than anyone else’s brigade, gets a little boring after a while. Teachers compare holidays to oil platform workers, truck drivers compare time away from home to armed service personnel. It’s just a load of moaners and whiners, if you don’t like the shift pattern, time away from home, holidays, pay and or anything else DONT TAKE THE FRIGGIN JOB!
In addition if you’re backside is twitching on the basis that sub contractors might come in and steal you’re gravy train. Get real, it happened in general haulage ages and ages ago. Wait till the Europeans are hauling to garages like they are with the general haulage trade.
Many an operation works 4x4 and do not get “shift premium” “double time Sundays” and get a flat rate, pure and simple.
Taken to it’s logical conclusion what you’re saying would mean going backwards until everyone (except bankers,MP’s and management) ends up getting a ‘flat rate’ regardless of what they do and what shifts they’re on which would just be the minimum wage (assuming that the government doesn’t get rid of that too in the interests of ‘competitiveness’) all done on the basis if you don’t like the job leave.
Sorry i forgot you’re ■■■■■ for bankers too
Too right because it’s mostly those zb zb’s that have got the economy where it is now with a bit of help from their overpaid cronies in the government.But what I’ve read here about sub contractors is that they’re quite capable of undercutting the job down to a level where they can’t even afford a set of tyres let alone pay their drivers or themselves enough to keep the wheels turning.
I would assume therefore that the sub-prime market is the fault of the government, conservatives, and Thatcher too? If a union and tanker drivers led the UK government all would be fine. We would all be living in harmony driving around in coal powered trucks in the knowledge that should we be greedy we can strike at the drop of a hat. We could also live in reality where as a person or company requires a service and can get it cheaper than where they currently are, they are fully entitled to do so. If it upsets a few drivers driving around on silk cushions then they can
I think it was Thatcher who provided Reagan with the inspiration and the ideas of how to zb up the US economy by looking to cheaper foreign workers and slashing terms and conditions in industry of those few jobs that remained in order to provide those so called ‘cheaper’ services.Which is what started the issues in the banking industry because US workers could no longer afford their mortgages and then just handed their keys in and went to live in tents and caravans like a load of ‘travellers’.
Meanwhile over here Thatcher made sure that we haven’t now got any access to our own coal supplies in large amounts and flogged off our own gas and oil supplies so they’ve run out too so now we’re a net importer of energy which means higher energy bills.While your idea of wages just means less money to pay for them just like all the other costs in the economy that aren’t being reflected in wages.That’s why the economy is zb’d after more than 30 years of your ideas not mine.
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what i’m trying to say is that its not Optional, eg working a rest day etc and i’m not moaning about what I earn… but I will moan about the fact that people get what I earn wrong.Blimey why does everyone what ever you write on here just want to have a go and shoot ya down.
Not me.If I’ve read it right it’s around £750 per week
So allowing for at least the double time which you get for Sundays and shift premiums taken out of that £750 per week leaves ? per hour basic pay for around 60 hours per week.
The holiday issue I don’t get.I used to get 25 working days (actually nights because I was a night trunk driver) + bank holidays and it wasn’t unusual for me to ask for 20 of those days off in the Summer for one holiday leaving a week/5 days which had to be held over for the Christmas break.
It’s twaddle but well done on not mentioning Thatcher, Heath, Hitler, Miners, 1920 and Jurassic park
You might as well put you’re hand in a fire then complain about the type of burn. I’m so hard done by brigade my job is harder and more dangerous than anyone else’s brigade, gets a little boring after a while. Teachers compare holidays to oil platform workers, truck drivers compare time away from home to armed service personnel. It’s just a load of moaners and whiners, if you don’t like the shift pattern, time away from home, holidays, pay and or anything else DONT TAKE THE FRIGGIN JOB!
In addition if you’re backside is twitching on the basis that sub contractors might come in and steal you’re gravy train. Get real, it happened in general haulage ages and ages ago. Wait till the Europeans are hauling to garages like they are with the general haulage trade.
Many an operation works 4x4 and do not get “shift premium” “double time Sundays” and get a flat rate, pure and simple.
Taken to it’s logical conclusion what you’re saying would mean going backwards until everyone (except bankers,MP’s and management) ends up getting a ‘flat rate’ regardless of what they do and what shifts they’re on which would just be the minimum wage (assuming that the government doesn’t get rid of that too in the interests of ‘competitiveness’) all done on the basis if you don’t like the job leave.
Sorry i forgot you’re ■■■■■ for bankers too
Too right because it’s mostly those zb zb’s that have got the economy where it is now with a bit of help from their overpaid cronies in the government.But what I’ve read here about sub contractors is that they’re quite capable of undercutting the job down to a level where they can’t even afford a set of tyres let alone pay their drivers or themselves enough to keep the wheels turning.
I would assume therefore that the sub-prime market is the fault of the government, conservatives, and Thatcher too? If a union and tanker drivers led the UK government all would be fine. We would all be living in harmony driving around in coal powered trucks in the knowledge that should we be greedy we can strike at the drop of a hat. We could also live in reality where as a person or company requires a service and can get it cheaper than where they currently are, they are fully entitled to do so. If it upsets a few drivers driving around on silk cushions then they can
I think it was Thatcher who provided Reagan with the inspiration and the ideas of how to zb up the US economy by looking to cheaper foreign workers and slashing terms and conditions in industry of those few jobs that remained in order to provide those so called ‘cheaper’ services.Which is what started the issues in the banking industry because US workers could no longer afford their mortgages and then just handed their keys in and went to live in tents and caravans like a load of ‘travellers’.
Meanwhile over here Thatcher made sure that we haven’t now got any access to our own coal supplies in large amounts and flogged off our own gas and oil supplies so they’ve run out too so now we’re a net importer of energy which means higher energy bills.While your idea of wages just means less money to pay for them just like all the other costs in the economy that aren’t being reflected in wages.That’s why the economy is zb’d after more than 30 years of yourideas not mine.
I forgot i told you about my ideas and my idea of wages 
Anyway i think you’re missing re runs of dads army
could always leave and do general haulage or fridges no one is forcing you too stay on tankers your choice too do it
Absolutely right topmixer, think I’ve already written similar in the other posts. But you never know now they are in talks with ACAS a few issues might get sorted. Its got to the stage where I aint that bothered either way, i’d have been redundant last year after Hoyer Shell got rid of 130 of us accross the contract luckily hoyer esso had a few positions here, after they closed the manchester terminal and took on 15 for us. And the truth is any of us in a job at the moment are lucky to have it, and the employers certainly know it.
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Its got to the stage where I aint that bothered either way, i’d have been redundant last year after Hoyer Shell got rid of 130 of us accross the contract luckily hoyer esso had a few positions here, after they closed the manchester terminal and took on 15 for us. And the truth is any of us in a job at the moment are lucky to have it, and the employers certainly know it.
If that’s the majority view amongst the drivers together with the views by many workers towards going through picket lines and the government’s ability to use the army added to that I wouldn’t want to be on the union side in those talks.
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Oh and 4 on 4 off would be ace, we have asked time and time again for that, our shift pattern goes like this … 5am starts Days 5pm starts NightsMonday Tuesday Wednesday days off Thursday
In Friday Saturday Sunday Monday Nights
Off The rest of Tuesday Wednesday back in days
Thursday Friday Saturday Sunday off Monday back in on nights
Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Weekend off and back round again
A mate of mine went on the petrol about 5 years ago and was at me to get in there too as there were vacancies. Now the fact he said there were vacancies on this work which as all the guvnors and their toadies know is the best made me stop and think a bit. When I asked him the pertinent questions he told me pretty much what Wills has laid out, almost identical. I told him I’d be staying where I was and thought he was barking to get on it.
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Oh and 4 on 4 off would be ace, we have asked time and time again for that, our shift pattern goes like this … 5am starts Days 5pm starts NightsMonday Tuesday Wednesday days off Thursday
In Friday Saturday Sunday Monday Nights
Off The rest of Tuesday Wednesday back in days
Thursday Friday Saturday Sunday off Monday back in on nights
Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Weekend off and back round againA mate of mine went on the petrol about 5 years ago and was at me to get in there too as there were vacancies. When I asked him the pertinent questions he told me pretty much what Wills has laid out, almost identical. I told him I’d be staying where I was and thought he was barking to get on it.
I’m not suprised.That’s what I’d have said.
How is it you can only book 5 working days a year off? Or is it because twenty of your ‘rest’ days are actually allocated holidays?
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How is it you can only book 5 working days a year off? Or is it because twenty of your ‘rest’ days are actually allocated holidays?
no rest days are just that, wherever they fall on your shift patter. I have no idea starfighter how or why anyone agreed to it, but i’d guess when esso decided not to continue distribution direct and made the old lads redundant only to re-employ them via the new contractors - it would have been a case of there it is the new t and c’s like it or lump it.
Hoyer stands for HAND OVER YOUR EMPLOYMENT RIGHTS I agree with Willis all the talk here is about pay, hours etc its NOT about pay. Again hoyer rep been spreading rubbish about £47,000 per year wages i to work for hoyer WE DO NOT GET THAT our basic pay is about £27,000 we do not get Time and a half for bank holidays or any overtime its all a flat rate. but unlike other drivers we stuck together and we fought for our Ts and Cs and we don’t want them taken away. Every six weeks on our shift pattern we get 10 days OFF but before you start shouting i wished i did WE DO NOT GET PAID for those 10 days so we sell back our holidays and work overtime.If any available. If you breakdown or get a puncture we DO NOT get paid for the first hour of THAT or ANY delay. Some company’s pay there tanker drivers £47.000 per year so what good luck to them i wished i was on it but I’m not.So guys please stop moaning and saying its all greed its not about pay its about enough is enough. please ask and you will get the true facts of what we earn. As regards training its no were near as good now as it was at the end of ESSO days and start of Hoyers day. I have also been told and seen some terrible things were drivers have only been on job for a couple of 3 days and let loose with 44,000 ltrs of petrol behind them.Yes we know there are numptees doing this job even in hoyers.
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Hoyer stands for HAND OVER YOUR EMPLOYMENT RIGHTS I agree with Willis all the talk here is about pay, hours etc its NOT about pay. Again hoyer rep been spreading rubbish about £47,000 per year wages i to work for hoyer WE DO NOT GET THAT our basic pay is about £27,000 we do not get Time and a half for bank holidays or any overtime its all a flat rate. but unlike other drivers we stuck together and we fought for our Ts and Cs and we don’t want them taken away. Every six weeks on our shift pattern we get 10 days OFF but before you start shouting i wished i did WE DO NOT GET PAID for those 10 days so we sell back our holidays and work overtime.If any available. If you breakdown or get a puncture we DO NOT get paid for the first hour of THAT or ANY delay. Some company’s pay there tanker drivers £47.000 per year so what good luck to them i wished i was on it but I’m not.So guys please stop moaning and saying its all greed its not about pay its about enough is enough. please ask and you will get the true facts of what we earn. As regards training its no were near as good now as it was at the end of ESSO days and start of Hoyers day. I have also been told and seen some terrible things were drivers have only been on job for a couple of 3 days and let loose with 44,000 ltrs of petrol behind them.Yes we know there are numptees doing this job even in hoyers.
If it’s that bad why not get another job?
I’m sure there’s plenty would work for £27,000 basic plus overtime.
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Hoyer stands for HAND OVER YOUR EMPLOYMENT RIGHTS I agree with Willis all the talk here is about pay, hours etc its NOT about pay. Again hoyer rep been spreading rubbish about £47,000 per year wages i to work for hoyer WE DO NOT GET THAT our basic pay is about £27,000 we do not get Time and a half for bank holidays or any overtime its all a flat rate. but unlike other drivers we stuck together and we fought for our Ts and Cs and we don’t want them taken away. Every six weeks on our shift pattern we get 10 days OFF but before you start shouting i wished i did WE DO NOT GET PAID for those 10 days so we sell back our holidays and work overtime.If any available. If you breakdown or get a puncture we DO NOT get paid for the first hour of THAT or ANY delay. Some company’s pay there tanker drivers £47.000 per year so what good luck to them i wished i was on it but I’m not.So guys please stop moaning and saying its all greed its not about pay its about enough is enough. please ask and you will get the true facts of what we earn. As regards training its no were near as good now as it was at the end of ESSO days and start of Hoyers day. I have also been told and seen some terrible things were drivers have only been on job for a couple of 3 days and let loose with 44,000 ltrs of petrol behind them.Yes we know there are numptees doing this job even in hoyers.
Oh, I do luuuurve an acronym. Got any more (original) ones? 
Soldier z i did not say anything about it been a bad job all i did was tell people what we earn and how lot of people think that if they hear £47.000 wages on this forum and in the press its true well its not thats all i’am saying i was in general haulage for a lot of years yes the pay is crap and the T&cs but i know some drivers will take any type of crap off company’s to keep there jobs i don’t blame them jobs are hard to get but drivers never stick together for better pay etc i have even seen drivers been told no pay rise this year guys but will give You a nice big shiny daf instead at least we stuck together to get our money and shifts etc so that’s why we don’t bend over backwards when they been taken off us.
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Hoyer stands for HAND OVER YOUR EMPLOYMENT RIGHTS I agree with Willis all the talk here is about pay, hours etc its NOT about pay. Again hoyer rep been spreading rubbish about £47,000 per year wages i to work for hoyer WE DO NOT GET THAT our basic pay is about £27,000 we do not get Time and a half for bank holidays or any overtime its all a flat rate. but unlike other drivers we stuck together and we fought for our Ts and Cs and we don’t want them taken away.
Blimey what I’ve read of the job it looks just the opposite of one in which anyone stuck together in the past to keep terms and conditions at a decent level.It seems more like a case of trying to get them back to decent levels than stopping anything from being ‘taken away’.It looks to me like they’ve been taken away already now it’s an uphill struggle to get them back . 
If it was me I’d be looking for a 40 hour week,preferably 10 hours a day four on four off,minimum of one month night/day shift rota,and any overtime as optional on that job.
Even after that I’d be asking questions about how much work would actually be involved during those hours because it’s no good doing less hours if it involves the same amount of work having to be done in them.
Soldier z:
Fudge001:
Hoyer stands for HAND OVER YOUR EMPLOYMENT RIGHTS I agree with Willis all the talk here is about pay, hours etc its NOT about pay. Again hoyer rep been spreading rubbish about £47,000 per year wages i to work for hoyer WE DO NOT GET THAT our basic pay is about £27,000 we do not get Time and a half for bank holidays or any overtime its all a flat rate. but unlike other drivers we stuck together and we fought for our Ts and Cs and we don’t want them taken away. Every six weeks on our shift pattern we get 10 days OFF but before you start shouting i wished i did WE DO NOT GET PAID for those 10 days so we sell back our holidays and work overtime.If any available. If you breakdown or get a puncture we DO NOT get paid for the first hour of THAT or ANY delay. Some company’s pay there tanker drivers £47.000 per year so what good luck to them i wished i was on it but I’m not.So guys please stop moaning and saying its all greed its not about pay its about enough is enough. please ask and you will get the true facts of what we earn. As regards training its no were near as good now as it was at the end of ESSO days and start of Hoyers day. I have also been told and seen some terrible things were drivers have only been on job for a couple of 3 days and let loose with 44,000 ltrs of petrol behind them.Yes we know there are numptees doing this job even in hoyers.If it’s that bad why not get another job?
I’m sure there’s plenty would work for £27,000 basic plus overtime.
Any old parcels carrier based inside the M25 pays that… Albeit including london weighting, but here’s the whole point - These wages are always talked of INCLUSIVE of just about every allowance under the sun that few, if anyone gets. It’s all about turning the public against “greedy” drivers in the same way it was done against the miners.
Bankers are greedy. They drive down wages for anyone outside of a suit, then offer credit so people can still get the shopping in and pay the bills. When people borrow money, they are under the impression that their rising wages over time will help reduce the debt. Wages no longer rise, but interest rates have not come down despite falling to 0.5% base rates!
All a total fiddle of the public…
I reckon the main reasons stopping the British Public doing anything about these minority public enemies are:-
(1) Lack of Solidarity - I’m alright jack culture. If the tanker drivers DID all go out on strike, how many agency would turn down a free ADR course and £15ph to cover for it? - I’d be sorely tempted!
(2) Apathy. Most people don’t give a ■■■■ when they can’t see it, and by the time they CAN see it it’s too late to do anything about it. Much like Religious Faith really… 
(3) Ignorance. Most people don’t understand why Einstein said “Compound Interest is the most powerful force in the universe”. He was stating that as a Jew rather than as a Scientist. Fancy financial shenannigans are the reason for a lot of the entire western world’s ills these days. Most of them are manufactured by jews, be they bankers, stores, or supermarkets. (This is the bit where DM censors me, but it’s gotta be said!) Price manipulation, manufactured inflation, low returns on investments, high charges to investments, and of course the big lie of “future earnings will make repayments easier”. We shouldn’t need borrowings in the first place just to get by - a fault of over-produced and pushed credit like it was some kind of Opium. Karl Marx got it wrong. Religion isn’t the opium of the People - Credit is! 
(4) Fear. “If I try and do something about it, my job will just be given to someone else”…
I’ve got a mortgage to pay like many others. When my pay/terms & conditions got threatened in my full time job, I decided to chuck it in and “go low” rather than have my life eroded on someone else’s terms. At least Austerity on my own terms has me with 6 months off a year for not much less than what I was on when I left! I’m not working 50-60 hours a week for the rest of my life anymore with only enough earnings to “service” debts and pay bills & food. As I’ve said in previous posts, I’d rather keep all of £18k of earnings rather than work double the hours, and only take home barely £5k more…
There are too many people in the world today for this “old” economy based on Nil Sum “One guy has millions, and 1000 families go without” system. I’m no socialist - I’m a capitalist! - BUT I believe in Capitalism with no safeguards for those already at the top. You go bust, you DON’T get bailed out. Your company goes under, You lose everything you have, because that’s the risk you took when you started on the path to riches, as people at the bottom do when their fledgling business folds. Anything else is just a complete corruption of what capitalism was originally all about.
No one would have wished the late Steve Jobs any harm - Making his millions the honest way. But what of bankers, who’s commissions were extracted on a “churn and burn” basis from pension pots that shrink each year, NOT because people are living longer (another lie from the top!) but instead because the pot keeps getting looted by management charges and straight-forward investment incompetence! 
Now, shall I stand as Medway candidate for Ukip or BNP? 
Religion isn’t the opium of the People - Debt is!
FTFY!
A few words from one of the worlds’ greatest industrialists, Henry Ford.
It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.
And therein lies the problem. They don’t understand and many don’t want to, frightened to lose their crumbs from the rich mans’ table.
And a few more…
A business that makes nothing but money is a poor business.
Quite appropriate considering how we got in the mess we’re in today.
I wish I could run my car on hot air - this thread would keep me going for a week.
I thought you used reindeer power?
