Solly:
The government won’t do anything to ease or reduce fuel prices because they employ the “Divide and Rule” principle. As long as they have those who sit in the - “Economic comfort zone” - fighting those who are not, then their job is more than half done.
The population are distracted through the in-fighting between themselves.
Governments rely on this as they can turn round and say - “The people of the Britain generally accept that Austerity measures are a necessity”.
Anyone recognise this mendacious crap■■? Then if you don’t you should as it is repeated ad nauseum everyday.
Look people you have to accept that under successive governments - especially modern neoliberal leaning governments - and the Corporations and large business’ and financial institutions that fund and elect them - You are not supposed to have money and they will do everything within their power to ensure you don’t have it..
Support the strikers and demonstrators against this injustice.
There are mainly two reasons why the government wants indirect taxation like road fuel taxes.Firstly if it was all put on income tax instead the highest income groups would be paying a much larger proportion of the tax load and secondly,in the case of road fuel taxation,the idea is to force a lot more people and freight onto rail and air transport,than would be the case if there weren’t any road fuel taxes.
I agree insomuch that if Corporations, financial institutons, and banks paid their taxes there wouldn’t be any need to load indirect taxation onto fuel and we wouldn’t be in the austerity situation we find ourselves today.
As you say - if they made their Corporate buddies pay tax at the given rate, governments would be in zb street when it came to election funding.
Carryfast:
The only other reason why anyone would want road fuel taxes kept as they are and for the road transport industry to then pass those costs on to the customer would be if they are rail freight industry supporters or the zb stupid commie green party zb’s.
where did i by saying, or by agreeing with what BBR said, who agreed with VAS, say or imply i’m happy with the amount of fuel tax?
Because,according to him,the issue ‘isn’t’ one of rip off taxation and rigging of the transport market through road fuel taxation.He seems to think that it’s just a case of hauliers failing to just accept the situation and the government’s policies,by not passing on all the extra costs to their customers and/or evolve by just doing the local work and/or oversized loads,which the rail freight or air transport industry can’t do,because of the fuel cost disadvantages which the road transport industry has to work under.
Which,for many road transport operators,in the real world,would mean commercial suicide.
The fact is that the road transport industry in general has probably reached the point of having to make that choice in many cases.
Solly:
The government won’t do anything to ease or reduce fuel prices because they employ the “Divide and Rule” principle. As long as they have those who sit in the - “Economic comfort zone” - fighting those who are not, then their job is more than half done.
The population are distracted through the in-fighting between themselves.
Governments rely on this as they can turn round and say - “The people of the Britain generally accept that Austerity measures are a necessity”.
Anyone recognise this mendacious crap■■? Then if you don’t you should as it is repeated ad nauseum everyday.
Look people you have to accept that under successive governments - especially modern neoliberal leaning governments - and the Corporations and large business’ and financial institutions that fund and elect them - You are not supposed to have money and they will do everything within their power to ensure you don’t have it..
Support the strikers and demonstrators against this injustice.
There are mainly two reasons why the government wants indirect taxation like road fuel taxes.Firstly if it was all put on income tax instead the highest income groups would be paying a much larger proportion of the tax load and secondly,in the case of road fuel taxation,the idea is to force a lot more people and freight onto rail and air transport,than would be the case if there weren’t any road fuel taxes.
I agree insomuch that if Corporations, financial institutons, and banks paid their taxes there wouldn’t be any need to load indirect taxation onto fuel and we wouldn’t be in the austerity situation we find ourselves today.
As you say - if they made their Corporate buddies pay tax at the given rate, governments would be in zb street when it came to election funding.
I think you need to seperate the motives behind the idea of high road fuel taxation in regards to private road users in general and the road transport industry.
The former is all about saving the higher earners being taxed more than they would be if road fuel taxation was all put on income tax instead and the latter is mostly about looking after the interests of the government’s big business cronies in the rail freight and air transport industries.
No surprise that in this so called ‘austerity situation’ that ‘we’re all supposed to be in together’,it’s only the higher earners who seem to be able to ask for (and get) a large scale ‘reduction’ in their (taxation liabilities) by calling for a reduction in the 50p higher rate of income tax even that rate itself having already been reduced massively since the 1970’s.
Do you actually take time to read any responses to your comments, or do you deliberately set out to be confrontational?
Nite Nite.
There’s no reason as to why any of that should have been regarded as confrontational .Although I’d guess that any of those who benefit from the idea,of high road fuel taxation (like high earners and rail freight operators) would probably obviously view it as that.
I was just stating the reasoning behind why it is that road fuel is being taxed at a level that outweighs the value of the product itself and as in most cases it’s easy to sort out who is to blame for the situation by asking the question who gains from this.
If freight goes by rail its lorries that take it to the rail head and lorries that collect it from the rail head.So in my opinion the rail option doesn’t work.
Dave the Renegade:
If freight goes by rail its lorries that take it to the rail head and lorries that collect it from the rail head.So in my opinion the rail option doesn’t work.
The rail option does work if you’re a rail freight operator but not if you’re a road transport operator.The rail freight industry is a competitor and an enemy of road transport.The fact is that both industries need long distance work as much as each other to survive but the rail freight industry has government intervention on it’s side.It’s suicidal for the road transport industry to help the rail freight industry and the government by co operating with inter modal zb work.
Why just a fuel protest, extra costs in the last few years ,Driver cpc, The silly WTD, Adblue,euro 3,4,5,6, not to mention the Quarry industry own little cost convayor ie H AND S ect ect.New motors have gone through the roof so why only wine on about fuel.
Dave the Renegade:
If freight goes by rail its lorries that take it to the rail head and lorries that collect it from the rail head.So in my opinion the rail option doesn’t work.
The rail option does work if you’re a rail freight operator but not if you’re a road transport operator.The rail freight industry is a competitor and an enemy of road transport.The fact is that both industries need long distance work as much as each other to survive but the rail freight industry has government intervention on it’s side.It’s suicidal for the road transport industry to help the rail freight industry and the government by co operating with inter modal zb work.
so just to be clear, if road haulage loses all the long distance work, then road haulage will not survive. change the medication man
Dave the Renegade:
If freight goes by rail its lorries that take it to the rail head and lorries that collect it from the rail head.So in my opinion the rail option doesn’t work.
The rail option does work if you’re a rail freight operator but not if you’re a road transport operator.The rail freight industry is a competitor and an enemy of road transport.The fact is that both industries need long distance work as much as each other to survive but the rail freight industry has government intervention on it’s side.It’s suicidal for the road transport industry to help the rail freight industry and the government by co operating with inter modal zb work.
so just to be clear, if road haulage loses all the long distance work, then road haulage will not survive. change the medication man
Suggest you check out the recent history of the growth of the road transport industry at least over the last 65 years and then consider where it would have been over that period if you factor out the switch of long distance freight traffic from rail freight to road that took place over that period.It probably also explains the growth of the Canadian road transport industry compared to the contraction of the US one in recent years.
Dave the Renegade:
If freight goes by rail its lorries that take it to the rail head and lorries that collect it from the rail head.So in my opinion the rail option doesn’t work.
The rail option does work if you’re a rail freight operator but not if you’re a road transport operator.The rail freight industry is a competitor and an enemy of road transport.The fact is that both industries need long distance work as much as each other to survive but the rail freight industry has government intervention on it’s side.It’s suicidal for the road transport industry to help the rail freight industry and the government by co operating with inter modal zb work.
so just to be clear, if road haulage loses all the long distance work, then road haulage will not survive. change the medication man
Suggest you check out the recent history of the growth of the road transport industry at least over the last 65 years and then consider where it would have been over that period if you factor out the switch of long distance freight traffic from rail freight to road that took place over that period.It probably also explains the growth of the Canadian road transport industry compared to the contraction of the US one.
so just to be clear, if road haulage loses all the long distance work, then road haulage will not survive. change the medication man
Dave the Renegade:
If freight goes by rail its lorries that take it to the rail head and lorries that collect it from the rail head.So in my opinion the rail option doesn’t work.
The rail option does work if you’re a rail freight operator but not if you’re a road transport operator.The rail freight industry is a competitor and an enemy of road transport.The fact is that both industries need long distance work as much as each other to survive but the rail freight industry has government intervention on it’s side.It’s suicidal for the road transport industry to help the rail freight industry and the government by co operating with inter modal zb work.
so just to be clear, if road haulage loses all the long distance work, then road haulage will not survive. change the medication man
Suggest you check out the recent history of the growth of the road transport industry at least over the last 65 years and then consider where it would have been over that period if you factor out the switch of long distance freight traffic from rail freight to road that took place over that period.It probably also explains the growth of the Canadian road transport industry compared to the contraction of the US one.
so just to be clear, if road haulage loses all the long distance work, then road haulage will not survive. change the medication man
That’s the usual level of reasoned argument I’d expect from any raving CO2 bs believing green party activist.
Dave the Renegade:
If freight goes by rail its lorries that take it to the rail head and lorries that collect it from the rail head.So in my opinion the rail option doesn’t work.
The rail option does work if you’re a rail freight operator but not if you’re a road transport operator.The rail freight industry is a competitor and an enemy of road transport.The fact is that both industries need long distance work as much as each other to survive but the rail freight industry has government intervention on it’s side.It’s suicidal for the road transport industry to help the rail freight industry and the government by co operating with inter modal zb work.
so just to be clear, if road haulage loses all the long distance work, then road haulage will not survive. change the medication man
Suggest you check out the recent history of the growth of the road transport industry at least over the last 65 years and then consider where it would have been over that period if you factor out the switch of long distance freight traffic from rail freight to road that took place over that period.It probably also explains the growth of the Canadian road transport industry compared to the contraction of the US one.
so just to be clear, if road haulage loses all the long distance work, then road haulage will not survive. change the medication man
That’s the usual level of reasoned argument I’d expect from any raving CO2 bs believing green party activist.
joe public tend not to like loads of big trucks on the road, the, in my opinion minority of loud voiced, must be seen to be listening to, greenies are here to stay. to you say you shouldn’t work with rail firms as they are the enemy, you stick with your phone box, i’ll use my mobile.
who knows what it may bring, it didn’t look good for royal mail once the masses took up email, but then that brought ebay and mail order with it.
how many times has an unloading address been changed when you are halfway there ? for whatever reason the train is not going to turn around and go somewhere else, while it may be of use for certain things it will in no way get anywhere near replacing road transport on a grand scale as 90% of places do not hold stock anymore to save on warehousing costs and work on a just in time basis, this means the slightest production delay and it is not going to be on time for the train, a truck is more flexible with more methods of recovering time lost a train cannot do this, simples really even Carryfast with his vast knowledge of all things concerning transportation should be in a postion to grasp this basic fact I would have thought.
The Stobart train from Valencia only fills up because it is so ■■■■ cheap that the oranges go to the UK nearly free of charge just so that some idiot somwhere can fill in an Exel sheet proving that is has an 80% occupation rate.
I send hundreds of trailers every year via intermodal either boat or train and the biggest headache is the train with it,s never ending variety of excuses as to why it is going to be late ranging from the usual ones like leaves on the line and the wrong kind of snow to they do not why it is late, result being the only goods that we put on the train are those that have all the time in the world to get there, we will not even mention the 5 trailers that they lost that were supposed to come off the train in Luxembourg which they eventually found 4 days later in bloody hamburg nor the amount of trailers that they seem to have forgot to put on the train even though you have a confirming e-mail that they have been loaded.
.Although I’d guess that any of those who benefit from the idea,of high road fuel taxation (like high earners and rail freight operators) would probably obviously view it as that.
