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Here’s a thought on Fodens:From 1963 to 1973(ish), they produced lorries with the following cabs:
S21 “Mickey Mouse” type.
S34/S36/S39, options for fixed or tilting, split or single screen.
S40/S41 small Motor Panels type.
S90 big MP type.
S60 full and half cab versions.
S?, that other half-cab one on the dumpers
S80.Do you think that, if they had concentrated their design/drawing office efforts on one cab, they could have afforded a set of press tools and ended up with a decent steel cab to compete more strongly with the Continental manufacturers?
Just looking back a few threads I have found mswer . Thanks Tony
In responce to Saviem’s two previous posts in regard to Foden cab nicknames versus official Foden cab designations and model designations,and for the sake of historical accuracy and Saviem’s statement," For if nothing else Messers Fodens deserve accurate reporting of their designs, and also of their achievements",and at his suggestion,I have revised my Foden Cab List. As Saviem says,my original cab list could be interpreted as to mean that such nicknames as Sabrina,Spaceship and Sputnik were official Foden model names,when in actual fact they are regional nicknames - but because of the internet they are becoming univesally known and used.
However,to be fair on myself,I have never once stated that Sabrina,Spaceship,etc are official Foden cab model names.The revised Foden Cab List makes it quite clear that Cottage Loaf,Mickey Mouse,Sabrina,Spaceship and Sputnik are local nicknames.
FODEN CAB LIST ,REVISED:-
FODEN CAB MODELS:-
Local nicknames for certain cabs.
Foden W2,1932-1935.
Foden S2 Airstream Streamlined Cab,1935-1937.
Foden S9,1936-1938.
Foden S10,1938-1948.DG range cab.Also OG models.
Foden S15,1937-1948.OG.
S18 Flat Front,1948 - 1951.FE Two Stroke,FG.
S18 V-Front,1951-1957.FE Two Stroke,FG.
Foden S19,1948-1957.OG.
Foden FE4/8 Two Stroke Lorry model Cab,built by Boalloy,1952-1956.
Foden Half Cab,1953-1980.Dump Trucks.
Foden Twin Cabs,Crane Carrier,1960-1963.
Foden Low-Line full-width Cab,Crane Carrier,1963-1972.
Foden S20,1956 - 1968.
Foden S21,1958-1969. Nicknames:Mickey Mouse (1),Sabrina (2),Spaceship (3A),Sputnik (3B),Spaceship Sputnik (3C).
Foden S22 Tropical.Standard width? Mainly export.Nicknames:Spaceship,Sputnik,Mickey Mouse.
Foden S23 Tropical,narrow? Mainly Export.Nicknames:Spaceship,Sputnik,Mickey Mouse.
Foden S24 Tilt,1962 -1967. Nicknames: Cottage Loaf (4),Sabrina (5).
Foden S29 Tropical. Tropical version of the S20. Mainly export.
Foden S30 Tilt ,1966-1967.Pre-production version of the S34 Tilt.Nicknames:(4),Sabrina (5).
Foden S34 Tilt,1967-1970. 8 ft,2.5 in wide.Nicknames:(4),Sabrina (5).
Foden S35 Tilt,1967-1970.8 ft wide.Export.Nicknames:(4),Sabrina (5).
Foden S36 Fixed,1967-1970. 8 ft,2.5 in wide.Nicknames:(4),Sabrina (5).
Foden S37 Fixed,1967-1970. 8 ft wide.Export.Nicknames:(4),Sabrina (5).
Foden S38 Fixed,1970-1980.8 ft wide. Two windscreens.Export.Nicknames:(4),Sabrina (5).
Foden S39 Fixed,1970-1980.8 ft,2.5 in wide.Two windscreens.Nicknames:(4),Sabrina (5).
Foden S40.Motor Panels MkIII Cab.1968-1977.
Foden S41,with extended front end. Motor Panels MkIII Cab.1968-1977.
Foden S50 Half Cab,1969-1972.For on-highway tipper lorries.
Foden S51 Half Cab,1971-1979.For dumptrucks.
Foden S55 Half Cab,1979-1980.For dumptrucks.
Foden S60 Full Cab version of the S50,1970-1972.
Foden S70 Full Cab GRP version of the steel S60,1970-1972.
Foden S80,1973-1978,Mk1 into 1976,Mk2 1976-1978.
Foden S81,1974-1978.Fitted to 6x4 tractive units,it had an extended front grille panel.
Foden S83,1975-1979.
Foden S85,1978-1983.Based on the S83 and fitted to gritter-snowplough lorries.
Foden S90 Universal day,Universal sleeper,Super Haulmaster day,Civilian version,1976-1979.
Foden S90 Military version,1974-1983.
Foden S93,1978-1979.Haulmaster tractive unit.
Foden S95,1978-1980,Fleetmaster.
Foden S10 Mk1,Mk2,1978-1983.Fleetmaster and Haulmaster.
Foden S10 Mk3,1983-1997.Civilian and military versions.
Foden S10 Mk4,1987-1995.4000-Series and 3000-Series.
Foden S10 Mk5,1995-2001.
Foden S10 Narrow,1990-1998.Mk1 2000-Series,3000-Series.
Mk 2 2000-Series,3000-Series.
Alpha Mk1,1998-2002.
Alpha Mk2,2002-2006.
Foden had 48 differant standard production cabs from 1932 to 2006 to my knowledge,plus those listed below :-
Other cabs:-
Bowyer,late 1950s-early 1960s.Looked similar to the S20.
Certain other Fodens for the British market also had non-standard cabs.
Durimin Redhill,FE and FG models for Portland Blue Circle Cement.
Many export Fodens had locally produced and styled cabs.
Delta Cab,for the Australian market.
NOTE:The Foden Sabrina Cabs should not be confused with the ERF Sabrina model .There are plenty of references to Foden S24 Sabrina,S34 Sabrina,S36 Sabrina and S39 Sabrina Cabs on the Internet,including page 19 on this Foden Thoughts Thread :- TruckNetUK confirms the Foden Sabrina name at the top of page 19,“by Sepo » Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:12 pm when growimg up this model was always remarked to as the Sabrina cab… ERF also used the name on one of there rigid models with a bonnet on.”
And kindly includes a photograph of his father’s Foden S39 Sabrina 4AXB6/32 4x2 Articulated Lorry,ONE 347H,operated by Claribel Carriers,of Manchester.
And in my two posts on page 19,I comprehensively explain all the facts about the Foden Sabrina name .
As it has been pointed out several times by wise people,just because you have never heard of the Foden Sabrina name(it’s no big deal),does not mean to say that nobody else has heard of it,and indeed, uses the Foden Sabrina name!!! It wasn’t universal,it was used in certain areas of the UK - and on the fairgrounds! - but,as the wise people correctly say:The Internet is breaking down all the information barriers,so the Foden Sabrina name is becoming far better known!
FODEN CAB’S NICKNAMES.
- Mickey Mouse.In use from the 1960s to the present:-
S21 Mickey Mouse.Some of my friends and I (and other people) do not like this name for the Foden
S21 cab. It might be appropriate for Walt Disney’s Mickey Mouse cartoon character,but please
come on,it just is not a classy name for the stylish Foden S21 cab.
All the dictionaries,on line and in book form,that I have come across define the Mickey Mouse
name-term to mean corny,poor,third rate,dreadful,hopeless,etc - not one of these dictionaries
define it as meaning “warm” or as a term of “affection”.
The Mickey Mouse nickname for the S21 cab probably started in the Foden company! - not from the
managment - but from the cab building division where men proudly carried on the traditions
of coachbuilding by constructing lorry cabs made of wood and metal. Then along came the S21 GRP
cab,most of it’s structure made coachbuilding obsolete overnight,and the craftsmen coachbuilders
were horrified! They of course had a name for this S21 horror:Mickey Mouse! This so unflattering
nickname followed and haunted S21-cabbed lorries out of the factory.
2.Sabrina.In use in the early 1960s only:-
S21 Sabrina.Because if it’s curves,some road transport men,probably already inspired by the
ERF SF Sabrina…and Sabrina herself,nicknamed the S21 Sabrina in the early 1960s but this
name for the S21 didn’t last long.
3A,Spaceship,3B Sputnik and 3C Spaceship Sputnik.In use from 1958 to the present:-
S21 Spaceship,S21 Sputnik,S21 Spaceship Sputnik.Now these ARE classy names for the flamboyant
and stylish S21 cab! As TruckNetUK Member,Valkyrie,who is one of my friends,said more or less,
these names are glamourous,adventurous and charismatic because of their connection with the
present day Space Age (which started in 1957) Dan Dare,Flash Gordon,Space Exploration,Neil
Armstrong,First Man On The Moon and so on.
So the year was 1958,the new Space Age was very topical,the new Foden S21 Cab had fantastic styling and caused a sensation,all of which caused commercial vehicle journalists to very appropriatly use Spaceship and Sputnik as nicknames for the S21 cab.These names have been in use ever since.
4.Cottage Loaf.In use during the 1960s and 1970s:-
S24,S30,S34,S35,S36,S37,S38 and S39 Cottage Loaf.Just as both Lawrence Dunbar and Bewick confirmed the use of the SPUTNIK name for the S21 cab,they also confirmed the use of the Cottage Loaf name for the S24,S30,S34,S35,S36,S37,S38 and S39 cabs.Why the Cottage Loaf name? The cottage loaf has a shape which is round and bulbious,so maybe the curved and bulbious front end of this cab reminded road transport people of the cottage loaf.This is a minor nickname compared to the Sabrina nickname.
5.Sabrina.In use since at least the early 1970s to the present:-
S24,S30,S34,S35,S36,S37,S38 and S39 Sabrina.Foden introduced the S24 Tilt Cab in 1962,and the
the basic styling lived on in later variants until 1980.
As I,and a few other people have already pointed out on this forum and elsewhere on the Internet,
part of the styling consisted of a front panel which curved across the front of the cab,the front
panel also projected out from the base of the windscreen.These styling features were good enough
to inspire road transport people,and later travelling showmen,to nickname this cab the Sabrina,
as in the case of TRUCKNETUK Member,Sepo,and his friends in the early 1970s at least.
Local-Regional Nicknames.
With the exception of the S21 Spaceship and S21 Sputnik names,due to coverage in the Commercial
Motor,Commercial Vehicle,Motor Transport,Modern Transport journals,magazines,etc,all the other
names started off being regional.But some HCVS (Historic Commercial Vehicle Society) members
did say that all the names were regional:Some areas were Spaceship and Sputnik,while others
were Mickey Mouse and a few were S24-S39 Sabrina.And I am certain that not all showmen have
used,or have heard of,the Sabrina name - I did say SOME fairground people in my ERF Sabrina
posts.
I have shown that it is possiable to go forty years or more without learning of a certain name,
or subject,or story,whatever,even though you can be closely involved with associated subjects
which are related to these things that you have never learned of until all those years later,i.e.
Peter Davies and AEC Yellowline and Guy Greenline ranges,the AEC Service Engineer and the AEC
V8 engine,The Paul Is Dead Hoax - Paul McCartney,etc.But it’s been stated many times on the
internet that the internet is breaking down the information barriers,and making information
more generally available - Including the nicknames of Foden cabs.
The Internet.
My friends and I - and no doubt loads of other people - had never heard of the Cottage Loaf nickname for the Foden S24-S39 cabs until Lawrence Dunbar’s post on the Foden Thoughts thread,TruckNetUK,in July 2012. So it could well be that the internet turns up other previously unknown nicknames for Foden cabs and the cabs and/or models of other lorry makers.
Furthermore,the bulbious AEC Tin Front Mk III lorries might also have been nicknamed Sabrina,too,in certain parts of the United Kingdom…
But,as I say,among all of the above facts,because of the internet,Foden cab nicknames such as Spaceship,Sabrina and Sputnik are becoming really well known and universal.
RENÉE PILOT
