Cavlad:
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CJA1:
ers an old un, Don"t no model though? Cheers Chris.
FODEN CAB MODELS:-
Foden W2,1932-1935.
Foden S2 Airstream Streamlined Cab,1935-1937.
Foden S9,1936-1938.
Foden S10,1938-1948.DG range cab.Also OG models.
Foden S15,1937-1948.OG.
S18 Flat Front,1948 - 1951.FE Two Stroke,FG.
S18 V-Front,1951-1957.FE Two Stroke,FG.
Foden S19,1948-1957.OG.
Foden FE4/8 Two Stroke Lorry model Cab,built by Boalloy,1952-1956.
Foden Half Cab,1953-1980.Dump Trucks.
Foden Twin Cabs,Crane Carrier,1960-1963.
Foden Low-Line full-width Cab,Crane Carrier,1963-1972.
Foden S20,1956 - 1968.
Foden S21 Spaceship Sputnik,1958-1969.
Foden S22 Tropical Spaceship Sputnik.Standard width? Mainly export.
Foden S23 Tropical Spaceship Sputnik,narrow? Mainly Export.
Foden S24 Sabrina Tilt,1962 -1967.
Foden S29 Tropical. Tropical version of the S20. Mainly export.
Foden S30 Sabrina Tilt ,1966-1967.Pre-production version of the S34 Sabrina Tilt.
Foden S34 Sabrina Tilt,1967-1970. 8 ft,2.5 in wide.
Foden S35 Sabrina Tilt,1967-1970.8 ft wide.Export.
Foden S36 Sabrina Fixed,1967-1970. 8 ft,2.5 in wide.
Foden S37 Sabrina Fixed,1967-1970. 8 ft wide.Export.
Foden S38 Sabrina Fixed,1970-1980.8 ft wide. Two windscreens.Export.
Foden S39 Sabrina Fixed,1970-1980.8 ft,2.5 in wide.Two windscreens.
Foden S40.Motor Panels MkIII Cab.1968-1977.
Foden S41,with extended front end. Motor Panels MkIII Cab.1968-1977.
Foden S50 Half Cab,1969-1972.For on-highway tipper lorries.
Foden S51 Half Cab,1971-1979.For dumptrucks.
Foden S55 Half Cab,1979-1980.For dumptrucks.
Foden S60 Full Cab version of the S50,1970-1972.
Foden S70 Full Cab GRP version of the steel S60,1970-1972.
Foden S80,1973-1978,Mk1 into 1976,Mk2 1976-1978.
Foden S81,1974-1978.Fitted to 6x4 tractive units,it had an extended front grille panel.
Foden S83,1975-1979.
Foden S85,1978-1983.Based on the S83 and fitted to gritter-snowplough lorries.
Foden S90 Universal day,Universal sleeper,Super Haulmaster day,Civilian version,1976-1979.
Foden S90 Military version,1974-1983.
Foden S93,1978-1979.Haulmaster tractive unit.
Foden S95,1978-1980,Fleetmaster.
Foden S10 Mk1,Mk2,1978-1983.Fleetmaster and Haulmaster.
Foden S10 Mk3,1983-1997.Civilian and military versions.
Foden S10 Mk4,1987-1995.4000-Series and 3000-Series.
Foden S10 Mk5,1995-2001.
Foden S10 Narrow,1990-1998.Mk1 2000-Series,3000-Series.
Mk 2 2000-Series,3000-Series.
Alpha Mk1,1998-2002.
Alpha Mk2,2002-2006.
Foden had 48 differant standard production cabs from 1932 to 2006 
,plus those listed below :-
Other cabs:-
Bowyer,late 1950s-early 1960s.Looked similar to the S20.
Certain other Fodens for the British market also had non-standard cabs.
Durimin Redhill,FE and FG models for Portland Blue Circle Cement.
Many export Fodens had locally produced and styled cabs.
Delta Cab,for the Australian market.
NOTE:The Foden Sabrina Cabs should not be confused with the ERF Sabrina model .There are plenty of references to Foden S24 Sabrina,S34 Sabrina,S36 Sabrina and S39 Sabrina Cabs on the Internet,including page 19 on this Foden Thoughts Thread 
:- TruckNetUK confirms the Foden Sabrina name at the top of page 19,“by Sepo » Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:12 pm when growimg up this model was always remarked to as the Sabrina cab… ERF also used the name on one of there rigid models with a bonnet on.”
And kindly includes a photograph of his father’s Foden S39 Sabrina 4AXB6/32 4x2 Articulated Lorry,ONE 347H,operated by Claribel Carriers,of Manchester.
And in my two posts on page 19,I comprehensively explain all the facts about the Foden Sabrina name .
As it has been pointed out several times by wise people,just because you have never heard of the Foden Sabrina name(it’s no big deal),does not mean to say that nobody else has heard of it,and indeed, uses the Foden Sabrina name!!! 
It wasn’t universal,it was used in certain areas of the UK - and on the fairgrounds! - but,as the wise people correctly say:The Internet is breaking down all the information barriers,so the Foden Sabrina name is becoming far better known! .
RENÉE PILOT.
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Evening all,
Quite an exhaustive piece of research RENEE, may I ask that you clearly identify your sources, particularly as on your tabulation you attribute the nonclemature “Sabrina” against the Foden S24/S39 cabs, indicating, (perhaps eroniously), that this was a model name.
Likewise the nonclemature “Spaceship Sputnik”, against the S21/S23 cabs.
Are you perhaps confusing a “local” nickname for a particular cab variant, and by “slipping this in” to be an actual Foden model in your tabulation, creating potential confusion for interested parties, who may view these forums long after our demise!. For if nothing else Messers Fodens deserve accurate reporting of their designs, and also of their achievements.
Perhaps universally the “industry” termed the S21 type cab, as the “Micky Mouse”, a term of endearment, due to its visual similarity to Mr Disneys cartoon character. But this was a colloquial name, as I presume your assertion that “Sabrina”, applies to the later S34/36 models, but not, and this is the crux of my disagrement with your post, a Foden derived name.
In support of my argument, I would cite Foden publication 14.4.64, Artic and Heavy Haulage Tractor Units, 20/80tons, and Foden Publication, 24.6.65. Standard Range of Goods Vehicles 14/16ton 4wheel, 20/22ton 6wheel, 24/28ton 8wheel. Both can be read in conjunction with Foden Publication 23.4.65. This latter showing illustrations of no less than 11 cab variants, (7, S34/36, 1, S20, 1, s21, and 1 each S50 and 51.) In no case , in any publication is any cab described other than,“Tilt Cab”, or “Rigid mounted cab, Tilt cab styling”, and described as having “construction throughout of Fibreglass,which in itself is resistant to moisture, Termites etc” (yow do get many o them in Bilston, me mate)!!
Now I am no expert on Foden, the manufacturer, or its products. There are many who contribute to these forums who have forgotten more about Foden than I have learned. And I would welcome their comments, knowledge and and experiences on this particular subject.
For my own part I drove Fodens as a young man, S18, S20, S21, S34, S36, mainly with Gardner power, LK, LW, LX., 5 and 12speed, (mechanical, and air split). Both here in the UK, and in Europe. Later on in life, I was fortunate to mix with and meet many Foden staff members, from all areas of the company, all professional in whatever discipline they worked within. The only way that I ever recall any cab being refered to was by its numeric code, apart from the S21 series, again the “warm” term Micky Mouse being used.
Now if we move onto “Showland” For several decades I have been friends with the Jones family from Birmingham, and in particular Jimmy Jones who owned Stadium Commercials in Perry Bar. I could not even begin to calculate how many Foden lorries have passed between us!! All models, (some good, others perhaps less so). But never have I heard Jimmy, or his family ever refer to any Foden as a “Sabrina”! My only regret with Jimmy, was not taking up his offer to sell me the (perhaps only), remaining ex BSR Foden S20 integral van that sat in his yard for years.
Thinking about it I have never heard his father in law, Barry Sanson from Walsall a big Foden man, or Jimmys brother in law , Marcus, (Cromwell Commercials), or Oscar Johnson, Horace Kendrick, the genial Wood Brothers from Sittingbourne, Arthur Slater, (Tilling Group), Bob Anscombe down in Kent, or legions of other Foden men, ever refer to a S34/S36, as a “Sabrina”.
But that is not to say that in another part of the country “locals” may have used the term…but its not universal, either in use, or recognition. So should not be put alongside “Factory” model references, unless it is clearly stated as a regional “nick name”.
Cheerio for now.
Where does this fine example fit into the picture “Saviem” ? Apparently it was one of a number Thomas bought,ex Works Sandbach “cash on Collection” £1000 in around 1907 or so,the brass name plate on the front lettered “Dorothy” after one of Thomas’s daughters,my late aunt Dora as I knew her.Another of his steamers bore the name Sarah after my maternal grandmother.The old lad must have been well thought of at Fodens for them to go to the lengths of casting his daughters names in Brass !! Cheers Dennis.
Saviem:
FODEN CAB MODELS:-
Foden W2,1932-1935.
Foden S2 Airstream Streamlined Cab,1935-1937.
Foden S9,1936-1938.
Foden S10,1938-1948.DG range cab.Also OG models.
Foden S15,1937-1948.OG.
S18 Flat Front,1948 - 1951.FE Two Stroke,FG.
S18 V-Front,1951-1957.FE Two Stroke,FG.
Foden S19,1948-1957.OG.
Foden FE4/8 Two Stroke Lorry model Cab,built by Boalloy,1952-1956.
Foden Half Cab,1953-1980.Dump Trucks.
Foden Twin Cabs,Crane Carrier,1960-1963.
Foden Low-Line full-width Cab,Crane Carrier,1963-1972.
Foden S20,1956 - 1968.
Foden S21 Spaceship Sputnik,1958-1969.
Foden S22 Tropical Spaceship Sputnik.Standard width? Mainly export.
Foden S23 Tropical Spaceship Sputnik,narrow? Mainly Export.
Foden S24 Sabrina Tilt,1962 -1967.
Foden S29 Tropical. Tropical version of the S20. Mainly export.
Foden S30 Sabrina Tilt ,1966-1967.Pre-production version of the S34 Sabrina Tilt.
Foden S34 Sabrina Tilt,1967-1970. 8 ft,2.5 in wide.
Foden S35 Sabrina Tilt,1967-1970.8 ft wide.Export.
Foden S36 Sabrina Fixed,1967-1970. 8 ft,2.5 in wide.
Foden S37 Sabrina Fixed,1967-1970. 8 ft wide.Export.
Foden S38 Sabrina Fixed,1970-1980.8 ft wide. Two windscreens.Export.
Foden S39 Sabrina Fixed,1970-1980.8 ft,2.5 in wide.Two windscreens.
Foden S40.Motor Panels MkIII Cab.1968-1977.
Foden S41,with extended front end. Motor Panels MkIII Cab.1968-1977.
Foden S50 Half Cab,1969-1972.For on-highway tipper lorries.
Foden S51 Half Cab,1971-1979.For dumptrucks.
Foden S55 Half Cab,1979-1980.For dumptrucks.
Foden S60 Full Cab version of the S50,1970-1972.
Foden S70 Full Cab GRP version of the steel S60,1970-1972.
Foden S80,1973-1978,Mk1 into 1976,Mk2 1976-1978.
Foden S81,1974-1978.Fitted to 6x4 tractive units,it had an extended front grille panel.
Foden S83,1975-1979.
Foden S85,1978-1983.Based on the S83 and fitted to gritter-snowplough lorries.
Foden S90 Universal day,Universal sleeper,Super Haulmaster day,Civilian version,1976-1979.
Foden S90 Military version,1974-1983.
Foden S93,1978-1979.Haulmaster tractive unit.
Foden S95,1978-1980,Fleetmaster.
Foden S10 Mk1,Mk2,1978-1983.Fleetmaster and Haulmaster.
Foden S10 Mk3,1983-1997.Civilian and military versions.
Foden S10 Mk4,1987-1995.4000-Series and 3000-Series.
Foden S10 Mk5,1995-2001.
Foden S10 Narrow,1990-1998.Mk1 2000-Series,3000-Series.
Mk 2 2000-Series,3000-Series.
Alpha Mk1,1998-2002.
Alpha Mk2,2002-2006.Foden had 48 differant standard production cabs from 1932 to 2006
Other cabs:-
Bowyer,late 1950s-early 1960s.Looked similar to the S20.
Certain other Fodens for the British market also had non-standard cabs.
Durimin Redhill,FE and FG models for Portland Blue Circle Cement.
Many export Fodens had locally produced and styled cabs.
Delta Cab,for the Australian market.NOTE:The Foden Sabrina Cabs should not be confused with the ERF Sabrina model
And kindly includes a photograph of his father’s Foden S39 Sabrina 4AXB6/32 4x2 Articulated Lorry,ONE 347H,operated by Claribel Carriers,of Manchester.And in my two posts on page 19,I comprehensively explain all the facts about the Foden Sabrina name
As it has been pointed out several times by wise people,just because you have never heard of the Foden Sabrina name(it’s no big deal),does not mean to say that nobody else has heard of it,and indeed, uses the Foden Sabrina name!!!RENÉE PILOT.
Evening all,
Quite an exhaustive piece of research RENEE, may I ask that you clearly identify your sources, particularly as on your tabulation you attribute the nonclemature “Sabrina” against the Foden S24/S39 cabs, indicating, (perhaps eroniously), that this was a model name.
Likewise the nonclemature “Spaceship Sputnik”, against the S21/S23 cabs.
Are you perhaps confusing a “local” nickname for a particular cab variant, and by “slipping this in” to be an actual Foden model in your tabulation, creating potential confusion for interested parties, who may view these forums long after our demise!. For if nothing else Messers Fodens deserve accurate reporting of their designs, and also of their achievements.
Perhaps universally the “industry” termed the S21 type cab, as the “Micky Mouse”, a term of endearment, due to its visual similarity to Mr Disneys cartoon character. But this was a colloquial name, as I presume your assertion that “Sabrina”, applies to the later S34/36 models, but not, and this is the crux of my disagrement with your post, a Foden derived name.
In support of my argument, I would cite Foden publication 14.4.64, Artic and Heavy Haulage Tractor Units, 20/80tons, and Foden Publication, 24.6.65. Standard Range of Goods Vehicles 14/16ton 4wheel, 20/22ton 6wheel, 24/28ton 8wheel. Both can be read in conjunction with Foden Publication 23.4.65. This latter showing illustrations of no less than 11 cab variants, (7, S34/36, 1, S20, 1, s21, and 1 each S50 and 51.) In no case , in any publication is any cab described other than,“Tilt Cab”, or “Rigid mounted cab, Tilt cab styling”, and described as having “construction throughout of Fibreglass,which in itself is resistant to moisture, Termites etc” (yow do get many o them in Bilston, me mate)!!
Now I am no expert on Foden, the manufacturer, or its products. There are many who contribute to these forums who have forgotten more about Foden than I have learned. And I would welcome their comments, knowledge and and experiences on this particular subject.
For my own part I drove Fodens as a young man, S18, S20, S21, S34, S36, mainly with Gardner power, LK, LW, LX., 5 and 12speed, (mechanical, and air split). Both here in the UK, and in Europe. Later on in life, I was fortunate to mix with and meet many Foden staff members, from all areas of the company, all professional in whatever discipline they worked within. The only way that I ever recall any cab being refered to was by its numeric code, apart from the S21 series, again the “warm” term Micky Mouse being used.
Now if we move onto “Showland” For several decades I have been friends with the Jones family from Birmingham, and in particular Jimmy Jones who owned Stadium Commercials in Perry Bar. I could not even begin to calculate how many Foden lorries have passed between us!! All models, (some good, others perhaps less so). But never have I heard Jimmy, or his family ever refer to any Foden as a “Sabrina”! My only regret with Jimmy, was not taking up his offer to sell me the (perhaps only), remaining ex BSR Foden S20 integral van that sat in his yard for years.
Thinking about it I have never heard his father in law, Barry Sanson from Walsall a big Foden man, or Jimmys brother in law , Marcus, (Cromwell Commercials), or Oscar Johnson, Horace Kendrick, the genial Wood Brothers from Sittingbourne, Arthur Slater, (Tilling Group), Bob Anscombe down in Kent, or legions of other Foden men, ever refer to a S34/S36, as a “Sabrina”.
But that is not to say that in another part of the country “locals” may have used the term…but its not universal, either in use, or recognition. So should not be put alongside “Factory” model references, unless it is clearly stated as a regional “nick name”.
Cheerio for now.
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Thanks for your interesting post Saviem.
Please correct me if I am wrong,but from reading your above post,as I understand it,you actually accept that Foden S24,S30,S34,S36,S39 and other variants of this cab were and are nicknamed
SABRINA by certain road haulage people - including TRUCKNETUK Member,Sepo - certain fairground
people and lorry enthusiasts. Am I right in saying this? If you say yes,that is the factually correct answer.But if you say no,then,with respect,you are a “Doubting Thomas - Lord Cherwell”,
who will have to explain yourself at least a bit more.
But it’s now on with the show.
Foden Cab Nicknames.
S21 Mickey Mouse (from the early 1960s),S21 Sabrina (early 1960s),S21 Spaceship,S21 Sputnik,
S21 Spaceship Sputnik (from 1958),S24,S30,S34,S35,S36,S37,S38 and S39 Sabrina (from the late
1960s-early 1970s).NOTE:The dates indicate when,as far as is known,these nicknames began,and in the case of the S21 Sabrina,it was briefly in vogue during the early 1960s.
All these names are NOT offical Foden company names:They are purely nicknames.
S21 Mickey Mouse.Some of my friends and I (and other people) do not like this name for the Foden
S21 cab. It might be appropriate for Walt Disney’s Mickey Mouse cartoon character,but please
come on,it just is not a classy name for the stylish Foden S21 cab.
All the dictionaries,on line and in book form,that I have come across define the Mickey Mouse
name-term to mean corny,poor,third rate,dreadful,hopeless,etc - not one of these dictionaries
define it as meaning “warm” or as a term of “affection”.
The Mickey Mouse nickname for the S21 cab probably started in the Foden company! - not from the
managment - but from the cab building division where men proudly carried on the traditions
of coachbuilding by constructing lorry cabs made of wood and metal. Then along came the S21 GRP
cab,most of it’s structure made coachbuilding obsolete overnight,and the craftsmen coachbuilders
were horrified! They of course had a name for this S21 horror:Mickey Mouse! This so unflattering
nickname followed and haunted S21-cabbed lorries out of the factory.
S21 Sabrina.Because if it’s curves,some road transport men,probably already inspired by the
ERF SF Sabrina…and Sabrina herself,nicknamed the S21 Sabrina in the early 1960s but this
name for the S21 didn’t last long.
S21 Spaceship,S21 Sputnik,S21 Spaceship Sputnik.Now these ARE classy names for the flamboyant
and stylish S21 cab! As TruckNetUK Member,Valkyrie,who is one of my friends,said more or less,
these names are glamourous,adventurous and charismatic because of their connection with the
present day Space Age (which started in 1957) Dan Dare,Flash Gordon,Space Exploration,Neil
Armstrong,First Man On The Moon and so on.
So the year was 1958,the new Space Age was very topical,the new Foden S21 Cab had fantastic styling and caused a sensation,all of which caused commercial vehicle journalists to very
appropriatly use Spaceship and Sputnik as nicknames for the S21 cab.The names have been in use
ever since.
S24,S30,S34,S35,S36,S37,S38 and S39 Sabrina.Foden introduced the S24 Tilt Cab in 1962,and the
the basic styling lived on in later variants until 1980.
As I,and a few other people have already pointed out on this forum and elsewhere on the Internet,
part of the styling consisted of a front panel which curved across the front of the cab,the front
panel also projected out from the base of the windscreen.These styling features were good enough
to inspire road transport people,and later travelling showmen,to nickname this cab the Sabrina,
as in the case of TRUCKNETUK Member,Sepo,and his friends in the early 1970s at least.
Local-Regional Nicknames.
With the exception of the S21 Spaceship and S21 Sputnik names,due to coverage in the Commercial
Motor,Commercial Vehicle,Motor Transport,Modern Transport journals,magazines,etc,all the other
names started off being regional.But some HCVS (Historic Commercial Vehicle Society) members
did say that all the names were regional:Some areas were Spaceship and Sputnik,while others
were Mickey Mouse and a few were S24-S39 Sabrina.And I am certain that not all showmen have
used,or have heard of,the Sabrina name - I did say SOME fairground people in my ERF Sabrina
posts.
I have shown that it is possiable to go forty years or more without learning of a certain name,
or subject,or story,whatever,even though you can be closely involved with associated subjects
which are related to these things that you have never learned of until all those years later,i.e.
Peter Davies and AEC Yellowline and Guy Greenline ranges,the AEC Service Engineer and the AEC
V8 engine,The Paul Is Dead Hoax - Paul McCartney,etc.But it’s been stated many times on the
internet that the internet is breaking down the information barriers,and making information
more generally available.
Foden Model Designations.
Now,all the Foden advertisements,model specifications and sales brochures that I have seen
do not mention any names,apart from Twin Load and Dynamic,as far as I can remember.
Typical Foden advertisements,which usually had photographs,varied:-
Examples.
1.A two page spread with photographs of the types of motor vehicle that the company make:
Concrete Mixers.Crane Carriers.Tractive Units,Bulk Tankers,and so on,but it does not give model designations and specifications:-
google.co.uk/imgres?q=Foden+ … ,s:0,i:122
2.The New Cab Foden.Robsons Border Transport Foden S20 FG6/24 photograph,and three drawings
S20-cabbed lorries with model designation.BUT the S20 designation is not mentioned!:-
static.commercialmotor.com/big-l … 4foden.JPG
3.Foden FCN6/40 6-Wheeler Lorry Road Train painting,write up and brief specfications:-
static.commercialmotor.com/big-l … 201961.jpg
But Foden never officially used any of those cab nicknames in their model designations.
Semi-Offical Names.
BUT,and it’s a big but,when the likes of Peter Davies,Corgi Models,commercial vehicle magazines,
Pat Kennett,E.L.Cornwell,Malcolm Slater and so on caption their Foden lorry photographs
and models with the Spaceship,Mickey Mouse and Sputnik names,and the likes of me and other people
use the Foden Sabrina name,all these name become universal sooner or later and has the effect
of making these names semi-official at least. So much so that many enthusiasts automaticaly
refer to say,a Foden S21-cabbed lorry as a Foden S21 Spaceship without even thinking about it!
That is why nicknames become semi-official names.Whats more Foden cab types are used to identify
the Foden lorry models,because people do not know the Foden model designations - many Foden
owners do not even know the model designations of their own vehicles! And,sadly,it appears that some of them (including some enthusiasts) do not even care.
Foden Vehicle History.
So…are we being fair on Foden history? - is Peter Davies,Corgi Models,Alan Millar,Pat Kennett and all them - being fair on Foden history using Foden cab nicknames? And many of
the captions for photographs do not have model designations - that is not helpful at all!
These cab nicknames have become such a integral part of Foden history,the names have become
semi-official and second nature to a lot of enthusiasts - and these are the only way that some
people can “identify Foden models” along with cab designations.
So just as long as it’s made clear that Sabrina,Spaceship,Mickey Mouse and Sputnik are just
nicknames,and not official Foden model names,yes we are being fair on Foden history.
On the other hand,writers who fail to inform you of the model designations of Foden
models are not really being fair on Foden history.
Summing up.
Anyway,I hope that I have fully explained the facts in regard to Foden motor vehicles and made things clear.
RENÉE PILOT
Renee
You are starting to wind us up now
Sabrina ERF
Micky Mouse Foden S21
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i think it must be purely a regional thing tribsa , up round the buxton area ( foden country , erf didn’t get much of a look in ) they got called sabrinas by some , a lot of the older drivers even called them mae wests . i think mickey mouse held connotations of poor lorries and we were proud of our fodens , cheers , dave
rigsby:
i think it must be purely a regional thing tribsa , up round the buxton area ( foden country , erf didn’t get much of a look in ) they got called sabrinas by some , a lot of the older drivers even called them mae wests . i think mickey mouse held connotations of poor lorries and we were proud of our fodens , cheers , dave
Think you’ve hit the nail on the head there regional thing,we never considered the term “Micky Mouse” derogatory more a term of endearment in my part of the world!, some of the old boys were very protective their Fodens particularly if they were 2 strokes(think they loved that distinct howl), just reminded me have heard strokers called “Stukas” before now!!
foden thoughts, this comes in mind for a finn that haven,t seen much of them ,not a sabrina thought ,cheers benkku
Bewick:
Where does this fine example fit into the picture “Saviem” ? Apparently it was one of a number Thomas bought,ex Works Sandbach “cash on Collection” £1000 in around 1907 or so,the brass name plate on the front lettered “Dorothy” after one of Thomas’s daughters,my late aunt Dora as I knew her.Another of his steamers bore the name Sarah after my maternal grandmother.The old lad must have been well thought of at Fodens for them to go to the lengths of casting his daughters names in Brass !! Cheers Dennis.
And this shot is a few years prior to the previous one,in this shot Thomas is togged up in his carriers apron and quite clearly is “hands on” at this time,but in the previous shot, stood by the new Foden with his only Son,John, at the controls, he is now wearing suit and tie and is looking every inch a “well to do” haulier/carrier of that era !Cheers Dennis.
Evening all, Dennis, richgrif, what fantastic Foden heritage, thank you for sharing. Mine is not of such pedigree.
RENEE, thank you for your considered post, perhaps now you would be good enough to remove your “colloquial”, descriptions from the well researched models of Foden cab variants, for reasons of clarity, and give your research objectivity .
Your sub notes serve to reference the various “nicknames” that may have been used for the models, in various areas of the country and industry. And should remain as such.
I think that our friends rigsby and tribsa has summerised things adequately.
And dear bma, with his artistic skill has provided an eloquent full stop to this debate. (and made me long to have back my last 4000 Series, truly a European Kenworth…but one that went round corners)!!
Bon Nuit mes Braves. Cheerio for now.
In responce to Saviem’s two previous posts in regard to Foden cab nicknames versus official Foden cab designations and model designations,and for the sake of historical accuracy and Saviem’s statement," For if nothing else Messers Fodens deserve accurate reporting of their designs, and also of their achievements",and at his suggestion,I have revised my Foden Cab List. As Saviem says,my original cab list could be interpreted as to mean that such nicknames as Sabrina,Spaceship and Sputnik were official Foden model names,when in actual fact they are regional nicknames - but because of the internet
they are becoming univesally known and used.
However,to be fair on myself,I have never once stated that Sabrina,Spaceship,etc are official Foden cab model names.The revised Foden Cab List makes it quite clear that Cottage Loaf,Mickey Mouse,Sabrina,Spaceship and Sputnik are local nicknames.
FODEN CAB LIST ,REVISED:-
FODEN CAB MODELS:-
Local nicknames for certain cabs.
Foden W2,1932-1935.
Foden S2 Airstream Streamlined Cab,1935-1937.
Foden S9,1936-1938.
Foden S10,1938-1948.DG range cab.Also OG models.
Foden S15,1937-1948.OG.
S18 Flat Front,1948 - 1951.FE Two Stroke,FG.
S18 V-Front,1951-1957.FE Two Stroke,FG.
Foden S19,1948-1957.OG.
Foden FE4/8 Two Stroke Lorry model Cab,built by Boalloy,1952-1956.
Foden Half Cab,1953-1980.Dump Trucks.
Foden Twin Cabs,Crane Carrier,1960-1963.
Foden Low-Line full-width Cab,Crane Carrier,1963-1972.
Foden S20,1956 - 1968.
Foden S21,1958-1969. Nicknames:Mickey Mouse (1),Sabrina (2),Spaceship (3A),Sputnik (3B),Spaceship Sputnik (3C).
Foden S22 Tropical.Standard width? Mainly export.Nicknames:Spaceship,Sputnik,Mickey Mouse.
Foden S23 Tropical,narrow? Mainly Export.Nicknames:Spaceship,Sputnik,Mickey Mouse.
Foden S24 Tilt,1962 -1967. Nicknames: Cottage Loaf (4),Sabrina (5).
Foden S29 Tropical. Tropical version of the S20. Mainly export.
Foden S30 Tilt ,1966-1967.Pre-production version of the S34 Tilt.Nicknames: (4),Sabrina (5).
Foden S34 Tilt,1967-1970. 8 ft,2.5 in wide.Nicknames: (4),Sabrina (5).
Foden S35 Tilt,1967-1970.8 ft wide.Export.Nicknames: (4),Sabrina (5).
Foden S36 Fixed,1967-1970. 8 ft,2.5 in wide.Nicknames:(4),Sabrina (5).
Foden S37 Fixed,1967-1970. 8 ft wide.Export.Nicknames:(4),Sabrina (5).
Foden S38 Fixed,1970-1980.8 ft wide. Two windscreens.Export.Nicknames:(4),Sabrina (5).
Foden S39 Fixed,1970-1980.8 ft,2.5 in wide.Two windscreens.Nicknames:(4),Sabrina (5).
Foden S40.Motor Panels MkIII Cab.1968-1977.
Foden S41,with extended front end. Motor Panels MkIII Cab.1968-1977.
Foden S50 Half Cab,1969-1972.For on-highway tipper lorries.
Foden S51 Half Cab,1971-1979.For dumptrucks.
Foden S55 Half Cab,1979-1980.For dumptrucks.
Foden S60 Full Cab version of the S50,1970-1972.
Foden S70 Full Cab GRP version of the steel S60,1970-1972.
Foden S80,1973-1978,Mk1 into 1976,Mk2 1976-1978.
Foden S81,1974-1978.Fitted to 6x4 tractive units,it had an extended front grille panel.
Foden S83,1975-1979.
Foden S85,1978-1983.Based on the S83 and fitted to gritter-snowplough lorries.
Foden S90 Universal day,Universal sleeper,Super Haulmaster day,Civilian version,1976-1979.
Foden S90 Military version,1974-1983.
Foden S93,1978-1979.Haulmaster tractive unit.
Foden S95,1978-1980,Fleetmaster.
Foden S10 Mk1,Mk2,1978-1983.Fleetmaster and Haulmaster.
Foden S10 Mk3,1983-1997.Civilian and military versions.
Foden S10 Mk4,1987-1995.4000-Series and 3000-Series.
Foden S10 Mk5,1995-2001.
Foden S10 Narrow,1990-1998.Mk1 2000-Series,3000-Series.
Mk 2 2000-Series,3000-Series.
Alpha Mk1,1998-2002.
Alpha Mk2,2002-2006.
Foden had 48 differant standard production cabs from 1932 to 2006 to my knowledge,plus those listed below :-
Other cabs:-
Bowyer,late 1950s-early 1960s.Looked similar to the S20.
Certain other Fodens for the British market also had non-standard cabs.
Durimin Redhill,FE and FG models for Portland Blue Circle Cement.
Many export Fodens had locally produced and styled cabs.
Delta Cab,for the Australian market.
NOTE:The Foden Sabrina Cabs should not be confused with the ERF Sabrina model .There are plenty of references to Foden S24 Sabrina,S34 Sabrina,S36 Sabrina and S39 Sabrina Cabs on the Internet,including page 19 on this Foden Thoughts Thread :- TruckNetUK confirms the Foden Sabrina name at the top of page 19,“by Sepo » Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:12 pm when growimg up this model was always remarked to as the Sabrina cab… ERF also used the name on one of there rigid models with a bonnet on.”
And kindly includes a photograph of his father’s Foden S39 Sabrina 4AXB6/32 4x2 Articulated Lorry,ONE 347H,operated by Claribel Carriers,of Manchester.
And in my two posts on page 19,I comprehensively explain all the facts about the Foden Sabrina name .
As it has been pointed out several times by wise people,just because you have never heard of the Foden Sabrina name(it’s no big deal),does not mean to say that nobody else has heard of it,and indeed, uses the Foden Sabrina name!!! It wasn’t universal,it was used in certain areas of the UK - and on the fairgrounds! - but,as the wise people correctly say:The Internet is breaking down all the information barriers,so the Foden Sabrina name is becoming far better known!
FODEN CAB’S NICKNAMES.
- Mickey Mouse.In use from the 1960s to the present:-
S21 Mickey Mouse.Some of my friends and I (and other people) do not like this name for the Foden
S21 cab. It might be appropriate for Walt Disney’s Mickey Mouse cartoon character,but please
come on,it just is not a classy name for the stylish Foden S21 cab.
All the dictionaries,on line and in book form,that I have come across define the Mickey Mouse
name-term to mean corny,poor,third rate,dreadful,hopeless,etc - not one of these dictionaries
define it as meaning “warm” or as a term of “affection”.
The Mickey Mouse nickname for the S21 cab probably started in the Foden company! - not from the
managment - but from the cab building division where men proudly carried on the traditions
of coachbuilding by constructing lorry cabs made of wood and metal. Then along came the S21 GRP
cab,most of it’s structure made coachbuilding obsolete overnight,and the craftsmen coachbuilders
were horrified! They of course had a name for this S21 horror:Mickey Mouse! This so unflattering
nickname followed and haunted S21-cabbed lorries out of the factory.
2.Sabrina.In use in the early 1960s only:-
S21 Sabrina.Because if it’s curves,some road transport men,probably already inspired by the
ERF SF Sabrina…and Sabrina herself,nicknamed the S21 Sabrina in the early 1960s but this
name for the S21 didn’t last long.
3A,Spaceship,3B Sputnik and 3C Spaceship Sputnik.In use from 1958 to the present:-
S21 Spaceship,S21 Sputnik,S21 Spaceship Sputnik.Now these ARE classy names for the flamboyant
and stylish S21 cab! As TruckNetUK Member,Valkyrie,who is one of my friends,said more or less,
these names are glamourous,adventurous and charismatic because of their connection with the
present day Space Age (which started in 1957) Dan Dare,Flash Gordon,Space Exploration,Neil
Armstrong,First Man On The Moon and so on.
So the year was 1958,the new Space Age was very topical,the new Foden S21 Cab had fantastic styling and caused a sensation,all of which caused commercial vehicle journalists to very appropriatly use Spaceship and Sputnik as nicknames for the S21 cab.These names have been in use ever since.
4.Cottage Loaf.In use during the 1960s and 1970s:-
S24,S30,S34,S35,S36,S37,S38 and S39 Cottage Loaf.Just as both Lawrence Dunbar and Bewick confirmed the use of the SPUTNIK name for the S21 cab,they also confirmed the use of the Cottage Loaf name for the S24,S30,S34,S35,S36,S37,S38 and S39 cabs.Why the Cottage Loaf name? The cottage loaf has a shape which is round and bulbious,so maybe the curved and bulbious front end of this cab reminded road transport people of the cottage loaf.This is a minor nickname compared to the Sabrina nickname.
5.Sabrina.In use since at least the early 1970s to the present:-
S24,S30,S34,S35,S36,S37,S38 and S39 Sabrina.Foden introduced the S24 Tilt Cab in 1962,and the
the basic styling lived on in later variants until 1980.
As I,and a few other people have already pointed out on this forum and elsewhere on the Internet,
part of the styling consisted of a front panel which curved across the front of the cab,the front
panel also projected out from the base of the windscreen.These styling features were good enough
to inspire road transport people,and later travelling showmen,to nickname this cab the Sabrina,
as in the case of TRUCKNETUK Member,Sepo,and his friends in the early 1970s at least.
Local-Regional Nicknames.
With the exception of the S21 Spaceship and S21 Sputnik names,due to coverage in the Commercial
Motor,Commercial Vehicle,Motor Transport,Modern Transport journals,magazines,etc,all the other
names started off being regional.But some HCVS (Historic Commercial Vehicle Society) members
did say that all the names were regional:Some areas were Spaceship and Sputnik,while others
were Mickey Mouse and a few were S24-S39 Sabrina.And I am certain that not all showmen have
used,or have heard of,the Sabrina name - I did say SOME fairground people in my ERF Sabrina
posts.
I have shown that it is possiable to go forty years or more without learning of a certain name,
or subject,or story,whatever,even though you can be closely involved with associated subjects
which are related to these things that you have never learned of until all those years later,i.e.
Peter Davies and AEC Yellowline and Guy Greenline ranges,the AEC Service Engineer and the AEC
V8 engine,The Paul Is Dead Hoax - Paul McCartney,etc.But it’s been stated many times on the
internet that the internet is breaking down the information barriers,and making information
more generally available - Including the nicknames of Foden cabs.
The Internet.
My friends and I - and no doubt loads of other people - had never heard of the Cottage Loaf nickname for the Foden S24-S39 cabs until Lawrence Dunbar’s post on the Foden Thoughts thread,TruckNetUK,in July 2012. So it could well be that the internet turns up other previously unknown nicknames for Foden cabs and the cabs and/or models of other lorry makers.
Furthermore,the bulbious AEC Tin Front Mk III lorries might also have been nicknamed Sabrina,too,in certain parts of the United Kingdom…
But,as I say,among all of the above facts,because of the internet,Foden cab nicknames such as Spaceship,Sabrina and Sputnik are becoming really well known and universal.
RENÉE PILOT
looking at the list you say the S80 normal flat front grille 4x2 t/unit, now the 8LXB Gardner was fitted in the S80 it had
the extended front grille 
was it known as a S81 like the 6x4 then with the extended grille ?
8LXBV8BRIAN:
looking at the list you say the S80 normal flat front grille 4x2 t/unit, now the 8LXB Gardner was fitted in the S80 it had
the extended front grille
Hello.According to Wobbe Reitsma in his Foden Special Vehicles book (most of my research for the above Foden Cab list is based on this great book),the S81,which was a modified S80,was only ever fitted to 6x4 tractive units and had an extended lifting radiator grille panel. This was designed to make room for 14-litre 290 and 335 BHP ■■■■■■■ diesel engines.
Day versions were made from 1974,and sleeper versions were made from 1975 and the S81 was produced in to 1978,being fitted to 75 and 100 tonne heavy haulage road locomotives and tractive units.
The book says that Foden models fitted with the S83 day and sleeper cab (1975-1979),when powered by the Gardner 8LXB 240-250 engine,had extended radiator grilles.
8LXB -engined models from 1970 to 1973 at least were fitted with S60,S70 and S41 cabs,but just what cab or cabs were fitted to 8LXB Foden tractive units from 1973 to 1975 I do not know - maybe there was an extended radiator grille version of the S80 after all?
RENÉE PILOT
Was the extended-front S80 known as Sabrina, by any chance?
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anorak:
Was the extended-front S80 known as Sabrina, by any chance?
…I don’t think so …
Actually,maybe from 1972 to 1975,until the S83 with the extended front for the 8LXB,Foden S80 tractive units fitted with Gardner 8LXB engines obviously just had standard S80 cabs with yards of engine projecting out of the engine bay from behind the cab
RENÉE PILOT.
Aarhhh Foden’s what great memories and what a shocking loss to the U.K. My old man had a couple of the ‘round bulbass fronted ones’ 
should have looked up the model No 180 Gardener’s and the 12 speed…now what was it with that box that everytime i went out as a kid no driver could change one clean gear…GggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrCRUNCH was all you could hear 
.
My time with them was when they was ‘American’ (Paccar) my very last truck before i left the U.K. was a Foden reminded me so much of my White i had, 350 Cat, 9 sp fuller, Rockwell rear…bloody loved it i got in to this from a Scania 113 360 and much prefered the Foden…Yeah i know and i’m waiting for it “are you mad”
Fodens had a presence, character they were top notch…A man’s Truck 
the scane quieter, syncro box blah blah blah - No character! Just my opinion not tryin to tick anyone off and i know lots will dissagree but mho.
The one thing i wasn’t keen on with mine and it was how the first o/d had it set up so know reflection on Foden he had the gearing set up that 100kmh came up as 1300 rpm this made it so slow starting off (the White would ■■■■ all over it for pulling power) but once rolling would cruise if you was so inclined on 90 m.p.h. - dont ask me how i know …geared wrong for me i prefer cruising on 90-100 kmh and power to go up the side of a house…top speed not my thing.
Anyway heres some pics…i hope they turn out having dramas with p’bucket & these old photos.
Cheers
Glen
Whilst delivering in North London today, I was surprised by the number of Fodens (Alphas and the Leyland Daf 85 version) still being used within the LEZ. They must be reliable or the operators wouldn’t justify the cost of fitting emissions filters.
Several of the Fodens were clearly ex SJK and Keltbray (the cycle squashers).
Anyone know anything about this?
telegraph.co.uk/news/newstop … 17000.html