limeyphil:
Regarding the comments about extra ride height when the lift axle is up.
Learn to operate your lorry.
FFS.
On the Scania with the mid lift raised it raises the ride height by 3". I thought this was common knowledge If you really wanted to be fussy you could mess with the ride height manually but surely this would only increase mid lift (when lifted) tyre scrub when going over bumps/lumps in the road and kind of defeat the object of having it lifted. Never heard of the ride height increasing on the likes of a MAN TGX 6x2 or any other truck with a 6x2 mid lift set up. I stand to be corrected.
I won’t say where, but some posters on here may know the company concerned.
The company in question, sometimes have a purge, usually on a morning, when drivers are leaving the depot, and do all manner of spot checks regarding paperwork, daily checks etc etc.
One morning, I got stopped by the on site trainer, who I know very well, and have done for a number of years, and he questioned as to why the mid axle was up when I was loaded, and that it should be down, blah blah. When I told him it was load sensitive, and that the computer/ecu decided that it wasn’t heavy enough, he didn’t say anything further.
Moral of the story?
Never believe all that an on site trainer tries to tell you when you join a company.
lankyphil:
Out of curiosity, Say you have a blowout or puncture on the motorway. you pull over and find it’s on a lifting axle. Would you be allowed to run to the nearest services with the axle raised if it didn’t put you over your axle weights?*
*No fuel related bonuses here so run with midlift down all the time before someone comments…
Why do you run with the mid lift down all the time■■?
Talk about throwing money down the drain.
You must spin up your drive wheels all the time when it’s wet.
And not to mention giving other trucks a false impression that you are heavy when you’re not.
My gaffer would give me a disciplinary if I came back into the yard empty with the mid lift down and quite rightly so. Ridiculous ridiculous ridiculous!!!
It’s the most unprofessional sight on the road when you see a tractor unit running solo along the motorway with his mid lift down. I don’t know why but its that sort of thing that really bugs me
lankyphil:
Out of curiosity, Say you have a blowout or puncture on the motorway. you pull over and find it’s on a lifting axle. Would you be allowed to run to the nearest services with the axle raised if it didn’t put you over your axle weights?*
*No fuel related bonuses here so run with midlift down all the time before someone comments…
Why do you run with the mid lift down all the time■■?
Talk about throwing money down the drain.
You must spin up your drive wheels all the time when it’s wet.
And not to mention giving other trucks a false impression that you are heavy when you’re not.
My gaffer would give me a disciplinary if I came back into the yard empty with the mid lift down and quite rightly so. Ridiculous ridiculous ridiculous!!!
It’s the most unprofessional sight on the road when you see a tractor unit running solo along the motorway with his mid lift down. I don’t know why but its that sort of thing that really bugs me
You didn’t refer to his question once!
You’re right,
I would have to get it changed at the road side because I would be too heavy to raise it which is why it’s down in the first place,
Unless of course on the very very rare occasion that I had it down because I was overloaded on the front axle in which case I would get it home.
limeyphil:
Regarding the comments about extra ride height when the lift axle is up.
Learn to operate your lorry.
FFS.
On the Scania with the mid lift raised it raises the ride height by 3". I thought this was common knowledge If you really wanted to be fussy you could mess with the ride height manually but surely this would only increase mid lift (when lifted) tyre scrub when going over bumps/lumps in the road and kind of defeat the object of having it lifted. Never heard of the ride height increasing on the likes of a MAN TGX 6x2 or any other truck with a 6x2 mid lift set up. I stand to be corrected.
I still don’t get your logic?
It doesn’t raise it up by 3 inches anyway as the trailers height is usually based on a 1250mm which is roughly what a scania is with it’s mid lift raised.,… Mine is anyway.
Limeyphil is right, it doesn’t matter if it raises it 2 ft, know what your running at and know the dimensions of your vehicle as running empty with the mid lift down because it runs lower in height is a poor weak excuse in my opinion. (and I know you said you run with it up anyway)
FarnboroughBoy11:
I wasn’t meaning to tear anyone apart, I was just saying its pointless and defies the whole point of the invention of the mid lift. Might as well just run double drives.
Now you’ve done it FB Somewhere in Leatherhead, a frustrated old man still living with his mum in a room plastered with pictures of Convoy and a shrine to Scargill has just felt a tingling in his groin. I fear this thread will soon be 47 pages of [zb] and google links explaining why the lift axle is all Thatchers fault
You need a double drive to handle the power from the 950bhp v12 screaming jimmy under the 95 ton Bedford tm.
limeyphil:
Regarding the comments about extra ride height when the lift axle is up.
Learn to operate your lorry.
FFS.
On the Scania with the mid lift raised it raises the ride height by 3". I thought this was common knowledge If you really wanted to be fussy you could mess with the ride height manually but surely this would only increase mid lift (when lifted) tyre scrub when going over bumps/lumps in the road and kind of defeat the object of having it lifted. Never heard of the ride height increasing on the likes of a MAN TGX 6x2 or any other truck with a 6x2 mid lift set up. I stand to be corrected.
I still don’t get your logic?
It doesn’t raise it up by 3 inches anyway as the trailers height is usually based on a 1250mm which is roughly what a scania is with it’s mid lift raised.,… Mine is anyway.
Limeyphil is right, it doesn’t matter if it raises it 2 ft, know what your running at and know the dimensions of your vehicle as running empty with the mid lift down because it runs lower in height is a poor weak excuse in my opinion. (and I know you said you run with it up anyway)
You haven’t taken a tape measure to a Scania then? When I got a 6 wheeler I measured it. The standard fifth wheel height is with the middle axle down. With it up it runs almost exactly 7 cm higher. I measured it myself. It seems to be the only make that does this. As for being a poor weak excuse, you try running at well over 4m in Europe and see how far you get. Once I got off boat in Calais in my 6x2 the midlift always stayed down
limeyphil:
Regarding the comments about extra ride height when the lift axle is up.
Learn to operate your lorry.
FFS.
On the Scania with the mid lift raised it raises the ride height by 3". I thought this was common knowledge If you really wanted to be fussy you could mess with the ride height manually but surely this would only increase mid lift (when lifted) tyre scrub when going over bumps/lumps in the road and kind of defeat the object of having it lifted. Never heard of the ride height increasing on the likes of a MAN TGX 6x2 or any other truck with a 6x2 mid lift set up. I stand to be corrected.
I still don’t get your logic?
It doesn’t raise it up by 3 inches anyway as the trailers height is usually based on a 1250mm which is roughly what a scania is with it’s mid lift raised.,… Mine is anyway.
Limeyphil is right, it doesn’t matter if it raises it 2 ft, know what your running at and know the dimensions of your vehicle as running empty with the mid lift down because it runs lower in height is a poor weak excuse in my opinion. (and I know you said you run with it up anyway)
You haven’t taken a tape measure to a Scania then? When I got a 6 wheeler I measured it. The standard fifth wheel height is with the middle axle down. With it up it runs almost exactly 7 inches higher. I measured it myself. It seems to be the only make that does this. As for being a poor weak excuse, you try running at well over 4m in Europe and see how far you get. Once I got off boat in Calais in my 6x2 the midlift always stayed down
Yep, I’ve been telling folk they’re over-priced crap for ages too, they don’t listen though,
limeyphil:
Regarding the comments about extra ride height when the lift axle is up.
Learn to operate your lorry.
FFS.
On the Scania with the mid lift raised it raises the ride height by 3". I thought this was common knowledge If you really wanted to be fussy you could mess with the ride height manually but surely this would only increase mid lift (when lifted) tyre scrub when going over bumps/lumps in the road and kind of defeat the object of having it lifted. Never heard of the ride height increasing on the likes of a MAN TGX 6x2 or any other truck with a 6x2 mid lift set up. I stand to be corrected.
I still don’t get your logic?
It doesn’t raise it up by 3 inches anyway as the trailers height is usually based on a 1250mm which is roughly what a scania is with it’s mid lift raised.,… Mine is anyway.
Limeyphil is right, it doesn’t matter if it raises it 2 ft, know what your running at and know the dimensions of your vehicle as running empty with the mid lift down because it runs lower in height is a poor weak excuse in my opinion. (and I know you said you run with it up anyway)
You haven’t taken a tape measure to a Scania then? When I got a 6 wheeler I measured it. The standard fifth wheel height is with the middle axle down. With it up it runs almost exactly 7 cm higher. I measured it myself. It seems to be the only make that does this. As for being a poor weak excuse, you try running at well over 4m in Europe and see how far you get. Once I got off boat in Calais in my 6x2 the midlift always stayed down
I have, like I said and on mine it’s actually 3cm out which is why I said roughly the same height.
We arnt talking about in Europe are we? In which case changes the whole point.
The point I’m trying to make is that every driver should know what they are running at, at any given time and driving around England with the mid lift down when empty because they want to run “3 inches lower” is a poor weak excuse.
limeyphil:
Regarding the comments about extra ride height when the lift axle is up.
Learn to operate your lorry.
FFS.
On the Scania with the mid lift raised it raises the ride height by 3". I thought this was common knowledge If you really wanted to be fussy you could mess with the ride height manually but surely this would only increase mid lift (when lifted) tyre scrub when going over bumps/lumps in the road and kind of defeat the object of having it lifted. Never heard of the ride height increasing on the likes of a MAN TGX 6x2 or any other truck with a 6x2 mid lift set up. I stand to be corrected.
I still don’t get your logic?
It doesn’t raise it up by 3 inches anyway as the trailers height is usually based on a 1250mm which is roughly what a scania is with it’s mid lift raised.,… Mine is anyway.
Limeyphil is right, it doesn’t matter if it raises it 2 ft, know what your running at and know the dimensions of your vehicle as running empty with the mid lift down because it runs lower in height is a poor weak excuse in my opinion. (and I know you said you run with it up anyway)
You haven’t taken a tape measure to a Scania then? When I got a 6 wheeler I measured it. The standard fifth wheel height is with the middle axle down. With it up it runs almost exactly 7 cm higher. I measured it myself. It seems to be the only make that does this. As for being a poor weak excuse, you try running at well over 4m in Europe and see how far you get. Once I got off boat in Calais in my 6x2 the midlift always stayed down
I have, like I said and on mine it’s actually 3cm out which is why I said roughly the same height.
We arnt talking about in Europe are we? In which case changes the whole point.
The point I’m trying to make is that every driver should know what they are running at, at any given time and driving around England with the mid lift down when empty because they want to run “3 inches lower” is a poor weak excuse.
It’s a poor excuse where ever you run in the world. Scania also got that beautiful fast ride height button that can be used at any speed. Get it correct programed and you can win almost 10cm from original ride height. Perfect approaching a lower bridge or tunnel, click the button and keep on driving as normal. When the object is passed click it back to normal ride height. Get the upper ride height correct also and it’s perfect to use when approaching big bumps in the road to get some more air in the bags.
Start driving, don’t be just being a steering wheel holding junkie.
Icee:
It’s a poor excuse where ever you run in the world. Scania also got that beautiful fast ride height button that can be used at any speed. Get it correct programed and you can win almost 10cm from original ride height. Perfect approaching a lower bridge or tunnel, click the button and keep on driving as normal. When the object is passed click it back to normal ride height. Get the upper ride height correct also and it’s perfect to use when approaching big bumps in the road to get some more air in the bags.
Start driving, don’t be just being a steering wheel holding junkie.
Far too many steering wheel attendants.
There are several ride height options on a scania.
Too many just get in and drive. all these buttons and switches are there to be used, not there to self distruct the lorry.
limeyphil:
Far too many steering wheel attendants.
There are several ride height options on a scania.
Too many just get in and drive. all these buttons and switches are there to be used, not there to self distruct the lorry.
And Scania just designed it to raise the suspension when the middle axle is up for fun then did they? I’d hate to see the state of the tyres after you’ve been in it. Put it down to normal ride height and the middle axle is barely off the ground.
limeyphil:
Regarding the comments about extra ride height when the lift axle is up.
Learn to operate your lorry.
FFS.
On the Scania with the mid lift raised it raises the ride height by 3". I thought this was common knowledge If you really wanted to be fussy you could mess with the ride height manually but surely this would only increase mid lift (when lifted) tyre scrub when going over bumps/lumps in the road and kind of defeat the object of having it lifted. Never heard of the ride height increasing on the likes of a MAN TGX 6x2 or any other truck with a 6x2 mid lift set up. I stand to be corrected.
I still don’t get your logic?
It doesn’t raise it up by 3 inches anyway as the trailers height is usually based on a 1250mm which is roughly what a scania is with it’s mid lift raised.,… Mine is anyway.
Limeyphil is right, it doesn’t matter if it raises it 2 ft, know what your running at and know the dimensions of your vehicle as running empty with the mid lift down because it runs lower in height is a poor weak excuse in my opinion. (and I know you said you run with it up anyway)
You haven’t taken a tape measure to a Scania then? When I got a 6 wheeler I measured it. The standard fifth wheel height is with the middle axle down. With it up it runs almost exactly 7 cm higher. I measured it myself. It seems to be the only make that does this. As for being a poor weak excuse, you try running at well over 4m in Europe and see how far you get. Once I got off boat in Calais in my 6x2 the midlift always stayed down
I have, like I said and on mine it’s actually 3cm out which is why I said roughly the same height.
We arnt talking about in Europe are we? In which case changes the whole point.
The point I’m trying to make is that every driver should know what they are running at, at any given time and driving around England with the mid lift down when empty because they want to run “3 inches lower” is a poor weak excuse.
It’s a poor excuse where ever you run in the world. Scania also got that beautiful fast ride height button that can be used at any speed. Get it correct programed and you can win almost 10cm from original ride height. Perfect approaching a lower bridge or tunnel, click the button and keep on driving as normal. When the object is passed click it back to normal ride height. Get the upper ride height correct also and it’s perfect to use when approaching big bumps in the road to get some more air in the bags.
Start driving, don’t be just being a steering wheel holding junkie.
Never driven a Scania with those buttons. And I’ve driven lots of Scanias. So not much point me learning about trucks I never drive is it.
limeyphil:
Regarding the comments about extra ride height when the lift axle is up.
Learn to operate your lorry.
FFS.
On the Scania with the mid lift raised it raises the ride height by 3". I thought this was common knowledge If you really wanted to be fussy you could mess with the ride height manually but surely this would only increase mid lift (when lifted) tyre scrub when going over bumps/lumps in the road and kind of defeat the object of having it lifted. Never heard of the ride height increasing on the likes of a MAN TGX 6x2 or any other truck with a 6x2 mid lift set up. I stand to be corrected.
I still don’t get your logic?
It doesn’t raise it up by 3 inches anyway as the trailers height is usually based on a 1250mm which is roughly what a scania is with it’s mid lift raised.,… Mine is anyway.
Limeyphil is right, it doesn’t matter if it raises it 2 ft, know what your running at and know the dimensions of your vehicle as running empty with the mid lift down because it runs lower in height is a poor weak excuse in my opinion. (and I know you said you run with it up anyway)
You haven’t taken a tape measure to a Scania then? When I got a 6 wheeler I measured it. The standard fifth wheel height is with the middle axle down. With it up it runs almost exactly 7 inches higher. I measured it myself. It seems to be the only make that does this. As for being a poor weak excuse, you try running at well over 4m in Europe and see how far you get. Once I got off boat in Calais in my 6x2 the midlift always stayed down
Yep, I’ve been telling folk they’re over-priced crap for ages too, they don’t listen though,
switchlogic:
I have, like I said and on mine it’s actually 3cm out which is why I said roughly the same height.
We arnt talking about in Europe are we? In which case changes the whole point.
The point I’m trying to make is that every driver should know what they are running at, at any given time and driving around England with the mid lift down when empty because they want to run “3 inches lower” is a poor weak excuse.
When you say every driver should know what height they are running at, is that ‘roughly’ or precisely?
My point is its clear that some companies have this as a policy because of the Scania situation. After all look how many drivers didn’t realise it runs higher when up. Sometimes its just to save trouble and if that’s the way a company wants to run its business so be it. After all I know you have your big shiny V8 every day but some drive a different make each day and it would be easy to have a lapse of concentration. Too many people on here seem to get annoyed at things other people and companies do.
limeyphil:
Far too many steering wheel attendants.
There are several ride height options on a scania.
Too many just get in and drive. all these buttons and switches are there to be used, not there to self distruct the lorry.
And Scania just designed it to raise the suspension when the middle axle is up for fun then did they? I’d hate to see the state of the tyres after you’ve been in it. Put it down to normal ride height and the middle axle is barely off the ground.
I don’t adjust it manually, there are pre programmed settings.
There is an easy way though. Lift the midlift, Then drop the drive axle suspension, Then press the reset button, hey presto normal ride height. all done with the handbrake off.
limeyphil:
Regarding the comments about extra ride height when the lift axle is up.
Learn to operate your lorry.
FFS.
On the Scania with the mid lift raised it raises the ride height by 3". I thought this was common knowledge If you really wanted to be fussy you could mess with the ride height manually but surely this would only increase mid lift (when lifted) tyre scrub when going over bumps/lumps in the road and kind of defeat the object of having it lifted. Never heard of the ride height increasing on the likes of a MAN TGX 6x2 or any other truck with a 6x2 mid lift set up. I stand to be corrected.
I still don’t get your logic?
It doesn’t raise it up by 3 inches anyway as the trailers height is usually based on a 1250mm which is roughly what a scania is with it’s mid lift raised.,… Mine is anyway.
Limeyphil is right, it doesn’t matter if it raises it 2 ft, know what your running at and know the dimensions of your vehicle as running empty with the mid lift down because it runs lower in height is a poor weak excuse in my opinion. (and I know you said you run with it up anyway)
You haven’t taken a tape measure to a Scania then? When I got a 6 wheeler I measured it. The standard fifth wheel height is with the middle axle down. With it up it runs almost exactly 7 cm higher. I measured it myself. It seems to be the only make that does this. As for being a poor weak excuse, you try running at well over 4m in Europe and see how far you get. Once I got off boat in Calais in my 6x2 the midlift always stayed down
I have, like I said and on mine it’s actually 3cm out which is why I said roughly the same height.
We arnt talking about in Europe are we? In which case changes the whole point.
The point I’m trying to make is that every driver should know what they are running at, at any given time and driving around England with the mid lift down when empty because they want to run “3 inches lower” is a poor weak excuse.
It’s a poor excuse where ever you run in the world. Scania also got that beautiful fast ride height button that can be used at any speed. Get it correct programed and you can win almost 10cm from original ride height. Perfect approaching a lower bridge or tunnel, click the button and keep on driving as normal. When the object is passed click it back to normal ride height. Get the upper ride height correct also and it’s perfect to use when approaching big bumps in the road to get some more air in the bags.
Start driving, don’t be just being a steering wheel holding junkie.
Never driven a Scania with those buttons. And I’ve driven lots of Scanias. So not much point me learning about trucks I never drive is it.
You have to excuse me then cause I actually thought it was STD equipment on the R series, used to work for a body builder factory before i started driving and never ever seen one without it even there (used a lot while building to get the truck fast up in the air) and all 22 trucks where I work now has it. Anyway that button works like the M1 and M2 buttons on the air suspension panel.
To answer the question I would lift the axle up without any hesitation. If it’s on the trailer and I’m not loaded to absolute maximum I would take two straps and bind the axle up and drive to the nearest shop on my route. But I would never ever stop on the highway to wait for help.
switchlogic:
I have, like I said and on mine it’s actually 3cm out which is why I said roughly the same height.
We arnt talking about in Europe are we? In which case changes the whole point.
The point I’m trying to make is that every driver should know what they are running at, at any given time and driving around England with the mid lift down when empty because they want to run “3 inches lower” is a poor weak excuse.
When you say every driver should know what height they are running at, is that ‘roughly’ or precisely?
My point is its clear that some companies have this as a policy because of the Scania situation. After all look how many drivers didn’t realise it runs higher when up. Sometimes its just to save trouble and if that’s the way a company wants to run its business so be it. After all I know you have your big shiny V8 every day but some drive a different make each day and it would be easy to have a lapse of concentration. Too many people on here seem to get annoyed at things other people and companies do.
Touche, Precisely.
That’s true but it isnt good practice is it? The driver should know his vehicle. If a companies policy is to do this to stop drivers hitting bridges then they should get rid of the turn the key and drive with blinkers on brigade and employ decent professional drivers, but as you say its up to them but the dangers of running with the mid lift down empty far out weigh the possibility of hitting a bridge with it up in my opinion, nice greasy smooth tarmac on a slight bend or slip road.
If you really wanted to be fussy you could mess with the ride height manually but surely this would only increase mid lift (when lifted) tyre scrub when going over bumps/lumps in the road and kind of defeat the object of having it lifted. Never heard of the ride height increasing on the likes of a MAN TGX 6x2 or any other truck with a 6x2 mid lift set up. I stand to be corrected.
Somewhere in Leatherhead, a frustrated old man still living with his mum in a room plastered with pictures of Convoy and a shrine to Scargill has just felt a tingling in his groin. I fear this thread will soon be 47 pages of [zb] and google links explaining why the lift axle is all Thatchers fault 
