If we lose Sun he probably will (and probably should) go.
If we win I would like to see him take us into the next World Cup in 2 years.
So is tonight ganna be the end of 58 âyears of hurtâ at last?..is it coming home? 
Letâs av it.
Cant help remembering all the disappointments at previous Euros and World CupsâŚbut trying not to think about that.
Iâm watching it quietly at home tonight, I decided the pub would be horrendously hectic ,with more chance of winning the lottery than getting served at the bar, and a large contingent of d/heads to sit (or stand) amongst shoulder to shoulder in a crush would do my low tolerant swede right in I reck. 
Christ that makes me sound old to what I was once like.
So itâs me and my youngest lad in front of tv with a case of chiled John Smiths at hand, and a pizza ordered at half time from my lovely wifeâŚbut she may spit on it though to get revenge on me for making fun of the NL result.
Come on England.
Well they all said weâre going for it and weâre going to play our best and on paper you couldnât have a better selection of players to choose from, but it wasnât to be
Second half was entertaining some good football played, spain were very good.
There has to be more to this England team, it looked like spain had the freedom of the pitch and England were restricted at times
We can all talk about tactics and i have and i am sure in tomorrowâs paper there will questions to be asked, it doesnât matter now itâs over, it has to be great to get to a final the better team won.
YepâŚCant argue with any of that.
Luck was not with us,.especially the 4 attempts of that one cornerâŚany other day the ball would have gone in.
Anyhoo âif onlyâsâ dont count.
Thatâs football.
Totally gutted.
According to Rob we were never going to play Spain and Germany would knock them out.What would I know about football.
They were lucky my prediction of 3-0 ended up only 2-1.Englandâs passing and possession was hopeless.
Carryfast mate you seem to have this condition whereby you NEED to be proven right âŚeven when you are not.
When we had the conversation about Spain we were still in the group stages.
The way it was set out and the following fixtures meant we could not meet Spain in the GROUP STAGES.
I also suggested that Germany could beat Spain in the GROUP STAGES.
As we now know I was wrong.
(that admission did NOT hurt btw, you should try it sometime)
As for Knockout StagesâŚI aint Mystic Meg, we could (and did) meet anybody (including Spain) by the very nature of the tournament concept.
But if it makes your dayâŚYep you were right Spain beat us in the end.
As for your expert match analyisis âŚyou are rightâŚWhat do you know about football.
Their passing was the aspect they actually did well with, but yeah ok, the possesion ratio (imo) was about 70/30 against.
Way I see it is they can come home heads held highâŚwe got to the final.
It is at the stage now we kinda expect it, where as we were once just a group stage, quarter final or even non qualifying side and we expected one of those options every International tournament.
Just shows how petty and jealous they are, they were lucky to even qualify ffs.
So at the end of the day, whatever they think who actually gives af.
Unless my glasses need changing their hopeless inaccurate passing was the reason for their hopeless possession.An England pass was as, if not more, likely to find a Spanish player as an English one.
I was clearly talking about our chances v Spain in general at any point in the tournament.
England fans donât really help themselves with the arrogance often displayed, which leads many Scottish fans to simply wish not to have to put up with the years and years of going on about the most recent major win for England. I donât think I need to mention the year.
England fans were getting tattoos done with âEngland Euro 2024 Winnersâ before the final ffs. You would never catch a Scottish fan doing that, the tattoo and subsequent removal would cost far too much.
Thereâs a 'kin good reason you would never see a Scottish fan doing that.
Iâm assuming you are Scottish?
Iâm getting a sour grapes vibe here.
Weâre talking over confidence here rather than arrogance btw.
Me personally, I was convinced we had it in the bag, a forgone conclusion.
Me and a mate had a pact and a bet years ago as young lads, which we are intent in keeping regardless of age 
âŚIf England win anything we both get a 3 Lions leg tattooâŚif one chickens out he pays out.
I even asked my lad who has a lot of tattoos, who he recomended âŚ(I stopped short until the end of the final btw.)
To get back to the Jocks,.arrogance and over confidenceâŚ
Iâm old enough to remember âAllyâs Tartan Armyâ and their song they recorded which got in the chartsâŚit wasnt good btw, nor eligible for an Ivor Novello award.
ââWeâre all going tae Argentina, and weâll really shake em up,.when we WIN the Wurrld Cupââ âŚ
Aye dream on dont hold yer breaths ffs.
They managed to beat Spain though. 
Aye fair play, Iâll give you that one.
(Still cant help wondering HOW though.
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Lee Carsley could be the dark horse to succeed Southgate if he goes, he already turned down the irish job for some unknown reason
Eddie Howe would be a good choice
Names being mentioned also
Potter
Gerrard
Lampard
Rogers
Klopp
Poncho
how are the ladyâs team doing someone mentioned that have a cup on at the moment
Only way Scotland would beat Spain is if Spain wasnât trying to win couldnât be bothered the result didnât matter to them.
@carryfast I was referring to the fact that Scotland did beat Spain in the qualifiers and it was only the second game.
So mr Southgate has walked
Im trying to think of any England manager after finishing up who was ever successful
I mean like getting a job with big successful clubs, there has to be one or two
Is it a poison chalice for oneâs future especially for a manager in his 40s 50s
And whatâs this experienced thing, where would you find a experienced international manager out of work and good enough for job
Maybe call it as it is international manager wanted must have attacking knowledge and defence knowledge and be able to keep players and fans happy
Kieran McKenna please step up.
Dont worry about it mate.
CF by his own admission has already told us he knows nothing about football.
He seems to have a lot to say about it mind after saying that.
Lee Carsley?.
He already has international management experience at under 21 level.
Club management is a whole lot different.
Stuart Pearce?
Carryfast?