gazsa401:
What part of that don’t you understand? also what has a packet of 10s got to do with ruining this country ?
My original post was how the EU has helped close a British factory with its meddling
For crying out loud it was you who brought the banned packets into the discussion, not me, so to answer your last question, nothing. Nothing to do with 10s, tobacco or menthol ■■■■. Whatever Imperial’s reasons were it was to do with economics, not EU regulations.
If they can live with EU regs in Poland, they could have lived with EU regs in Nottingham.
You are blaming the wrong cause and effect.
How so if the factory was set up with packaging and production tooling for the certain package sizes and types which were banned.So tell us why don’t we see different package sizes and conventional and menthol cigs going down the same line here ?.
While we’ve also seen what EU regs did to the UK domestic truck component manufacturing sector such as ■■■■■■■■ and Fuller’s operations here.
Also why would the EU want to ban menthol types anyway bearing in mind there wouldn’t be any health issue and as you’ve said the EU isn’t in the business of economics assuuming the things just weren’t selling.
I must be misunderstanding the first part of your post.
Why would you expect a production line to mix products? Christmas cakes and mince-pies don’t come down the same production line.
The drop in EU and particularly UK tobacco consumption meant a factory has to shut.
If cigarettes were still being sold I reckon they would have changed the pack size without too much hassle.
Seems there are health implications regarding menthol cigarettes. They appear to be more addictive than normal ciggies. And being equally harmful to non-flavour-injected ciggies seems that is the reason for the ban. Again if cigs were profitable all they had to do was stop injecting menthol flavour into the baccy.
You didn’t ‘misunderstand’ you’ve actually just confirmed that a production operation mostly geared up to produce pack sizes of 10 can’t suddenly switch to a different size without a change in tooling which seems to be the point in this case.
As for menthol types it’s me that’s misunderstood the things.So they are just conventional cigs injected with menthol flavouring.Great so just stop the menthol flavouring job done.It seems strange why they’d want to stop production just based on that.
They obviously didn’t ‘shut’ a factory they actually replaced production with another one in a different EU state obviously with lower wage expectation labour.Although we’ve also seen UK industry transferred to higher wage states like Germany.Which makes the case for the single market and freedom of movement of capital how.
When surely it would have been in the interests of Brit workers to be in a non aligned state which could unilaterally impose barriers to stop such transfers.While if the UK market had supposedly collapsed how do you explain a market large enough to sustain a combined German,Dutch and Polish export operation.Thereby adding to our unsustainable trade deficit and removing job opportunities thereby increasing the labour supply and lowering wages and resulting effects on tax revenues.
Spardo do you not think that the Dutch a French drivers you spoke to think its a bad move for us to exit as to keep the stinking EU together they will have to pick up the shortfall of the UK government input, just my thoughts but it is a significant amount of money, Buzzer
Eddie Heaton:
Sorry about this fodenway, we all have different views, and I just happen to think that the French are on top of the job. Can you imagine what would happen if there were to be a referendum in France on leaving the EU, when the populace, having voted to leave, the French government fannied about for almost two years, squirming around and pontificating about the possible consequences ?. My own view would be that the hotel de ville would by now be carpeted by a thick layer of cowshit.
The French don’t [zb] about. They saw off the bourbons in 1789, and they haven’t let up since. If it isn’t in their interests, they block the streets of theIr capital with their agricultural paraphernalia. And I for one don’t blame them.
I realise that it can be something of an inconvenience to us when they block the channel ports over some issue or other, or start stuffing live sheep into the faces of BBC reporters, but at least they don’t get down on all fours and take it up the arse…as is the ’ British Way '.
No need to apologise, Eddie, my point exactly. Our British ‘stiff upper lip’ has held us back in this respect too often, just quietly accepting whatever is foisted upon us whether it be from Whitehall, Strasbourg or Brussels instead of kicking off like the French do. I’m not saying it’s the right way, but it seems to work for them - the recent petrol tax increase being first postponed, then abandoned after the rioting, for example. As Buzzer says, once our sizeable contribution to EU coffers ends, expect more of the same when they are asked to dig deeper to cover the shortfall.
Spardo:
Well Gazzer, without quoting the whole of your long post, got to take you up an a point or 3.
The “No Deal” result, has upon till now, been buried or not talked about. Looks like in higher levels people are now thinking it’s a real possibility and are being more open and talking about it. The more people discuss it, the less frightening a result and effect it will be.
No deal is even more frightening now that more people know about it. And with good reason. It is simply not possible to reinvent a foreign trade policy overnight. It takes time, and in the meantime there will be very hard times ahead. A little inconvenience does not even begin to cover it.
They (EU) need us more than we need them! Sure it will inconvenience people like me and the free wandering Students (who by sector majority voted OUT without considering the repercussions) but WE will deal with it and all that is thrown at us. It’s what we Brits do. We play by the rules, as opposed to others that skirt around the rules for their own benefit to the detriment of our fund contributions. If we are not contributing OUR money is not being squandered.
Again, not true, it is a pipe dream, the EU will do very well with 27 and only one lame duck dropping out. And wherever did you get the idea that ‘we Brits play by the rules’'? No we don’t, are you not old enough to remember the old permit dodging days? Or were you one of the one percent who was squeaky clean? I wasn’t, and freely admit it, I believed the whole system was faulty and slanted and was willing to do whatever I could to get round it. And do you really think that Britain will not be contributing, whether it’s money is squandered or not? It will be paying through the nose with all the systems required to counter the trade restrictions to come. As to inconvenience, are you a resident of Portugal, if so I would like your take on how your fellow Brits are planning to cope. I freely admit that I, personally am in dire straits over this. The French, some of them, are taking to heart the percieved bad treatment that their nationals are recieving in Britain and making life as difficult as possible for some of us. After nearly 20 years of law abiding working here I now have to prove that I am a worthy resident, and, in this area at least, I can’t even get to the first interview. I know personally of several who have given up and gone back to Blighty. Most of us can’t afford even that though.
Finally,
PS I read somewhere, any leaving country can continue to trade for up to 10 months on their existing terms. So March 29th is not a cliff edge after all.
Be glad to know where you read that. Dream on, and join the sleepwalk to the cliff edge.
Spardo,
You have referred to living in Portugal and what is the take of the expats here,I have retired here for the past 5 years,and as the majority of expats think(a local expat pole was taken)we should leave deal or no deal,I have not met any expat who is overly concerned,just get on with it,the Portuguese government has stated on record that regardless the British expats will always be welcomed here(in reality they need our €’s!)
Spardo:
Well Gazzer, without quoting the whole of your long post, got to take you up an a point or 3.
The “No Deal” result, has upon till now, been buried or not talked about. Looks like in higher levels people are now thinking it’s a real possibility and are being more open and talking about it. The more people discuss it, the less frightening a result and effect it will be.
No deal is even more frightening now that more people know about it. And with good reason. It is simply not possible to reinvent a foreign trade policy overnight. It takes time, and in the meantime there will be very hard times ahead. A little inconvenience does not even begin to cover it.
They (EU) need us more than we need them! Sure it will inconvenience people like me and the free wandering Students (who by sector majority voted OUT without considering the repercussions) but WE will deal with it and all that is thrown at us. It’s what we Brits do. We play by the rules, as opposed to others that skirt around the rules for their own benefit to the detriment of our fund contributions. If we are not contributing OUR money is not being squandered.
Again, not true, it is a pipe dream, the EU will do very well with 27 and only one lame duck dropping out. And wherever did you get the idea that ‘we Brits play by the rules’'? No we don’t, are you not old enough to remember the old permit dodging days? Or were you one of the one percent who was squeaky clean? I wasn’t, and freely admit it, I believed the whole system was faulty and slanted and was willing to do whatever I could to get round it. And do you really think that Britain will not be contributing, whether it’s money is squandered or not? It will be paying through the nose with all the systems required to counter the trade restrictions to come. As to inconvenience, are you a resident of Portugal, if so I would like your take on how your fellow Brits are planning to cope. I freely admit that I, personally am in dire straits over this. The French, some of them, are taking to heart the percieved bad treatment that their nationals are recieving in Britain and making life as difficult as possible for some of us. After nearly 20 years of law abiding working here I now have to prove that I am a worthy resident, and, in this area at least, I can’t even get to the first interview. I know personally of several who have given up and gone back to Blighty. Most of us can’t afford even that though.
Finally,
PS I read somewhere, any leaving country can continue to trade for up to 10 months on their existing terms. So March 29th is not a cliff edge after all.
Be glad to know where you read that. Dream on, and join the sleepwalk to the cliff edge.
Spardo,
You have referred to living in Portugal and what is the take of the expats here,I have retired here for the past 5 years,and as the majority of expats think(a local expat pole was taken)we should leave deal or no deal,I have not met any expat who is overly concerned,just get on with it,the Portuguese government has stated on record that regardless the British expats will always be welcomed here(in reality they need our €’s!)
David
Bang on David not just in Portugal but all of the EU, Buzzer.
Buzzer:
Spardo do you not think that the Dutch a French drivers you spoke to think its a bad move for us to exit as to keep the stinking EU together they will have to pick up the shortfall of the UK government input, just my thoughts but it is a significant amount of money, Buzzer
Those I’ve spoken to, who think Brexit is a good idea, are concerned about the rise of East Euro trucks in international work.
Those who can’t understand why we’re leaving, see us leaving a big free market, and risking loosing our main export market.
None I’ve spoken with have talked about contributions to Brussels.
Clearly that’s not a wide or representative sample or owt. Just a few discussions at the dinner table or on coffee breaks with warehouse staff or office workers.
As I said most seem to think we’re making a mistake, but not all.
Spardo:
Well Gazzer, without quoting the whole of your long post, got to take you up an a point or 3.
The “No Deal” result, has upon till now, been buried or not talked about. Looks like in higher levels people are now thinking it’s a real possibility and are being more open and talking about it. The more people discuss it, the less frightening a result and effect it will be.
No deal is even more frightening now that more people know about it. And with good reason. It is simply not possible to reinvent a foreign trade policy overnight. It takes time, and in the meantime there will be very hard times ahead. A little inconvenience does not even begin to cover it.
They (EU) need us more than we need them! Sure it will inconvenience people like me and the free wandering Students (who by sector majority voted OUT without considering the repercussions) but WE will deal with it and all that is thrown at us. It’s what we Brits do. We play by the rules, as opposed to others that skirt around the rules for their own benefit to the detriment of our fund contributions. If we are not contributing OUR money is not being squandered.
Again, not true, it is a pipe dream, the EU will do very well with 27 and only one lame duck dropping out. And wherever did you get the idea that ‘we Brits play by the rules’'? No we don’t, are you not old enough to remember the old permit dodging days? Or were you one of the one percent who was squeaky clean? I wasn’t, and freely admit it, I believed the whole system was faulty and slanted and was willing to do whatever I could to get round it. And do you really think that Britain will not be contributing, whether it’s money is squandered or not? It will be paying through the nose with all the systems required to counter the trade restrictions to come. As to inconvenience, are you a resident of Portugal, if so I would like your take on how your fellow Brits are planning to cope. I freely admit that I, personally am in dire straits over this. The French, some of them, are taking to heart the percieved bad treatment that their nationals are recieving in Britain and making life as difficult as possible for some of us. After nearly 20 years of law abiding working here I now have to prove that I am a worthy resident, and, in this area at least, I can’t even get to the first interview. I know personally of several who have given up and gone back to Blighty. Most of us can’t afford even that though.
Finally,
PS I read somewhere, any leaving country can continue to trade for up to 10 months on their existing terms. So March 29th is not a cliff edge after all.
Be glad to know where you read that. Dream on, and join the sleepwalk to the cliff edge.
Spardo,
You have referred to living in Portugal and what is the take of the expats here,I have retired here for the past 5 years,and as the majority of expats think(a local expat pole was taken)we should leave deal or no deal,I have not met any expat who is overly concerned,just get on with it,the Portuguese government has stated on record that regardless the British expats will always be welcomed here(in reality they need our €’s!)
David
Bang on David not just in Portugal but all of the EU, Buzzer.
I was in Tomar a couple of weeks ago,there was a group table in a nice restaurant the diners being predominantly British,I was surprised to hear how many were British expats from France,and their main reason for moving or retiring to Portugal was the animosity being dished out to the expats in France since the begining of Brexit,not good,haven’t witnessed any such animosity here,and don’t think I ever will.
Buzzer:
Spardo do you not think that the Dutch a French drivers you spoke to think its a bad move for us to exit as to keep the stinking EU together they will have to pick up the shortfall of the UK government input, just my thoughts but it is a significant amount of money, Buzzer
You have referred to living in Portugal and what is the take of the expats here,I have retired here for the past 5 years,and as the majority of expats think(a local expat pole was taken)we should leave deal or no deal,I have not met any expat who is overly concerned,just get on with it,the Portuguese government has stated on record that regardless the British expats will always be welcomed here(in reality they need our €’s!)
I was in Tomar a couple of weeks ago,there was a group table in a nice restaurant the diners being predominantly British,I was surprised to hear how many were British expats from France,and their main reason for moving or retiring to Portugal was the animosity being dished out to the expats in France since the begining of Brexit,not good,haven’t witnessed any such animosity here,and don’t think I ever will.
David
That sounds like good news, David. Do you have a residency permit, or have you been advised that you will need one after the end of March? Portugal was certainly a destination I have been thinking about, but no good jumping out of the frying pan into the fire.
The bureaucracy is really bad here, and it differs from departement to departement. A couple I know who only came to live in the Limousin a few months ago have already recieved their residencies. Those of us who have lived in the Dordogne for more than 5 years have to provide proof that we have. That ‘proof’ runs to around 50 documents, in duplicate.
You have referred to living in Portugal and what is the take of the expats here,I have retired here for the past 5 years,and as the majority of expats think(a local expat pole was taken)we should leave deal or no deal,I have not met any expat who is overly concerned,just get on with it,the Portuguese government has stated on record that regardless the British expats will always be welcomed here(in reality they need our €’s!)
I was in Tomar a couple of weeks ago,there was a group table in a nice restaurant the diners being predominantly British,I was surprised to hear how many were British expats from France,and their main reason for moving or retiring to Portugal was the animosity being dished out to the expats in France since the begining of Brexit,not good,haven’t witnessed any such animosity here,and don’t think I ever will.
David
That sounds like good news, David. Do you have a residency permit, or have you been advised that you will need one after the end of March? Portugal was certainly a destination I have been thinking about, but no good jumping out of the frying pan into the fire.
The bureaucracy is really bad here, and it differs from departement to departement. A couple I know who only came to live in the Limousin a few months ago have already recieved their residencies. Those of us who have lived in the Dordogne for more than 5 years have to provide proof that we have. That ‘proof’ runs to around 50 documents, in duplicate.
Hi Spardo,
Funny you should bring residency up,when we retired here,you are automatically given a 5 year residency.
We had to renew ours with a 10 year residency at the conclusion of the 5 year,this was carried out last month,a 45 minute interview in Leiria at SEF and we walked away with our 10 year cards,no problems,a little apprehensive,but totally unfounded.
Our only regret is that we didn’t retire here to central Portugal earlier!
Funny you should bring residency up,when we retired here,you are automatically given a 5 year residency.
We had to renew ours with a 10 year residency at the conclusion of the 5 year,this was carried out last month,a 45 minute interview in Leiria at SEF and we walked away with our 10 year cards,no problems,a little apprehensive,but totally unfounded.
Our only regret is that we didn’t retire here to central Portugal earlier!
David
We came in '99 and immediately got a 10 year carte de sejour, which allowed me to work. Although I didn’t personally seek to renew it, the official line was that there was no need for EU citizens, so we didn’t. (In fact some officials refused on the grounds that they didn’t exist anymore).
Now, of course, things have (or will have) changed and, as non EU citzens we have to apply anew. Of course everyone and his dog is clogging the system up. But certain fonctionaries are demonstrating their prejudices by using this as an excuse to be obstructive.
Could you speak Portuguese when you first arrived, and were you required to at this latest interview?
Funny you should bring residency up,when we retired here,you are automatically given a 5 year residency.
We had to renew ours with a 10 year residency at the conclusion of the 5 year,this was carried out last month,a 45 minute interview in Leiria at SEF and we walked away with our 10 year cards,no problems,a little apprehensive,but totally unfounded.
Our only regret is that we didn’t retire here to central Portugal earlier!
David
We came in '99 and immediately got a 10 year carte de sejour, which allowed me to work. Although I didn’t personally seek to renew it, the official line was that there was no need for EU citizens, so we didn’t. (In fact some officials refused on the grounds that they didn’t exist anymore).
Now, of course, things have (or will have) changed and, as non EU citzens we have to apply anew. Of course everyone and his dog is clogging the system up. But certain fonctionaries are demonstrating their prejudices by using this as an excuse to be obstructive.
Could you speak Portuguese when you first arrived, and were you required to at this latest interview?
