Eu referendum whats your vote

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Anyone else noticed this last week there have been edicts from leading bodies including the Govt. advising what to do on a “No Deal” situation.

The “No Deal” result, has upon till now, been buried or not talked about. Looks like in higher levels people are now thinking it’s a real possibility and are being more open and talking about it. The more people discuss it, the less frightening a result and effect it will be.

They (EU) need us more than we need them! Sure it will inconvenience people like me and the free wandering Students (who by sector majority voted OUT without considering the repercussions) but WE will deal with it and all that is thrown at us. It’s what we Brits do. We play by the rules, as opposed to others that skirt around the rules for their own benefit to the detriment of our fund contributions. If we are not contributing OUR money is not being squandered.

We need more info, such as the contribution by Buzzer, who knicked it from elsewhere to formulate a wholesome informed opinion of REAL life in the EU and the populous personal opinions. For my location, the locals don’t give a toss for themselves but they are all concerned for us (Brits) and what it will mean to us. Nice to know they care. In secret are they worried about the withdrawl on investment by us Brits from here (and Portugal, France etc) that have revitalised dead rural locations. The Social Security system is far from benevolent in Spain but they get by. If there’s no work (and I mean NO work) they rely on family. Very few get on their bike ala Norman Tebbitt. Preferring to take the country’s peseta and sit it out. The going (if that’s what will happen) of the Brit’s (and any followers afterwards) won’t make them blink. Their meagre existence will carry on. Pedro Sanchez (the Prime Minister) has just hiked the minimum wage by 22%. Who’s paying for that? Employing people here is a punitive nightmare let alone working for yourself. No one has the motivation to get on.

As a side note, a family of Rumanians that have lived here in Spain since 2003, visited Bristol, where they have family, with a fact finding tour to relocate. The first comment was the dismal weather, then yes there were well paid jobs but the costs associated with daily living blew their minds. To them it didn’t add up. A shame really because as a family they are all hard workers ( apart from the 8 year old) and would be a credit to the UK and not a drain on society. They just want to improve their lot.

I’m in the BOB camp, Bored of Brexit. Get on wiv it and GET OUT, NO DEAL! Actually it’s a bit like Deal or No Deal. Noel as Mother Theresa, ringing up the Banker (Juncker) for another offer. We’re all out of offers, we’re down to the last box, ship or bust! But we wont go bust, we can trade with anyone, they want our quality. we don’t do China cheap. Be careful though we don’t go down the “British is best” route of the '70s with the likes of British Leyland etc. That would be a disaster. Trade is key but not at any cost.

PS I read somewhere, any leaving country can continue to trade for up to 10 months on their existing terms. So March 29th is not a cliff edge after all.

Happy Christmas to you all.

2402

Well Gazzer, without quoting the whole of your long post, got to take you up an a point or 3.

The “No Deal” result, has upon till now, been buried or not talked about. Looks like in higher levels people are now thinking it’s a real possibility and are being more open and talking about it. The more people discuss it, the less frightening a result and effect it will be.

No deal is even more frightening now that more people know about it. And with good reason. It is simply not possible to reinvent a foreign trade policy overnight. It takes time, and in the meantime there will be very hard times ahead. A little inconvenience does not even begin to cover it.

They (EU) need us more than we need them! Sure it will inconvenience people like me and the free wandering Students (who by sector majority voted OUT without considering the repercussions) but WE will deal with it and all that is thrown at us. It’s what we Brits do. We play by the rules, as opposed to others that skirt around the rules for their own benefit to the detriment of our fund contributions. If we are not contributing OUR money is not being squandered.

Again, not true, it is a pipe dream, the EU will do very well with 27 and only one lame duck dropping out. And wherever did you get the idea that ‘we Brits play by the rules’'? No we don’t, are you not old enough to remember the old permit dodging days? Or were you one of the one percent who was squeaky clean? I wasn’t, and freely admit it, I believed the whole system was faulty and slanted and was willing to do whatever I could to get round it. And do you really think that Britain will not be contributing, whether it’s money is squandered or not? It will be paying through the nose with all the systems required to counter the trade restrictions to come. As to inconvenience, are you a resident of Portugal, if so I would like your take on how your fellow Brits are planning to cope. I freely admit that I, personally am in dire straits over this. The French, some of them, are taking to heart the percieved bad treatment that their nationals are recieving in Britain and making life as difficult as possible for some of us. After nearly 20 years of law abiding working here I now have to prove that I am a worthy resident, and, in this area at least, I can’t even get to the first interview. I know personally of several who have given up and gone back to Blighty. Most of us can’t afford even that though.

Finally,

PS I read somewhere, any leaving country can continue to trade for up to 10 months on their existing terms. So March 29th is not a cliff edge after all.

Be glad to know where you read that. Dream on, and join the sleepwalk to the cliff edge.

2403

gazzer:
Anyone else noticed this last week there have been edicts from leading bodies including the Govt. advising what to do on a “No Deal” situation.

The “No Deal” result, has upon till now, been buried or not talked about. Looks like in higher levels people are now thinking it’s a real possibility and are being more open and talking about it. The more people discuss it, the less frightening a result and effect it will be.

They (EU) need us more than we need them! Sure it will inconvenience people like me and the free wandering Students (who by sector majority voted OUT without considering the repercussions) but WE will deal with it and all that is thrown at us. It’s what we Brits do. We play by the rules, as opposed to others that skirt around the rules for their own benefit to the detriment of our fund contributions. If we are not contributing OUR money is not being squandered.

We need more info, such as the contribution by Buzzer, who knicked it from elsewhere to formulate a wholesome informed opinion of REAL life in the EU and the populous personal opinions. For my location, the locals don’t give a toss for themselves but they are all concerned for us (Brits) and what it will mean to us. Nice to know they care. In secret are they worried about the withdrawl on investment by us Brits from here (and Portugal, France etc) that have revitalised dead rural locations. The Social Security system is far from benevolent in Spain but they get by. If there’s no work (and I mean NO work) they rely on family. Very few get on their bike ala Norman Tebbitt. Preferring to take the country’s peseta and sit it out. The going (if that’s what will happen) of the Brit’s (and any followers afterwards) won’t make them blink. Their meagre existence will carry on. Pedro Sanchez (the Prime Minister) has just hiked the minimum wage by 22%. Who’s paying for that? Employing people here is a punitive nightmare let alone working for yourself. No one has the motivation to get on.

As a side note, a family of Rumanians that have lived here in Spain since 2003, visited Bristol, where they have family, with a fact finding tour to relocate. The first comment was the dismal weather, then yes there were well paid jobs but the costs associated with daily living blew their minds. To them it didn’t add up. A shame really because as a family they are all hard workers ( apart from the 8 year old) and would be a credit to the UK and not a drain on society. They just want to improve their lot.

I’m in the BOB camp, Bored of Brexit. Get on wiv it and GET OUT, NO DEAL! Actually it’s a bit like Deal or No Deal. Noel as Mother Theresa, ringing up the Banker (Juncker) for another offer. We’re all out of offers, we’re down to the last box, ship or bust! But we wont go bust, we can trade with anyone, they want our quality. we don’t do China cheap. Be careful though we don’t go down the “British is best” route of the '70s with the likes of British Leyland etc. That would be a disaster. Trade is key but not at any cost.

PS I read somewhere, any leaving country can continue to trade for up to 10 months on their existing terms. So March 29th is not a cliff edge after all.

Happy Christmas to you all.

True about the ‘No deal’ being more and more on the news, but also the ‘2nd referendum’ thing is being mooted around, so anythings possible I suppose.

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" I freely admit that I, personally am in dire straits over this. The French, some of them, are taking to heart the perceived bad treatment that their nationals are receiving in Britain and making life as difficult as possible for some of us. After nearly 20 years of law abiding working here I now have to prove that I am a worthy resident, and, in this area at least, I can’t even get to the first interview." (quote)
Surely that speaks volumes about the character of the French, quite happy when things are to their advantage but quick to turn nasty when they they think they aren’t.
Remember the British beef lorry burnings a few years back, and the recent trawler incident? And now the “yellow jacket” protests - a bit more than a bit of shouting and banner-waving as is the British way.

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Spardo much as we have agreed and then again not in the past your almost admitting your about to be scuppered does that not tell you what the French are all about, give you an umbrella when the sun is shining and take it away when its ■■■■■■■ down, anyways sounds like you don’t want to come back to this stinking sinking country anyways so where will you go next ? As for the yellow jacket brigade I can only see that spreading and the French are not known for standing by they always take action no matter who or what they damage in the process, I call it arrogance but I suspect you call it summit else.
The truth of the EU is that the 27 remaining EU members are definitely struggling financially, Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal and France all on the brink, Holland also with taxes about to double to makeup for the shortfall of our contributions, the old saying springs to mind " you cant get blood out of a stone " and it wont take much for the whole of the EU to collapse, money is the blood and right now the EU is getting very close to needing a massive transfusion but where from no one knows and the only way is down, any one with nouse at the moment is outing the Euro into Dollars ask yourself why.
We as a company do not buy fuel in the EU anymore as we were given warnings by the provider we used we may not get our VAT back as things are looking dicey, we buy all fuel in Blighty now to avoid getting a hit a complete turn round from years gone bye, and as a point it is now cheaper in the UK anyways.
On the point of permits coming back we have applied for them but at the moment we wont get any as we don’t have Euro six trucks but that may change as we can implement change if we come out with no deal and refuse entry to foriegners or make a supercharge for our roads to make there job unprofitable, what ever happens I suspect we will have to work together for any progress to be made;
Finishing off you are retired and live in France a choice you made as did several drivers we employed in the past, also I know of others who made that choice probably ten in all but like it or not you are not important to the French as you are not paying working taxes so they don’t give a toss about the likes of your kind its the way they are, Buzzer

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Buzzer:
Holland also with taxes about to double to makeup for the shortfall of our contributions,

Really?
iamexpat.nl/expat-info/dutc … tal-budget

2407

gazzer:
We need more info, such as the contribution by Buzzer, who knicked it from elsewhere to formulate a wholesome informed opinion of REAL life in the EU and the populous personal opinions.

Getting more info is a good thing. Agreed.
Seeing others opinions is also a good thing. Agreed. Confusing a screen shot of a personal opinion with factsorinfo isnt.

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Spardo:

Buzzer:
This thread should be a no smoking zone, I gave up ten years ago so you lot should try as well you will feel much better without the ■■■■, Buzzer

You must be one of the newer fellas. My last ■■■ was in 1984, and that was just a test to see if I missed it since giving up 10 years before that. I didn’t, so I didn’t restart. :laughing:

You must be strong willed Spardo. I’ve never smoked, so I’ll never miss them. By the same token I should never have started drinking white wine…

A driver who worked for me had quit 15 years before and he used to say ’ I could murder a ■■■ right now, I love the smell of the smoke in the pub (well, it was a while ago) but if I have one cigarette I’ll be back on 20 a day in a week!’

John.

2409

Spardo:

gazsa401:
What part of that don’t you understand? also what has a packet of 10s got to do with ruining this country ?
My original post was how the EU has helped close a British factory with its meddling

For crying out loud it was you who brought the banned packets into the discussion, not me, so to answer your last question, nothing. Nothing to do with 10s, tobacco or menthol ■■■■. Whatever Imperial’s reasons were it was to do with economics, not EU regulations.

If they can live with EU regs in Poland, they could have lived with EU regs in Nottingham.

You are blaming the wrong cause and effect.

How so if the factory was set up with packaging and production tooling for the certain package sizes and types which were banned.So tell us why don’t we see different package sizes and conventional and menthol cigs going down the same line here ?.

youtube.com/watch?v=-5dmPXrcooc

While we’ve also seen what EU regs did to the UK domestic truck component manufacturing sector such as ■■■■■■■■ and Fuller’s operations here.

Also why would the EU want to ban menthol types anyway bearing in mind there wouldn’t be any health issue and as you’ve said the EU isn’t in the business of economics assuuming the things just weren’t selling.

2410

fodenway:
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Surely that speaks volumes about the character of the French, quite happy when things are to their advantage but quick to turn nasty when they they think they aren’t.
Remember the British beef lorry burnings a few years back, and the recent trawler incident? And now the “yellow jacket” protests - a bit more than a bit of shouting and banner-waving as is the British way.

No different to the British character in that respect, do unto others as they do unto you. The French see the difficulties and the flight from Britain of their compatriates and behave likewise. But it isn’t the French in general that I am speaking about, they are as friendly as ever and I have no bother or resentment from the other drivers that I eat with in the routiers, it is the bureaucrats, the jobs for life bods (just like in Britain, the same the world over) who take their petty resentments out on who they can.

One small correction to Buzzer’s post. I did not come over here to retire, I came here to work and decided to stay. There is a subtle difference though I do not condemn or blame those who came after retirement, each to his own.

It is true that life in Britain after Brexit does not appeal to me. How could it, holding the views that I do about the disaster it will become, but poverty might force me back to live off the state, just like many of my compatriates in the same boat.

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Spardo:

fodenway:
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Surely that speaks volumes about the character of the French, quite happy when things are to their advantage but quick to turn nasty when they they think they aren’t.
Remember the British beef lorry burnings a few years back, and the recent trawler incident? And now the “yellow jacket” protests - a bit more than a bit of shouting and banner-waving as is the British way.

No different to the British character in that respect, do unto others as they do unto you. The French see the difficulties and the flight from Britain of their compatriates and behave likewise. But it isn’t the French in general that I am speaking about, they are as friendly as ever and I have no bother or resentment from the other drivers that I eat with in the routiers, it is the bureaucrats, the jobs for life bods (just like in Britain, the same the world over) who take their petty resentments out on who they can.

One small correction to Buzzer’s post. I did not come over here to retire, I came here to work and decided to stay. There is a subtle difference though I do not condemn or blame those who came after retirement, each to his own.

It is true that life in Britain after Brexit does not appeal to me. How could it, holding the views that I do about the disaster it will become, but poverty might force me back to live off the state, just like many of my compatriates in the same boat.

Just a note while we were having our Crimbo meal in the chinky only last night I was talking to " Snapper " Morrison, now I only see some of the drivers now and again if I visit the yard and they happen to be there and he was telling me he was having a meal in a routier some place and Brexit was being discussed and there was a French driver included in the discussions and snapper said it wont be long before the French tried to join us and called it Frexit, much to amusement to this driver, each and every man doing the same job, Buzzer

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Question— What do you do with a pile of ■■■■■ set out in a field–Answer-- You spread it far and wide and it eventually disappears into the ground. So this is what should happen to the EU and the sooner the better. Cheers Bewick.

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Spardo:
It is true that life in Britain after Brexit does not appeal to me. How could it, holding the views that I do about the disaster it will become, but poverty might force me back to live off the state, just like many of my compatriates in the same boat.

How do you equate a trade deficit combined with net contributions all running into a three figure number of billions and being ruled by unelected scumbags like Juncker and Commissioner Politburo and foreign majority MEP vote.All as a vassal state of the illegal self appointed,but legally non existent,country of the EU,as supposedly being good for us and seceding from it a so called ‘disaster’.A disaster for who exactly ?.

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Sorry about this fodenway, we all have different views, and I just happen to think that the French are on top of the job. Can you imagine what would happen if there were to be a referendum in France on leaving the EU, when the populace, having voted to leave, the French government fannied about for almost two years, squirming around and pontificating about the possible consequences ?. My own view would be that the hotel de ville would by now be carpeted by a thick layer of cowshit.

The French don’t ■■■■ about. They saw off the bourbons in 1789, and they haven’t let up since. If it isn’t in their interests, they block the streets of theIr capital with their agricultural paraphernalia. And I for one don’t blame them.

I realise that it can be something of an inconvenience to us when they block the channel ports over some issue or other, or start stuffing live sheep into the faces of BBC reporters, but at least they don’t get down on all fours and take it up the arse…as is the ’ British Way '.

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^^^^^:):):slight_smile: hit the nail on the head there Eddie. When parliament votes for a second referendum, with a three way choice, which guarantees remain, we’ll be saying ‘Oh, I say, excuse me, that’s not fair!!!’

Meanwhile, if there ever is a Frexit, whatever les ‘enfants de la patrie’ decide, will go through - even if Macron does not agree!

John.

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Bewick:
Question— What do you do with a pile of [zb] set out in a field–Answer-- You spread it far and wide and it eventually disappears into the ground. So this is what should happen to the EU and the sooner the better. Cheers Bewick.

Ironically that could actually be a good analogy of the EU.IE an idea that started off in the form of German Federalism that they never gave up on spreading throughout Europe.Now they’ve finally succeeded in turning the whole place into a festering polluted crap hole made in the image of Otto von Bismark’s Reich.

As opposed to pour petrol on it and burn it before it has the chance to infect the ground and spread. :wink:

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Eddie Heaton:
Sorry about this fodenway, we all have different views, and I just happen to think that the French are on top of the job. Can you imagine what would happen if there were to be a referendum in France on leaving the EU, when the populace, having voted to leave, the French government fannied about for almost two years, squirming around and pontificating about the possible consequences ?. My own view would be that the hotel de ville would by now be carpeted by a thick layer of cowshit.

You mean like when Le Pen was robbed of her election victory by Macron’s vote rigging. :unamused:

newspunch.com/marine-le-pen-election-rigged/

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ramone:
So Denmark have decided to shake it up a bit with a simple law which insists that anyone who wants to become a Danish national must be prepared to shake hands with authority . Nothing in that it seems but no , the press have got a hold of it and it now appears to be aimed at Muslims. Well why would this be a problem ? The problem is that Muslims dont like to make physical contact with non Muslims (try telling that to the people of Rotherham and Huddersfield) but the Danes have said a simple handshake the friendly Danish way is a must. What has this got to do with the EU you remainers might ask ….. well its the EU who have insisted on Denmark taking in migrants from Asia . When will people learn that mass immigration from cultures that don’t want to embrace the laws and customs of their new homes will never work (I can see the keyboard warriors typing RACIST already ).
I would like to know the result of a referendum of the whole of Europe to see who would remain and who would leave. I would guess Germany France Belguim Sweden and Holland would be out like a flash , and quite a few more too .But that will never happen ,then again if we get out it wont need to :wink:

According to Euractiv survey over 60% of French think the EU is a positive influence, and over 80% of Germans and Dutch too.
And that seems to have increased over the past year.

Edit to add.
The one driver in a restaurant that Buzzer mentions could be one that I’ve met?
There have been a few who like the idea of Frexit, but in my experiences most don’t understand us wanting to leave. Of course my dinner conversations aren’t a scientific survey.

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Franglais:
According to Euractiv survey over 60% of French think the EU is a positive influence, and over 80% of Germans and Dutch too.
And that seems to have increased over the past year.

Edit to add.
The one driver in a restaurant that Buzzer mentions could be one that I’ve met?
There have been a few who like the idea of Frexit, but in my experiences most don’t understand us wanting to leave. Of course my dinner conversations aren’t a scientific survey.

My experience too. I met one Danish driver who wanted out, and applauded the Leavers in Britain, but all the Dutch and French that I converse with think it a bad move, and sympathise with me.

I quoted a survey of all Europe some time ago which not only mirrored your quote above, Franglais, but said the reason given, when asked, for the firming of appreciation of the EU was the mess that Britain has been thrown into by the Brexit debacle.

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Carryfast:

Spardo:

gazsa401:
What part of that don’t you understand? also what has a packet of 10s got to do with ruining this country ?
My original post was how the EU has helped close a British factory with its meddling

For crying out loud it was you who brought the banned packets into the discussion, not me, so to answer your last question, nothing. Nothing to do with 10s, tobacco or menthol ■■■■. Whatever Imperial’s reasons were it was to do with economics, not EU regulations.

If they can live with EU regs in Poland, they could have lived with EU regs in Nottingham.

You are blaming the wrong cause and effect.

How so if the factory was set up with packaging and production tooling for the certain package sizes and types which were banned.So tell us why don’t we see different package sizes and conventional and menthol cigs going down the same line here ?.

youtube.com/watch?v=-5dmPXrcooc

While we’ve also seen what EU regs did to the UK domestic truck component manufacturing sector such as ■■■■■■■■ and Fuller’s operations here.

Also why would the EU want to ban menthol types anyway bearing in mind there wouldn’t be any health issue and as you’ve said the EU isn’t in the business of economics assuuming the things just weren’t selling.

I must be misunderstanding the first part of your post.
Why would you expect a production line to mix products? Christmas cakes and mince-pies don’t come down the same production line.
The drop in EU and particularly UK tobacco consumption meant a factory has to shut.
If cigarettes were still being sold I reckon they would have changed the pack size without too much hassle.

Seems there are health implications regarding menthol cigarettes. They appear to be more addictive than normal ciggies. And being equally harmful to non-flavour-injected ciggies seems that is the reason for the ban. Again if cigs were profitable all they had to do was stop injecting menthol flavour into the baccy.

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