ERF 'European' (1975)

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@Alexander: I do respect Robert though he did was very outspoken and possesive on the content.

Bear in mind he has a lot of on-road-experience and apparently ‘hidden’ contacts over here who
influence the general opinion on what IS/WAS ERF NGC. I remember several judgements to have
even lubrication charts ignored (being not interesting) or his remark " don’t believe everything
what you see (on bumpers) or printed nor exhibitioned, but I think he is ok.

To be honest, I doubt if new input on GENUINE content will be given forthcoming…but agree
with HIM (sounds like a God or padre familias) that this thread has become quite extensive good!

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En-Tour-Age:
The THREAD is yours!!! Inevitable however is the fact that YOU refer to the book
and the content (even which vehicle IS and IS NOT an European) meaning you are
guarding your written baby a lot, with all right and understanding.

To be honest…the more I read the many pages of this thread, YOU apparently
feel very much obliged to comment, (quote A-J: judge/doubt) the various
data and details to a level where the majority can and will not react nor correct.

Also I await your book with great interest next autumn or spring and we call it a day!

I think you are ok however easy to persuade to react and offend, only child of family?

You say ‘the THREAD is yours!!!’ :laughing: Well, with respect to the blogger who started it off, it certainly carries a mass of my contributions. But I think of it as ‘ours’. As for being a ‘guardian’ of this thread (and my written content), it is an honour to be permitted by the blogging community to be one.

I agree that I have declared what is a European and what isn’t; but I have also placed on the thread for you all the documentation and two articles (in particular) from which I draw that conclusion. They are there for you read and challenge anything I say.

Look for nothing sinister in what I do here: I am pretty straight forward sort of a fellow! Not easily offended about anything but I do hate to be misrepresented. Robert :slight_smile:

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Wtf is all this ownership nonsense about :exclamation:

As none of the contributers to this thread are or were members of the Foden family, none of you own anything :exclamation:

To me it seems that Robert is trying his very best to put together as much information on his beloved Europeans as possible and a couple of others are just being a pain in the arse, posting stuff, removing it, being offended, vowing never to return, blah, blah, blah.

For crying out loud, put this in to perspective, we’re talking about chassis numbers and photos of a lorry here, not a never before seen Van Gogh.

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Tough reaction and language…I am not the right attendee for this sort
of thread and I think a lot of discoveries are captured by now. Good luck.

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You know what Robert, I think they may be jealous that you know more about the European than they do…

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newmercman:
You know what Robert, I think they may be jealous that you know more about the European than they do…

And they have no excuse to be jealous, because I have been open and transparent to an unusual degree. Certainly, an awful lot of the energy that is currently being wasted on nit-picking, criticising and shaming, could better be spent on bringing more properly-researched, useful, meaningful written and pictorial material to the table. Robert

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robert1952:

newmercman:
You know what Robert, I think they may be jealous that you know more about the European than they do…

And they have no excuse to be jealous, because I have been open and transparent to an unusual degree. Certainly, an awful lot of the energy that is currently being wasted on nit-picking, criticising and shaming, could better be spent on bringing more properly-researched, useful, meaningful written and pictorial material to the table. Robert

Exactly!

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Evening all,…Oh chagrin!!!1

Gentlemen…what bessails you■■?

Please leave the petty jealouseys at the door…facts are to be shared…and enjoyed!!

ERF, had an export policy that was a shambles…only when sales at “home” were slack…did Europe figure…(oh, ultimate bore, that I am, I can supply stats covering the period 70/78, that bear out the truth of my statement)!

The Belgian market was a total “free for all”, anything and everything sold easily, Holland a joke as far as ERFs market penetration were to be considered., France , well they were so sparse as to be considered a rare sighting!!

Who on earth would consider trying to publish a book on ERF 7MW sales in Europe, and beyond??..Only an Englishman…(mad dogs etc…) But it is a worthy endeavour, and I am sure that I am not alone in being fascinated by the nett published result, and shall purchase a copy!

NMM is right, we are all observers, some have something of value to contribute,…so give freely…surely we are all “friends” on these sites…lets enjoy each others experiences, and knowledge,…and when we are dealing with such a “confused” company as ERF…well it is no wonder that the various models seem to be so overlapping in specification, and designation!

Ishall sup a rather large Bollinger while`st considering the vagaries of ERF,…(and I know them from personal experience…),

Robert keep on with your book…ERF, (A J ), and En Tour Age, Please stick with it…En Tour, did you supply Igor, (MABO), with that Ultraliner…same time as I supplied Daniel Wauthier with his■■?..Boy did that deal cause some consternation in the Executive Suite at Allentown)!!!

Keep going folkes…there is more to be shared…

Cheerio for now.

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This thread has intrigued me to the point where I too will be purchasing a copy of the book.

I am not a fan of ERFs either, far from it in fact. So for me to look forward to reading about them is some accolade.

I don’t understand all the “ownership” of info or pictures, as Saviem says, we’re all lorry men and sharing never before seen pics or info makes us all a little more knowledgeable and that can’t be a bad thing.

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newmercman:
This thread has intrigued me to the point where I too will be purchasing a copy of the book.

I am not a fan of ERFs either, far from it in fact. So for me to look forward to reading about them is some accolade.

I don’t understand all the “ownership” of info or pictures, as Saviem says, we’re all lorry men and sharing never before seen pics or info makes us all a little more knowledgeable and that can’t be a bad thing.

Well said mate,i’m all for sharing pics and knowledge/memories and as for arguments"lifes too short",ta,Pete

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newmercman:
This thread has intrigued me to the point where I too will be purchasing a copy of the book.

I am not a fan of ERFs either, far from it in fact. So for me to look forward to reading about them is some accolade.

I don’t understand all the “ownership” of info or pictures, as Saviem says, we’re all lorry men and sharing never before seen pics or info makes us all a little more knowledgeable and that can’t be a bad thing.

I never thought i’d ever read that from you mercman, funny what a thread can do! :laughing: :laughing: :wink:
Chris.

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STRAIGHT EIGHT:

newmercman:
This thread has intrigued me to the point where I too will be purchasing a copy of the book.

I am not a fan of ERFs either, far from it in fact. So for me to look forward to reading about them is some accolade.

I don’t understand all the “ownership” of info or pictures, as Saviem says, we’re all lorry men and sharing never before seen pics or info makes us all a little more knowledgeable and that can’t be a bad thing.

I never thought i’d ever read that from you mercman, funny what a thread can do! :laughing: :laughing: :wink:
Chris.

I still don’t want to drive one :laughing:

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Right boys, more news coming in from ‘the front’. Jerry Cooke has very kindly put me in touch with someone involved in procuring ERF ‘Europeans’ for the Trans Arabia operation. So it’s fingers crossed for useful details to help us to put the jig-saw puzzle together. I’ll let you know as soon as I have meaningful jobbins. Robert

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robert1952:
Right boys, more news coming in from ‘the front’. Jerry Cooke has very kindly put me in touch with someone involved in procuring ERF ‘Europeans’ for the Trans Arabia operation. So it’s fingers crossed for useful details to help us to put the jig-saw puzzle together. I’ll let you know as soon as I have meaningful jobbins. Robert

Robert, let me know if he can still get them, i’ll have one.
Colin.

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colinwallace1:

robert1952:
Right boys, more news coming in from ‘the front’. Jerry Cooke has very kindly put me in touch with someone involved in procuring ERF ‘Europeans’ for the Trans Arabia operation. So it’s fingers crossed for useful details to help us to put the jig-saw puzzle together. I’ll let you know as soon as I have meaningful jobbins. Robert

Robert, let me know if he can still get them, i’ll have one.
Colin.

And I’ll have one for each hand! :laughing: Robert

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robert1952:

colinwallace1:

robert1952:
Right boys, more news coming in from ‘the front’. Jerry Cooke has very kindly put me in touch with someone involved in procuring ERF ‘Europeans’ for the Trans Arabia operation. So it’s fingers crossed for useful details to help us to put the jig-saw puzzle together. I’ll let you know as soon as I have meaningful jobbins. Robert

Robert, let me know if he can still get them, i’ll have one.
Colin.

And I’ll have one for each hand! :laughing: Robert

Just imagine, 2 or 3 of them at Gaydon in different livery!

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Perhaps that French thing, allegedly bought by Dutchmen will turn up alongside Corbishley’s unit one day… Robert

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Saviem:
En Tour Age, did you supply Igor, (MABO), with that Ultraliner…same time as I supplied Daniel Wauthier with his■■?
Boy did that deal cause some consternation in the Executive Suite at Allentown)!!!

There were some attempts ‘doing’ France just as Denonville/CDB since WW2 did so actively, however our business was
focused on Belgium, Netherlands and some close regions in Germany. I had ‘nothing’ to do with Mentré’s Ultraliner that
time but recall a brief meeting with the owner during Brussels-show, mid '80. Same with Henri Loste who were familiar
with CDB for a long time. It was our code to don’t pick customers, as parallel-purchasing was allowed but very rare.

Business with Igor was something special…and I soon got the feeling indeed ERF was secondary for some reason. Same
with Lauret on White and Autocar. I recently saw a listing of A-J who invested some time in ERF-dealers in France and
the majority ought to be very local with possibly other liabilities as business, for example generators, construction (some
of them with ■■■■■■■■ KHD and IR) and general supply/repair (Bosch, Delco, Ate, Don, Lockheed etc) but ‘nothing’ very
active with attractive or big sales-figures on vehicles.

Some owners were very dedicated to MACK, just like Wagner (Jumet/Gosselies) who were preferred transporter for the
once so extensive plant of Caterpillar and thus no ■■■■■■■ or Volvo allowed nor other makes also active in construction.

Santé avec votre Bollinger!

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Not belonging on this thread anymore

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We may marvel at Macks! I even stuck some (Trans Arabia) Macks on this thread myself, a page ago.

Though we be here to Eulogise ‘Europeans’ (ERF), we are always free to Fancy Fiats, Admire Atkinsons, Love Loheacs, Appreciate AECs, Worship Whites, Laud Leylands, Deify Dennisons (easy, Tiger!), Sanctify Scanias, Idolize Ivecos, Care for Kenworths (care for a Kenworth anyone?), Venerate Volvos, Revere Renaults, Honour Hinos and Prize Pegasos! Robert :laughing: