@Saviem: thank you for your nice compliment!
Picture of 1976 Amsterdam-exhibition, where Best Truck Import of Oud-Beijerland (Rotterdam-area) showed both NGC- and B-series,
however just been informed there is some Dutch-copyright, which I’ll respect.
I have now heard from Wobbe Reitsma regarding his caption for the picture of No.9 in his article, Flemish ERFs. He reports that yes, it was an error and that of course they were 335s. Robert
sime17:
Love the caption on this one, I’m sure that guy ran a Merc with an EPS box before (featured in a early nineties Truck mag IIRC) so ANYTHING would’ve seemed like the best unit you’d ever run after one of those severely hamstrung german Bedfords. I went the other way once (not a confession - bear with me…) having driven mostly twinsplit or Fuller ERFs I had a disastrous driving assessment on a Merc 1838 after literally a minute ‘tutorial’ from a driver beforehand. Awful things, you gad to clutch while you tapped the ‘joystick’ and leave the clutch down for an age or it would give you neutral. Agonisingly slow gearchange after the splits on a twinsplitter! I later went on to drive EPS + Telligent Mercs regularly so had the opportunity to really get to hate them. Sorry - am I straying off topic?
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My sentiments entirely, regarding just about any gearshift in Mercs. And here’s the offending unit to which you refer! Robert
By the way, it wasn’t just ERFs that looked splendid in Van Steenbergen livery!! Robert
ERF-Continental:
@Saviem: thank you for your nice compliment!For all-thread-particpants active in registrating data on the ERF NGC-series I herewith
attach an overview from the known vehicles on the continent. I kindly leave the other
countries (UK, KSA, UAE…) to what has been inputted by other participants over here.The columns “From” and “Till” refer to known year’s of existence, the column “#” refers
to sequence/rank (in case of more owners, so no double/triple counting) and the column
“DL” refers to driveline, so engine and gearbox, when known. To all particpants a genuine
word of thanks for providing background-information that made this register valuable!Happy continuation of (y)our research!
Thank you for your continued efforts with the new register. It will help to navigate our way. However, as several of these vehicles ended up in Jeddah it seems strange to me not to retain the integrity of the whole collection of 70 units in a single register. That way we can see at a glance if anything is doubled or tripled etc - just my personal opinion. Robert
robert1952:
sime17:
21Love the caption on this one, I’m sure that guy ran a Merc with an EPS box before (featured in a early nineties Truck mag IIRC) so ANYTHING would’ve seemed like the best unit you’d ever run after one of those severely hamstrung german Bedfords. I went the other way once (not a confession - bear with me…) having driven mostly twinsplit or Fuller ERFs I had a disastrous driving assessment on a Merc 1838 after literally a minute ‘tutorial’ from a driver beforehand. Awful things, you gad to clutch while you tapped the ‘joystick’ and leave the clutch down for an age or it would give you neutral. Agonisingly slow gearchange after the splits on a twinsplitter! I later went on to drive EPS + Telligent Mercs regularly so had the opportunity to really get to hate them. Sorry - am I straying off topic?
My sentiments entirely, regarding just about any gearshift in Mercs. And here’s the offending unit to which you refer! Robert
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That’s the jobby Robert! Estepe hi roof on that IIRC, too early for an in-house ‘eurocab’.
@Robert: well, we have been there…with various attempts to verify via mirror-brackets in }-, ]- and J-form, even grab handles,
indicators, bumpers and that ALL ended in being minor and/or interchangeable, so I kindly leave that to other participants now.
comments no longer relevant.
Newmercman was right it’s all about language headmaster
I for now really discontinue here, but I was ‘invited’ by the numerous wrong assumptions
with an obligation to keep history and data correct and not by doubting numerous times.
Our job as transport historians to sift information, doubt facts (while tentatively trusting them initially), challenge knowlege, judge opinion, assume certain things while we wait collectively to prove them right or wrong, reject details that no longer fit or are relevant, and so on.
This thread is a great discussion and a great debate. You have participated by bring meaningful stuff to the table (even if you have rather childishly removed it all again this evening). You have challenged / judged / doubted / assumed things about Wobbe Reitsma’s piece within the last 24 hours yourself! No body thought ill of you for that: quite the contrary we all expect you use your intelligence to help us to discover the info we need. In a debate, the secret is not to take every challenge personally - it’s all about ERFs and not about you (or me). Hope that helps a bit. And cheer up, TruckNet should be fun! Robert
On with the work in progress! Robert
@Robert: thank you very much for your direct and crisp opinion! You’re so right!
To all other participants that contributed in terms of content a warm thank you!
To my humble opinion everything is now said in more than 30 pages of a thread
and let’s wait for the hard-copy of Mr. ERF NGC with his book this spring and let’s
enjoy that as a heritage on what WAS, with or without Bollinger or Shep Neame.
A total of 68 NGC’s is not a bad harvest at all, the majority European-destination.
To be open, no new discoveries out of the CDB-records, no news on the Collin ERF.
It was nice to participate over here, but time for some other specialties now …
Sorry for the picture-collectors amongst us, I did receive a direct/warning PM to remove earlier input.
ERF-Continental:
@Robert: thank you very much for your direct and crisp opinion! You’re so right!
No problem! I do like to be right sometimes, and I accept that. And if you can prove me wrong, I’m quite happy to accept that too. Robert
robert1952:
ERF-Continental:
@Robert: thank you very much for your direct and crisp opinion! You’re so right!No problem! I do like to be right sometimes, and I accept that. And if you can prove me wrong, I’m quite happy to accept that too. Robert
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Welldone robert ,you are a true gent
robert1952:
ERF-Continental:
@Robert: thank you very much for your direct and crisp opinion! You’re so right!No problem! I do like to be right sometimes, and I accept that. And if you can prove me wrong, I’m quite happy to accept that too. Robert
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When is your book on the shelves then Robert,ta,Pete
I did withdraw your last input because of copyright, so be aware!
pete smith:
robert1952:
ERF-Continental:
@Robert: thank you very much for your direct and crisp opinion! You’re so right!No problem! I do like to be right sometimes, and I accept that. And if you can prove me wrong, I’m quite happy to accept that too. Robert
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When is your book on the shelves then Robert,ta,Pete
Well, as I’ve said before, the book was delayed by the take-over of Old Pond a few weeks ago. I’m due to see the new people in summer (probably July) when I visit UK. So I reckon it could be late autumn or even spring before we see it - that’s if the new management still wants to go ahead with it. All is not lost because I have the time, patience and tenacity to see it published by someone in the end! Robert
ERF-Continental:
I did withdraw your last input because of copyright, so be aware!
Robert has used one of my pics but it was not for financle gain,your pic or mine has not left trucknet forum so what is the problem we all friends on here so lets not be petty and argue lets share our memories and knowledge,ta,Pete