I’m not sure, but are the last two digits 25? Hard to tell isn’t it…If so, that’s the Besancon region, don’t know if one of the NGC’s were sold there…?
Cheers, Patrick
pv83:
I’m not sure, but are the last two digits 25? Hard to tell isn’t it…If so, that’s the Besancon region, don’t know if one of the NGC’s were sold there…?Cheers, Patrick
I thought ‘25’ too, Patrick. Thank you for the Besancon clue. You asked about the trailer a couple posts up - we’ll have to rely on Colin to answer that for us.
Meanwhile, it’s really looking as if DEANB has found us another NGC. He’s definitely the hero of the week on this thread! 
Robert
You mention reg 84-56-JB that was owned by Schaap ,and then went to Trans arabia.
This is a cracking pic.
DEANB:
You mention reg 84-56-JB that was owned by Schaap ,and then went to Trans arabia.This is a cracking pic.
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Well found again, Dean! This picture was actually taken by Ben Schaap himself, and Rene Postma sent it to me with Ben’s permission to use it in Lorries of Arabia 2, where a slightly clearer version of it appears on page 26. Nice to have on this thread nonetheless. It is seen here in the livery of Konig, a client. Robert
With reference to the wonderful picture that DEANB posted earlier this week (see below), I have contacted the driver of its sister ‘ship’ (KFH 249P), Chris Till, who thinks the location might be a side street near the British Club and Opera Hotel in Baghdad. He also said that it was possible that the picture had been taken by its regular driver, John Matley. No doubt we’ll find out in due course. In the meantime, keep up the good work, Dean! Robert
robert1952:
With reference to the wonderful picture that DEANB posted earlier this week (see below), I have contacted the driver of its sister ‘ship’ (KFH 249P) who thinks the location might be behind the British Club in Baghdad. He also said that it was possible that the picture had been taken by its regular driver, John Matley. No doubt we’ll find out in due course. In the meantime, keep up the good work, Dean! Robert0
Rob, may be worth popping that pic and message on the Astran middle east thread and see if any of those
drivers recognise it,or can confirm the location is Baghdad ■■
DEANB:
robert1952:
With reference to the wonderful picture that DEANB posted earlier this week (see below), I have contacted the driver of its sister ‘ship’ (KFH 249P) who thinks the location might be behind the British Club in Baghdad. He also said that it was possible that the picture had been taken by its regular driver, John Matley. No doubt we’ll find out in due course. In the meantime, keep up the good work, Dean! Robert0
Rob, may be worth popping that pic and message on the Astran middle east thread and see if any of those
drivers recognise it,or can confirm the location is Baghdad ■■
Good thinking, Batman! I’ll do it now. Meanwhile, I’ve just added your new French unit to the NGC Register 
. Cheers, Robert
DEANB:
Found this one looks like reg no 3756BT59 ?0
Blimey, Dean, you’ve struck gold this week! This is yet another new one! 
It’s a 6x4 with footholds below the bumper, so I’m wondering it may be another MCC that has received a replacement 8MW cab - the Van Driesshe unit from Belgium, perhaps (that ‘Macadam-woman’ spoke of). We know from that particular source that another Belgian unit (Hye of Antwerpen) received that treatment and passed to the French haulier, Cauvas. 
On the other hand, it might be another straight NGC that has been converted to 6x4 (like the Eyckmann’s unit and the Shamara unit). I’ll have to think about this one. 
But for the moment I am going to assume that it is an NGC until it proved to be otherwise.
Thanks Dean!
DEANB:
This is a new one chap,unless its in one of your books.Cant make the reg out but it was taken in Italy in 1974 .Did they start manufacturing in 1973 ■■
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Defo French plate.
Looks like 6** *M 25
Geoffo:
DEANB:
This is a new one chap,unless its in one of your books.Cant make the reg out but it was taken in Italy in 1974 .Did they start manufacturing in 1973 ■■
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Defo French plate.
Looks like 6** *M 25
Yes, I’d go for that! Cheers, Robert.
Have a look at these and compare them with the new pic Dean posted. I think that there is a chance that this could be the Pacific belonging to Loste in France. It received a replacement MW cab. If you look at the bumper hitch, the big rectangular footholds, the triple wipers, the grille, the wheelbase, the ride height and the position of the number plate; it seems possible that this could be the same vehicle in the livery of the owner following Loste. What do you think? Robert
Almost certainly the same vehicle- the front wheels are the same design. I think they are 24" wheels. What cab would the chassis have sported, before the 8(?)MW cab was put on? For that matter, what persuaded a Continental operator to choose a British cab?
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Almost certainly the same vehicle- the front wheels are the same design. I think they are 24" wheels. What cab would the chassis have sported, before the 8(?)MW cab was put on? For that matter, what persuaded a Continental operator to choose a British cab?
Ah yes, the wheels! That would account for the high ground-clearance. Loste also ran two regular 4x2 NGCs and they probably liked the roomy cabs and would have been able to procure a loose cab via the dealer. I assume the original cab was that strange frog-like cab Pacifics of the period had. I’ll see if I can find an image of it before the 7/8MW. Cheers, Robert
EDIT. Here’s a picture of a Loste Pacific. It may be the same one, but I don’t know if they had more than one.
Well, if this does prove to be Loste’s Pacific in a later guise, at least it gives us a registration number for it! Robert
Further to the discussion re Loste’s Pacific; it occurs to me that Loste’s pair of ERF NGCs would probably have been supplied by CDB (■■■■■■■■ in Belgium. We know from previous intelligence that France’s ■■■■■■■ distributor (Mabo) started supplying ERFs when the B-series came on stream. As the Pacific had a ■■■■■■■ 380 in it, this unit may also have been supplied by CDB - after all, we know they supplied other American units. If any CDB records exist, they may show that both the ERFs and the Pacific passed through their books, plus a single 8MW cab! Meanwhile, if anyone knows the registration number of that Pacific, we might be completely sure whether or not Dean’s picture and the Loste Pacific are one and the same. Loste were based in Hellemmes-Lille 59 by the way. Robert
robert1952:
With reference to the wonderful picture that DEANB posted earlier this week (see below), I have contacted the driver of its sister ‘ship’ (KFH 249P), Chris Till, who thinks the location might be a side street near the British Club and Opera Hotel in Baghdad. He also said that it was possible that the picture had been taken by its regular driver, John Matley. No doubt we’ll find out in due course. In the meantime, keep up the good work, Dean! Robert
‘Freshir’ on the Astran thread has confirmed that this is indeed the location. So thanks to Freshir for that. Another mystery solved. Robert
robert1952:
Have a look at these and compare them with the new pic Dean posted. I think that there is a chance that this could be the Pacific belonging to Loste in France. It received a replacement MW cab. If you look at the bumper hitch, the big rectangular footholds, the triple wipers, the grille, the wheelbase, the ride height and the position of the number plate; it seems possible that this could be the same vehicle in the livery of the owner following Loste. What do you think? Robert
Hello Robert, i thought you would like that pic !
You could well be right about Loste re cabbing a pacific. However i think this is a different one to the Loste
one as i have rechecked where i found the erf pic and there are these 2 pics of a pacific. They are also red
so maybe they had seen Loste do the conversion and did the same ■■ The pacific pictures are very small
unfortunately and even enlarging them its impossible to see a name for the company. However you can see
that it had a ballast box behind the cab which looks similar to the one on the erf.Obviously its impossible to
say if its exactly the same,but it does seem odd that these pics were with the erf.Therefore it would give
the impression that they possibly did do a cab swap ■■ Hopefully someone may know the name of the haulier
and then if we can find a pic of the Pacific we can see if its the same reg number as the erf ! 
I think thats the important thing to try and identify the haulier who had a red pacific.
DEANB:
robert1952:
Have a look at these and compare them with the new pic Dean posted. I think that there is a chance that this could be the Pacific belonging to Loste in France. It received a replacement MW cab. If you look at the bumper hitch, the big rectangular footholds, the triple wipers, the grille, the wheelbase, the ride height and the position of the number plate; it seems possible that this could be the same vehicle in the livery of the owner following Loste. What do you think? Robert543
Hello Robert, i thought you would like that pic !
You could well be right about Loste re cabbing a pacific. However i think this is a different one to the Loste
one as i have rechecked where i found the erf pic and there are these 2 pics of a pacific. They are also red
so maybe they had seen Loste do the conversion and did the same ■■ The pacific pictures are very small
unfortunately and even enlarging them its impossible to see a name for the company. However you can see
that it had a ballast box behind the cab which looks similar to the one on the erf.Obviously its impossible to
say if its exactly the same,but it does seem odd that these pics were with the erf.Therefore it would give
the impression that they possibly did do a cab swap ■■ Hopefully someone may know the name of the haulier
and then if we can find a pic of the Pacific we can see if its the same reg number as the erf !I think thats the important thing to try and identify the haulier who had a red pacific.
Some very good leads there, Dean. I’ll look into it and I’m sure there are others on here who can do the same. Cheers, Robert
I’ve found a clearer picture of the 2nd of those two orange Pacifics and you can see the number plate and it doesn’t match so we can rule that one out (see below)! Robert
