Here’s an interesting table from Commercial Motor 09/05/75, rounding up all the British tractive units available new at the time - including, of course, the ERF NGC. I’ve also included a page of the rigid fours which shows the drawbar version. Robert
Interesting stuff- did you notice that it shows the NGC 420 and NGC 380, but the difference is in the chassis, not the engine- both vehicles, according to the list, share the NTC335. I thought some NGCs had NTC290s? The list is not 100% reliable, of course- the 8 cylinder Guy is not even mentioned. 
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Interesting stuff- did you notice that it shows the NGC 420 and NGC 380, but the difference is in the chassis, not the engine- both vehicles, according to the list, share the NTC335. I thought some NGCs had NTC290s? The list is not 100% reliable, of course- the 8 cylinder Guy is not even mentioned.
The 240 Guy was, of course, hush-hush at the time along with the nuclear capability of certain Lincolnshire aerodromes (say no more!).
As for the NGC engines: the 290 was always only optional (and rare). The lighter straight-framed chassis appears never to have happened, as described in my book, because the cheaper 5MW-cabbed MGC took care of that market.
I have now received my copy of the latest issue of REVS News International. The picture of JDF 132N in ERF demo livery is fascinating. It bears the word Demonstrator on the radiator and has a red & white striped bumper with a TIR-plate attached. The cab is in ERF’s ‘rocket red’ and the chassis, hubs and battery box are in silver (though perversely, the tread-plate on the steps has been painted over in red!). Below the big ERF logo in white on the door are the details of Beech’s Garage in Stoke. Behind that, beneath the bunk window is a big stick showing N Grocott’s details. Grocott morphed into Grocontinental which did Europe and even Middle East trips. I still have a sneaky feeling that this unit may always have borne its UK registration number and that the French-registered ERF NGC assigned by Beresford Transport to Le Havre may have been a different unit entirely - one can only hope! Robert
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Interesting stuff- did you notice that it shows the NGC 420 and NGC 380, but the difference is in the chassis, not the engine- both vehicles, according to the list, share the NTC335. I thought some NGCs had NTC290s? The list is not 100% reliable, of course- the 8 cylinder Guy is not even mentioned.The 240 Guy was, of course, hush-hush at the time along with the nuclear capability of certain Lincolnshire aerodromes (say no more!).
All probably part of the same deception in which a massive military order for 240 Big J’s was disguised to look like Rolls powered Crusaders and the understating of the 240’s actual power output of 400. 
Aint it marvellous how they just keep on popping up! Robert
Perhaps someone could have a quiet word in the ear of Asam models, who promise a future line of ERF ‘Continentals’ (sic): tell 'em it was Bentley that made ‘Continentals’ and ERF that made ‘Europeans’. God only knows where this ridiculous myth originated! Robert 
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The lower grill seems to have been altered as both corners of the headlight panel have been cut away,wonder why?. If it was damage you’d think it would have been repaired between repaints.
Not a great photo.
The owner of the D8 would drop the blade in the well and drive over it, so it was under the machine./
Great pictures again, Colin! Thank you for posting them. It’s good that these images keep surfacing to keep alive the quest for the NGC story. The new book is looking really good, by the way - something to look forward to. Cheers, Robert
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The lower grill seems to have been altered as both corners of the headlight panel have been cut away,wonder why?. If it was damage you’d think it would have been repaired between repaints.
Bearing in mind that this isn’t an NGC, but a re-cabbed MDC, the cab would have had to undergo modifications for right-hand drive. Robert
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I now have an amazing picture of JLG 35N, the mystery demonstrator that was fully equipped for Middle-East work. I now also know that it did Middle East as a demonstrator. So yet another ‘lorry of Arabia’! It is thought to have had the 335/F9 combination. The picture and more information will appear in the new book, insha’allah. Robert
This leaves some interesting questions hanging in the air:
Was JLG 35N delivered to the Middle East overland?
If so, did it make it?
If it did make it, or was shipped out; where did it go - which countries?
Who drove it?
Are there any pictures of it working as a demo unit in the Gulf states (or wherever)?
Did it return?
Where did it end up?
Intrigued, Robert.
A French one :
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Nice one, Michel! Although this picture did appear earlier in the thread, yours is a better copy so thank you for posting it. This unit, 8264RW95, worked for Cauvas of Bonneuil-en-France. It was an NGC 852 and is thought to have been the only 6x4 NGC supplied by ERF from the factory. Happy New Year! Robert
This forum affected/infected my family! My husband discovered that this 6x4 is an imposter
as he recalls this chassis after an accident. The chassis was of Hye of Burcht, a small suburb
west of Antwerp. Quite some time it was uncertain what would be its future, even Holleman
of Breda was interested but did not proceed due to import-difficulties. It had a new engine
and cab with Cauvas as the buyer. So in fact the chassis was quite old, about 1970 and as
the current owner had not a busy business it survived even some years into 1990.
Out of experience it was common to overhaul and renovate your chassis…economy?
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This forum affected/infected my family! My husband discovered that this 6x4 is an imposter
as he recalls this chassis after an accident. The chassis was of Hye of Burcht, a small suburb
west of Antwerp. Quite some time it was uncertain what would be its future, even Holleman
of Breda was interested but did not proceed due to import-difficulties. It had a new engine
and cab with Cauvas as the buyer. So in fact the chassis was quite old, about 1970 and as
the current owner had not a busy business it survived even some years into 1990.Out of experience it was common to overhaul and renovate your chassis…economy?
Good evening. If this is true, then the unit pictured below is probably the original vehicle. On one hand, this would tidy things up a bit and prove that no (yet known) 6x4s left the ERF factory at all, which makes some sense given that the others were converted later. On the other hand, it doesn’t explain why Wobbe Reitsma described the Cauvas vehicle (twice) as an NGC 852 in his article in REVS mag 104 (European Flyers). If it was an older, re-cabbed vehicle like the Pountains example it would probably have been an MDC 852. I notice it still had ■■■■■■■ 335 engine! I have to say, this story does make a lot of sense. It would also explain why the Cauvas unit mysteriously only had two wipers in the pictures, with the middle mounting redundant. Robert
Well, the more I think about the Cauvas lorry, the more I think our Belgian contributor’s information makes sense. The sad part is that we stand to lose yet another NGC, but c’est la vie.
Meanwhile, we can now put aside three 6x4 ‘false friends’ / ‘imposters’ - call them what you like:
Pountain’s MDC 852,
Loste’s Pacific;
and Cauvas’s machine.
That leaves us with only two NGC 6x4 conversions:
Eyckmans 7DF44 / Corbishley KCH 95N;
and Shamara’s Q691 NTR which was very likely converted from their 4x2 unit PDF 444R.
Happy New Year! Robert