UK 18, UAE 5, KSA 13, F 13, CH 2, B 11, NL 12 = 74
With Wagner’s (B) we make 75 so another 16 to chase!
Wagner’s? Have I missed something here?
According to Alexander (being involved for MACK) Wagner from Jumet/Gosselies (preferred forwarder
for the local Caterpillar-factory) also had a NGC…unfortunately less info nor pictures (tiptop did post
some on their MB and MAN) available. The CDB-files state nothing on Wagner …but…some day?
@ Both your last posts:
Yes, we must keep searching! Work on the book(s) might cause to me hold back with some pictures and stories, but be confident that I am not withholding any information about the work we all do together on this thread. So if I discover any new info about another NGC, or indeed any significant changes to existing units, this thread will be the first to hear about it - as indeed I have been doing all along.
As for Alexander’s lead, it is just possible that one of the units we already know about passed briefly through the hands of one of the operators mentioned - or maybe ran in a customer’s livery, as we have already seen with some Dutch examples.
From the 16 missing…I expect to ‘gain’ 2-3 in Belgium (Wagner, 1-2 in Gemappe, according to Jean Thibaut)
further perhaps 1-2 in Switzerland, with the remainder in France? I expect you covered UK by the numerous
contacts with owners and drivers. Let’s await what will pop-up one/some day.
Good old GEH 513N again. A happy reminder that more than one ERF NGC undertook both Middle-East duties and heavy haulage duties, if not at the same time in this case. Robert
I notice that Lorries of Arabia gets a nice mention in the new issue (no. 160) of REVS magazine (the ERF preservation mag). I hope to get a piece in there soon with some, as yet, unseen NGC pics in advance of Lorries of Arabia 2 (due out 06/04/16) Robert
SO, not including the two non-NGCs with 7MW cabs (Pountains and Loste):
ENGINES
Total number known to have NTC 335 engine = 36
Total number known to have NTC 290 (including 2 E290s) = 11
Total number uncertain of what engine = 31
TOTAL = 78
GEARBOXES
Total number known to have 9-speed (including those 3 that were later converted to 13-speed) = 25
Total number known to have 13-speed (not including those that were later converted from 9-speed,
but including the NTC 335 unit with no proof of retro-fit conversion) = 10
Total number of units with unknown gearbox = 43
Lorries of Arabia Part 2 has been proof-read and is now being typeset. It is way ahead of schedule so we’re hoping to bring the release date forward. It’s looking good! Robert
robert1952:
Just spotted another one with tread-plate foot-holds on the tow-pack: Trans Arabia 109, supplied brand new to them (see below). Robert
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Loaded with BP. Oil drums
See the paintwork under the headlights - sandblasted whilst running coast to coast in a sandstorm
A regular occurrence - sometimes stripping front bumper sand body work up to about 3feet
Ken b
Thanks Ken! I’ve been wondering about those discolourations for some time. Mind you, I should have guessed really, having driven lorries into sandstorms myself! Cheers, Robert
Little details like that, Ken, are a gift for providing material for photo captions!
Talking of which, who would like to see even more stuff on ERF NGCs?
And so you shall! In addition to an article I have written for next February’s REVS magazine, containing several previously unseen photos; I have nearly finished a 2nd article to appear in REVS mag in spring - all solid NGC stuff. Something to look forward to, I hope! Robert
Had a chat with Jerry Cooke on the phone this afternoon and three NGCs came up in conversation.
The first is a picture in the current issue of REVS (which I haven’t seen yet) showing JDF 132N as a demonstrator with Grow Continental, complete with their stickers on the side of the cab and in factory ‘rocket’ red and white. This raises the interesting observation that when Beresford eventually acquired this vehicle and put it to work in Le Havre on French plates with a French driver, they must have retained its UK identity because when it returned to its English operating base it reverted to JDF 132N!
The second is the wrecker on Q-plates. Jerry pointed out that as this vehicle has no roof vent, it is possible that it might have been converted from the Calor Transport unit. I wonder then, if that curious object on the right-hand side of the radiator might have been the mounting bracket for the haz-plate.
The third is the Shamara 6x4 unit. Shamara had the 4x2 unit, PDF 444R from VIJORE, which it ran on containers. If you look at the pictures of it taken by Marcus Lester and Peter Davies, you can see that Shamara fitted a home-made bumper angled that the ends, and placed the front indicators on unorthodox mountings. Well, these features appear on the 6x4 conversion, so it’s very likely that this is one and the same vehicle. Its change of registration plates to Q691 NTR may reflect a struggle with type-approval regs (loop-hole). The rear bogie shows two hub-reduction axles and was probably chopped off an 8-wheeler.
The above post leads me to reappraise any remaining ‘doubles’ we might have in the list of NGCs to date. Current suspects are:
PDF 444R / Q691 NTR (Shamara / Shamara)
Q824 RGC / HMO 220N (the wrecker / Calor)
84-56-JB / TA 126 (Schaap / Trans Arabia)
SJ Jones ERF demo / TA 107
87-69-RB / mystery De Geus (the Willemstein in De Geus livery / mystery one as yet unsubstantiated)
If all these pairs are shown to be one and the same vehicle, we are left with still only 73 out of 91 identified. Interesting thought! Robert
hiya robert…not a very good photo. i don’t think this one is on the site unless its the wrecker lorry
robert ive asked the owner of the photo if he’ll post it onto here.
john
3300John:
hiya robert…not a very good photo. i don’t think this one is on the site unless its the wrecker lorry
robert ive asked the owner of the photo if he’ll post it onto here.
john
Cheers John! Actually, a clearer version of the photo is already on this thread and in my book. It’s a French registered draw-bar operated by Gentilucci Freres of Villeneuvee La Garenne parked up in Torino. The picture was taken by Pasquale Caccavale. Thanks for keeping your eyes peeled! Robert
robert1952:
The first is a picture in the current issue of REVS (which I haven’t seen yet) showing JDF 132N as a demonstrator with Grow Continental, complete with their stickers on the side of the cab and in factory ‘rocket’ red and white. This raises the interesting observation that when Beresford eventually acquired this vehicle and put it to work in Le Havre on French plates with a French driver, they must have retained its UK identity because when it returned to its English operating base it reverted to JDF 132N!
Unless, of course, JDF and the French-reg unit were actually two different units… R
I know Pountain’s UGE 852R was not an NGC (it was a right-hand drive MDC 852 with a retro-fitted 7MW cab) but a pal of mine spotted these pics of it on FB and I thought they were too good not to share! Robert
robert1952:
The first is a picture in the current issue of REVS (which I haven’t seen yet) showing JDF 132N as a demonstrator with Grow Continental, complete with their stickers on the side of the cab and in factory ‘rocket’ red and white. This raises the interesting observation that when Beresford eventually acquired this vehicle and put it to work in Le Havre on French plates with a French driver, they must have retained its UK identity because when it returned to its English operating base it reverted to JDF 132N!
Unless, of course, JDF and the French-reg unit were actually two different units… R
If anyone is contact with John Heath of REVS, who is a bit of an expert on Beresford Transport and actually drove this vehicle for a week to fill in for the Frenchman; perhaps they could ask him if it is possible that there were actually two units here. Cheers, Robert
Robert
