John, your mention of tiles down to the Gulf tallies with John Simmon’s mention of tiles down there. Robert
robert1952:
John, your mention of tiles down to the Gulf tallies with John Simmon’s mention of tiles down there. Robert
See parallel Beresford thread for more confirmation that Beresford did Middle East. Robert
Now then: I’ve got the correct information about those Trans Arabia ERF NGCs on trailers, as posted earlier. Jerry Cooke has been in touch with me and I can report as follows.
This picture shows B-series TA 117 pulling a platform skelly (PSK) trailer with NGC TA 139 on the front and NGC TA 110 on the rear. Both had been damaged and were being returned to S Jones for serious repair. TA 110 had been taking a load of reinforcing mesh to a building site somewhere up Ta’if mountain, and had turned over.
These two were loaded on an old tilt converted into a PSK and hauled by an ERF LV-cabbed unit, either TA 105 or 106. The NGCs were being delivered to Trans Arabia.
Robert
I mentioned earlier that an ERF demo unit had been supplied to S Jones for a display, and had been written off in a serious accident. I am informed that one of the six brand-new NTC 290 / Fuller 13 units supplied to Trans Arabia showed substantial chassis damage at the front end. This was TA 107. So it is quite possible that this is the mystery unit that was ‘written off’. Obviously, it couldn’t be used in UK, but Saudi wasn’t subject to such laws. This is not conclusive evidence! Robert
This is a bit off topic but I notice throughout this thread that there is reference to records being available for ERF. I’ve been investigating the history of my family’s company and have found details of a number of vehicles from the 50s-70s. I’d like to obtain copies of the build sheets if possible, could someone tell me how to go about this?
ljr:
This is a bit off topic but I notice throughout this thread that there is reference to records being available for ERF. I’ve been investigating the history of my family’s company and have found details of a number of vehicles from the 50s-70s. I’d like to obtain copies of the build sheets if possible, could someone tell me how to go about this?
Much ERF evidence appears to have been consigned to the bin. However, much was copied by hand by dedicated archivists! You need to be much more specific in your request, methinks. There are probably 20 or 30 ERF threads on this forum that are very specifically concerned with one model or another; or even one version of a model. If you can state your exact requirements, I may be able to direct you to the precise thread that MAY yield answers to your questions. Fire away, old mate! And good luck. Robert
Hi Robert,
Thanks, here is an extract from the register I’ve put together, the models are educated guesses based on a lot of browsing the internet.
Registration Manufacturer Model Type Date of Reg. Chassis No. Notes
ERF Vee Cab same as OKO 136 and PKT 711
OKO 136 ERF Vee Cab 01/03/1952 6011
PKT 711 ERF Vee Cab C.I.5?.4 End Tipper 4 Wheel Tipper 26/03/1953 6392
UKR 621 ERF LK44? 01/05/1955 LK7240
WKK 229 ERF KV 04/11/1955 7448
XKO 199 ERF KV 25/06/1956 7727
YKJ 335 ERF KV LKG44 4 Wheel 02/10/1956 7843
YKE 304 ERF KV 54GET 4 Wheel Tipper 06/10/1956 7907 Was displayed at the 1956 commercial motor show
197 VPB ERF KV 54G? 4 Wheel
VKM 15S ERF B Series 8 Wheel Tipper 01/10/1977 34639
ERF B Series May be VKM 8S or VKM 9S
ERF LV c.1972-1973 probably replaced 197 VPB
ljr:
Hi Robert,Thanks, here is an extract from the register I’ve put together, the models are educated guesses based on a lot of browsing the internet.
Registration Manufacturer Model Type Date of Reg. Chassis No. Notes
ERF Vee Cab same as OKO 136 and PKT 711
OKO 136 ERF Vee Cab 01/03/1952 6011
PKT 711 ERF Vee Cab C.I.5?.4 End Tipper 4 Wheel Tipper 26/03/1953 6392
UKR 621 ERF LK44? 01/05/1955 LK7240
WKK 229 ERF KV 04/11/1955 7448
XKO 199 ERF KV 25/06/1956 7727
YKJ 335 ERF KV LKG44 4 Wheel 02/10/1956 7843
YKE 304 ERF KV 54GET 4 Wheel Tipper 06/10/1956 7907 Was displayed at the 1956 commercial motor show
197 VPB ERF KV 54G? 4 Wheel
VKM 15S ERF B Series 8 Wheel Tipper 01/10/1977 34639
ERF B Series May be VKM 8S or VKM 9S
ERF LV c.1972-1973 probably replaced 197 VPB
OK. I can’t think a thread that serves these old 'uns. Let’s just hope someone who knows more about them is reading this thread. Robert
LJR: I strongly recommend to buy the book from Peter Davies “ERF the world’s best oil engined lorry”
which covers the vehicles out of your fleet in a thorough way. The best ERF-bible there is! Further
on ebay you’ll find documentation (manuals and brochures) on your ERF-types.
Actually what we all ‘know’ just a confirmation that the REVS-register matches with our NG-register
for Holland. For the real enthusiast herewith the 12 chassis-numbers but unfortunately we can
not match the relevant chassis or owner(s). All are imported/distributed by Best Truck Import B.V…
Note: excluding the rigid (for Ets. Thibaut - Strée) imported/exported between Belgium and Holland
#27132,
#27415,
#27918,
#28095,
#28150,
#28230,
#28508,
#28518,
#28734,
#28779,
#28805,
#28838.
We have only 7 out of 91 chassis numbers for the NGCs:
31927 - last Falcon Freight delivered (Saudi)
24684 - JJ393 drawbar of Thibaut (Belgium)
27979 - De Meulemeester (Belgium)
22993 - AFU615 of Van Steenbergen (Belgium)
27271 - 7DF44 of Eyckmans (Belgium)
29069 - HNV 59N of ■■■■■■■ (UK)
28658 - GEH 513N (UK)
Of course I deliberately omitted No. 33315 for UGE 852R because it wasn’t an NGC. Robert
Just for the records…Calor’s NGC was #29516…to mention one
ERF-Continental:
Just for the records…Calor’s NGC was #29516…to mention one
That’s interesting! Where did this information come from?
Also, you say ‘to mention one’ so does that mean there are others? The more chassis numbers we have, the better we can work out which lorries morphed into others (nationality changes, livery changes, operator changes, registration number changes etc).
Robert
Robert, I had no direct presence of the REVS-register nor ours but I expect more chassi-info via Alexander
and ‘only’ the Calor popped up in my mind (and written on a sheet) but perhaps more is to be extracted
from the REVS-register…it appears that some updates are made now and then.
By the way…I count 74 known out of 91…(gross 20 chassis-numbers known) but on the 2nd Damco GG
and Wagner-Gosselies (B) hence 12 for NL and 12 for B…perhaps ERF-(PETERBOROUGH) and assistent
come up with more the next-coming months?
Quick and brief:
UK 18, UAE 5, KSA 13, F 13, CH 2, B 11, NL 12 = 74
With Wagner’s (B) we make 75 so another 16 to chase!
ERF-Continental:
Robert, I had no direct presence of the REVS-register nor ours but I expect more chassi-info via Alexander
and ‘only’ the Calor popped up in my mind (and written on a sheet) but perhaps more is to be extracted
from the REVS-register…it appears that some updates are made now and then.By the way…I count 74 known out of 91…(gross 20 chassis-numbers known) but on the 2nd Damco GG
and Wagner-Gosselies (B) hence 12 for NL and 12 for B…perhaps ERF-(PETERBOROUGH) and assistent
come up with more the next-coming months?
They need chassis numbers from us, to help match things up - not the other way round.
You appear to have made a mistake with the Calor number you have given. According to the REVS chassis sheet, chassis 29516 was assigned to HMO 224N, not HMO 220N (the Calor Transport vehicle).
We have 7 chassis numbers to date, so where does your number 20 come from. I don’t understand.
Robert
ERF-Continental:
Quick and brief:UK 18, UAE 5, KSA 13, F 13, CH 2, B 11, NL 12 = 74
With Wagner’s (B) we make 75 so another 16 to chase!
Wagner’s? Have I missed something here?
Oeps…well when you select BEST TRUCK IMPORT in the excel you have 12 additional, however
as said with no relation to the relevant chassis and/or owner(s)
My question some days ago on the "other’ Calor’s was to verify if more NGCs are/were known.
I hope more chassis-numbers become available…
robert1952:
ERF-Continental:
Quick and brief:UK 18, UAE 5, KSA 13, F 13, CH 2, B 11, NL 12 = 74
With Wagner’s (B) we make 75 so another 16 to chase!
Wagner’s? Have I missed something here?
According to Alexander (being involved for MACK) Wagner from Jumet/Gosselies (preferred forwarder
for the local Caterpillar-factory) also had a NGC…unfortunately less info nor pictures (tiptop did post
some on their MB and MAN) available. The CDB-files state nothing on Wagner …but…some day?
Note: Jan De Rooy (orange) bought Wagner but it appeared an empty box with Caterpillar out of contract.
Some years they were active in glass-transport…
Nowadays Jan De Rooy (orange) handles transport of DAF-chassis and Gerard De Rooy (blue)
transport of DAF-parts as well as cabs and axles from Westerlo-Geel
