That is correct. There appear to be no more than those five NGCs with tread-plated footholds on the tow-pack. As two of them included the first two NGCs off the production line, I imagine that they were offered as an optional extra thereafter. Also, once the grab-handles were introduced, buyers would have been less inclined to pay extra for the foot plates. Robert
Lorries of Arabia 2 should be out on the 6th April 2016. Robert
robert1952:
That is correct. There appear to be no more than those five NGCs with tread-plated footholds on the tow-pack. As two of them included the first two NGCs off the production line, I imagine that they were offered as an optional extra thereafter. Also, once the grab-handles were introduced, buyers would have been less inclined to pay extra for the foot plates. Robert
A minor detail: those first two NGC featured chequer-plate tread-plated foot holds set into the tow-pack above the bumper. Later models had grab-handles on the top of the front grille to facilitate easy windscreen cleaning. However, in the mid-'70s, when health & safety regulations were not yet the big issues they are today, the importance of foot holds would have paled into insignificance on a lorry like the ERF NGC into whose cab you had to climb by means of the deadly step-ring on the wheel hub - useless in wet weather - and a few grab handles. I’ll bet more than a few NGC drivers suffered from barked shins! Robert
robert1952:
5) We have a new item to add to the register because an ERF NGC demonstration unit was sent to S Jones for an exhibition of equipment, and it was written off in an accident on the wayRobert
If anyone can fill in info here, any identification marks or registration plates would be useful. I’m already wondering if the Middle-East spec demonstrator, registered JLG 35N might have been the unit in question, as it seems to have disappeared off the map. Robert
robert1952:
Now then, to stray a little from the topic, here’s a potentially exciting possibility. Here is the only picture I know of that shows GEH 513N in its original Beresford livery. It is featured in Lorries of Arabia. This is when Albert Dale ran it as a Beresford subbie on Swiss work. However, we now know from a source I posted on this thread a little while back, that he eventually did Middle-East work with it running tiles down and carpets back to Glasgow. A closer look at this picture reveals that it has been fitted with those breather pipes up the back of the cab (which it kept, by the way, when it went to John Simmons). Only six Middle-East spec NGCs appear to have been fitted with them. These were retro-fitted by their operators. Albert Dale probably had his fitted when he embarked upon Middle-East work, so there is a very high chance that this picture (possibly taken on the seafront at Dover) shows GEH 313N on one of its Middle-East runs. Can anyone shed more light on this? John3300 perhaps? Robert0
An appeal to John3300 here: can you shed any light on Albert Dale’s Middle-East exploits? Robert
I wonder where this one ended up. It looks like a very early one because it has no external filler-cap flap on the grille (just like the demo used for the early brochures and Van Steenbergen’s first NGC). It has no roof marker lights (just like the demo in the brochures). It also has chequer-plate foot-holds in the tow-pack (just like the one that went to Van Steenbergen). It also has the Lucas jelly-mould indicators (just like the one that went to Van Steenbergen). I think this could be that first Van Steenbergen unit, still in its factory colours, with the marker lights not yet fitted. What do you reckon? Robert
I think you are right and it was the Van Steenbergen, minor difference are the west-coast-mirrors and
brackets but that could have been a change effected by CDB, further quite rare in the Van Steenbergen’ fleet.
robert1952:
0I wonder where this one ended up. It looks like a very early one because it has no external filler-cap flap on the grille (just like the demo used for the early brochures and Van Steenbergen’s first NGC). It has no roof marker lights (just like the demo in the brochures). It also has chequer-plate foot-holds in the tow-pack (just like the one that went to Van Steenbergen). It also has the Lucas jelly-mould indicators (just like the one that went to Van Steenbergen). I think this could be that first Van Steenbergen unit, still in its factory colours, with the marker lights not yet fitted. What do you reckon? Robert
Hiya…that Eurpoean is a show motor… ERF never turned them out any other than the colour of the chassis requested and the motorpanels cab
colour. that one must have been for the Brussels show…it has side lights above the cab the orange ones are not a uk fitment…
all good stuff…see ya
John
robert1952:
robert1952:
Now then, to stray a little from the topic, here’s a potentially exciting possibility. Here is the only picture I know of that shows GEH 513N in its original Beresford livery. It is featured in Lorries of Arabia. This is when Albert Dale ran it as a Beresford subbie on Swiss work. However, we now know from a source I posted on this thread a little while back, that he eventually did Middle-East work with it running tiles down and carpets back to Glasgow. A closer look at this picture reveals that it has been fitted with those breather pipes up the back of the cab (which it kept, by the way, when it went to John Simmons). Only six Middle-East spec NGCs appear to have been fitted with them. These were retro-fitted by their operators. Albert Dale probably had his fitted when he embarked upon Middle-East work, so there is a very high chance that this picture (possibly taken on the seafront at Dover) shows GEH 313N on one of its Middle-East runs. Can anyone shed more light on this? John3300 perhaps? Robert0
An appeal to John3300 here: can you shed any light on Albert Dale’s Middle-East exploits? Robert
Hiya…i don’t know the answer to this one…when Albert had GEH he was no spring chicken…if i was guessing id say GEH went to the M/E After Albert sold her and before John Simmonds got the lorry…Albert had a good regular Swiss job on Beresfords i can,t see him giving that up for a
M/E job…maybe some one borrowed it off Beeches for one trip…i may be wrong…Maybe Beresfords just used it for a trip…
John
3300John:
robert1952:
robert1952:
Now then, to stray a little from the topic, here’s a potentially exciting possibility. Here is the only picture I know of that shows GEH 513N in its original Beresford livery. It is featured in Lorries of Arabia. This is when Albert Dale ran it as a Beresford subbie on Swiss work. However, we now know from a source I posted on this thread a little while back, that he eventually did Middle-East work with it running tiles down and carpets back to Glasgow. A closer look at this picture reveals that it has been fitted with those breather pipes up the back of the cab (which it kept, by the way, when it went to John Simmons). Only six Middle-East spec NGCs appear to have been fitted with them. These were retro-fitted by their operators. Albert Dale probably had his fitted when he embarked upon Middle-East work, so there is a very high chance that this picture (possibly taken on the seafront at Dover) shows GEH 313N on one of its Middle-East runs. Can anyone shed more light on this? John3300 perhaps? Robert0
An appeal to John3300 here: can you shed any light on Albert Dale’s Middle-East exploits? Robert
Hiya…i don’t know the answer to this one…when Albert had GEH he was no spring chicken…if i was guessing id say GEH went to the M/E After Albert sold her and before John Simmonds got the lorry…Albert had a good regular Swiss job on Beresfords i can,t see him giving that up for a
M/E job…maybe some one borrowed it off Beeches for one trip…i may be wrong…Maybe Beresfords just used it for a trip…
John
Thanks for your help, John! Beresford didn’t do M/E so my guess is that Albert either dabbled for a little while or perhaps put another driver in it. I’m sure we’ll find out eventually! Cheers, Robert
robert1952:
3300John:
robert1952:
robert1952:
Now then, to stray a little from the topic, here’s a potentially exciting possibility. Here is the only picture I know of that shows GEH 513N in its original Beresford livery. It is featured in Lorries of Arabia. This is when Albert Dale ran it as a Beresford subbie on Swiss work. However, we now know from a source I posted on this thread a little while back, that he eventually did Middle-East work with it running tiles down and carpets back to Glasgow. A closer look at this picture reveals that it has been fitted with those breather pipes up the back of the cab (which it kept, by the way, when it went to John Simmons). Only six Middle-East spec NGCs appear to have been fitted with them. These were retro-fitted by their operators. Albert Dale probably had his fitted when he embarked upon Middle-East work, so there is a very high chance that this picture (possibly taken on the seafront at Dover) shows GEH 313N on one of its Middle-East runs. Can anyone shed more light on this? John3300 perhaps? Robert0
An appeal to John3300 here: can you shed any light on Albert Dale’s Middle-East exploits? Robert
Hiya…i don’t know the answer to this one…when Albert had GEH he was no spring chicken…if i was guessing id say GEH went to the M/E After Albert sold her and before John Simmonds got the lorry…Albert had a good regular Swiss job on Beresfords i can,t see him giving that up for a
M/E job…maybe some one borrowed it off Beeches for one trip…i may be wrong…Maybe Beresfords just used it for a trip…
JohnThanks for your help, John! Beresford didn’t do M/E so my guess is that Albert either dabbled for a little while or perhaps put another driver in it. I’m sure we’ll find out eventually! Cheers, Robert
Hiya …Robert Beresfords did do middle east… well Doha with tiles in a S39 foden quite early on in the day cab days…Flying Foden is your man…i think he went onto Thour after still doing M/E in a F89…its on the Stoke on Trent site
3300John:
Hiya…i don’t know the answer to this one…when Albert had GEH he was no spring chicken…if i was guessing id say GEH went to the M/E After Albert sold her and before John Simmonds got the lorry…Albert had a good regular Swiss job on Beresfords i can,t see him giving that up for a
M/E job…maybe some one borrowed it off Beeches for one trip…i may be wrong…Maybe Beresfords just used it for a trip…
John
Thanks for your help, John! Beresford didn’t do M/E so my guess is that Albert either dabbled for a little while or perhaps put another driver in it. I’m sure we’ll find out eventually! Cheers, Robert
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Hiya …Robert Beresfords did do middle east… well Doha with tiles in a S39 foden quite early on in the day cab days…Flying Foden is your man…i think he went onto Thour after still doing M/E in a F89…its on the Stoke on Trent site
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That’s interesting. DEANB recently asked on another thread (can’t remember which) if Beresfords ever did M/E and Truckerash answered with a definite ‘no’. Perhaps they sent their subbies down there… Robert
robert1952:
That’s interesting. DEANB recently asked on another thread (can’t remember which) if Beresfords ever did M/E and Truckerash answered with a definite ‘no’. Perhaps they sent their subbies down there… Robert
I’d previously asked DEANB if he possibly had a Middle East LDD article in his collection.Which from vague memory,1980 at the latest probably earlier,involved two vehicles,one running to the usual Gulf Sates and one which went on to Pakistan.One of which ‘might’ possibly have been running for Beresford and the other probably Whittle.Sadly it didn’t seem to be among the collection.I do remember clearly though that the article ran across at least two or maybe even three issues of the magazine.
Another pic from Mick Jones, kindly posted by ‘Ronhawk’ on the TA thread. This matches other pictures of, I think, two ex-Dutch units that were delivered together. These are mentioned a page or two back. Robert
This one probably tallies. Robert
EDIT: just seen the white mudguards, so it doesn’t tally at all! 
Robert
TA #126 and TA #139
ERF-Continental:
TA #126 and TA #139 left the country with windmills in 1977, the Schaap/König in 1979 as no
sun-visor is visble?
I think it’s TA 124. Robert
Could be but then it was ‘hidden’ some two years…1979
Perhaps Jerry, John, Ron and Ken might release the home-registers?
Woops! It was TA 124 & 126 that arrived together. Back in May I spoke to Vince Cooke, who picked them both up from Harwich docks to take to S Jones for preparation. The full story will appear in book 2. Therefore, the one in the picture behind TA 139 could be anything. Robert
robert1952:
3300John:
Hiya…i don’t know the answer to this one…when Albert had GEH he was no spring chicken…if i was guessing id say GEH went to the M/E After Albert sold her and before John Simmonds got the lorry…Albert had a good regular Swiss job on Beresfords i can,t see him giving that up for a
M/E job…maybe some one borrowed it off Beeches for one trip…i may be wrong…Maybe Beresfords just used it for a trip…
JohnThanks for your help, John! Beresford didn’t do M/E so my guess is that Albert either dabbled for a little while or perhaps put another driver in it. I’m sure we’ll find out eventually! Cheers, Robert
Hiya …Robert Beresfords did do middle east… well Doha with tiles in a S39 foden quite early on in the day cab days…Flying Foden is your man…i think he went onto Thour after still doing M/E in a F89…its on the Stoke on Trent site
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That’s interesting. DEANB recently asked on another thread (can’t remember which) if Beresfords ever did M/E and Truckerash answered with a definite ‘no’. Perhaps they sent their subbies down there… Robert
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This lorry had been serviced by Beech’s Garage between M/E trips. It seem pretty clear from John Simmon’s piece that it was Beech’s Garage that informed him of the Middle-East history of GEH 513N. What makes this claim seem more authentic to me, is that if you were selling a 2nd-hand wagon you’d be disinclined to reveal that it had been bashing down the TIR routes to the M/E. Beech’s salesman was clearly confident enough in the condition of this ERF to spill the beans. John also mentions that he had been dealing with Beech’s since 1961 so he clearly had a good relationship with them. Then there the breather pipes to be explained… Robert