David H:
The above also applies to people with private pension schemes who have shares invested in companies that employ a large number of low paid immigrant/domestic labour.
The above also applies to the general public who have benefitted from cheaper prices for everything from sandwiches to televisions and beyond. 
Blame Muslims? So theyâre one of the major causes of the break up of traditional British values in the UK today? I take it then that Muslims encouraged the Chav lifestyle? And orchestrated the greed of the property market? Go on Booze runs and feed there obese teenage kids with chocolate and crisps? Let me remind myself, was it really a voted in parliament of Muslims who built this countryâs class system or was it the above?
With all of these âLittle Britainâ threads, would it not be wise to have a compulsory poll at the top?
Have you ever lived & worked abroad and been helped and welcomed by the locals?
Yes -
No -
Do not understand the question -
A poll may be hard to define. Iâve worked abroad while being based in UK. Iâve worked abroad, rented a place there but still been resident in the UK. Iâve also lived for two years in one country but still held UK ordinary residence. In all cases I met good and bad local people.
On the other hand Iâve had few positive experiences with British drivers maybe because there are so few places to meet up in the UK. The drivers I bump into tend not to have much to say about anything-except, it would appear, when on this forum where they become either sages or furiously gnore bones.
David H:
Blame Muslims? So theyâre one of the major causes of the break up of traditional British values in the UK today? I take it then that Muslims encouraged the Chav lifestyle? And orchestrated the greed of the property market? Go on Booze runs and feed there obese teenage kids with chocolate and crisps? Let me remind myself, was it really a voted in parliament of Muslims who built this countryâs class system or was it the above?
Ive not asked the Pakistani owners of our local shop whether they are Moslem or not but as we used to rent a flat off them they have helped feed the greed of the property market, they used to get their booze from Calais and they sell chocolate and crisps to the local kids theyâve done quite well out of itâŚ
As for the elections its only because they got caught cheating at election time that they dont have more elected politicians, so sit back open YOUR eyes and you enjoy the ride as ive already done so 
Wha laa! In one paragraph the corner shop has provided you with everything you couldnât provide for yourself.
Ragnarok:
The working man will naturally lay the blame at the door of the dark fellows or the folks from eastern Europe, as he can see them taking his job and lowering his wages. However, the real culprits that have engineered his poorer standard of living are the faceless, greedy and smug corporate elite, rubbing their hands together in the background.
my opinion too.
it is, as you say, the corporate elite & the politicians who are to blame. but how do we actually do something about it?
its too easy to be hostile to migrant workers but that will accomplish nothing, after all they do not decide goverment policy.
iâd vote bnp but theyâre too right wing, are there any other alternatives who arent racist?
I personally think that immigration has been appallingly badly handled for over 50 years now but itâs the same old story every time⌠Labour governments create unsubstainable credit-based booms which require extra labour on the way up without planning for what will happen when things turn down.
So yes, immigration policy has been, and still is wrong. But this is the fault of white folks at Westminster earning ÂŁ72,000 a year, not some brown bloke stood shivering in a field at six in the morning in December, cutting cauliflowers for ÂŁ5.73 an hour.
christianh:
Ragnarok:
The working man will naturally lay the blame at the door of the dark fellows or the folks from eastern Europe, as he can see them taking his job and lowering his wages. However, the real culprits that have engineered his poorer standard of living are the faceless, greedy and smug corporate elite, rubbing their hands together in the background.my opinion too.
it is, as you say, the corporate elite & the politicians who are to blame. but how do we actually do something about it?
its too easy to be hostile to migrant workers but that will accomplish nothing, after all they do not decide goverment policy.
iâd vote bnp but theyâre too right wing, are there any other alternatives who arent racist?
Once people begin to look upwards for the culprits of their misery, rather than downwards at those simply taking advantage of an open door provided by the government, they may begin to understand and get angry at being manipulated by the elite.
A growing vote for the BNP and the election to parliament of a few of their candidates, would serve to concentrate the minds of our simpering politicians wonderfully. The press already know this and are very good at running disinformation campaigns about the party, in order to keep them from progressing. It is surprising how many people actually believe what they read in The Sun or the News of the World.
a protest vote so to speak?
well considering the lack of alternatives (as far as i know) iâll be voting bnp at the next elections.
btw i dont read the sun or the news of the world, i dont read any papers nowadays. the internet is far more diverse and interesting than any newspaper.
Anyone who votes BNP was defeated years ago. They attract Goldfish who crave for Red Robbo, coal mines and Green Shield stamps.
David H:
Anyone who votes BNP was defeated years ago. They attract Goldfish who crave for Red Robbo, coal mines and Green Shield stamps.
Real change will not come unless the politicians of the main parties are given an electoral jolt. They are far too used to trotting out the same old drivel and bribing the unthinking masses with pre-election tax cuts. They will not make any real structural changes that threaten their comfy jobs and cosy pensions, they want the status quo.
They are also beholden to their backers, those wealthy individuals and corporations who pay the piper and call the tune. It is amazing how much foreign money enters politics via UK registered âletter boxâ front companies.
Real change will only occur in this country when people say âenough is enoughâ and do something positive about it. That has always been the way, from the Peasant Revolt of the 14th century, through the Tolpuddle Martyrs and onwards. The reactionary establishment will not make changes, the people have to force it and today they can force it via the ballot box.
Whilst I agree the political system needs a shake up I doubt the BNP are the answer. Nick Griffin comes from the same background as most of those with power. Private education, then Cambridge University and then a life in politics. And he and most of the BNP top brass have had strong links with facist organisations.
These people have the same â â â â for absolute power as the rest of them, to do this they need to create a Mob mentality amoungst the dissaffected.
This is achieved by pretending there are simple solutions to thier problems, and there is a scapegoat for your problems and tell people that is we get rid of them then problem solved.
Example:
You tell the long term unemployed the reason they havenât got jobs is because of the immigrants, and of course these people now have an easy excuse, but of course the real reason for them not having a job is that they wonât get off thier backside and take the jobs. When they are made to take a job they make sure they get fired and go back to the lifestyle they are used to whilst blaming immigrants for the reason they canât find work.
you cant blame the drivers its the companies that are taking them on because they will work for less money than we will.
A friend of mine started a job earning ÂŁ550 a week.
He was put off after 2 weeks when asked why he was told that a polish driver had started and was prepared to do the job for ÂŁ350 a week,and there wasânt enough work for both of them
As he hadânt been there that long he didnt have a leg to stand on.
Itâs like everything if you have no work youâll probably move about if you know its gonna put bread in your famlies mouth.
I know i would
David H:
Anyone who votes BNP was defeated years ago. They attract Goldfish who crave for Red Robbo, coal mines and Green Shield stamps.
Sorry David but I do not understand the link between the BNP and Red Robbo as they are at the opposite ends of the political spectrum even a Goldfish should be able to spot the difference.
muckles:
Whilst I agree the political system needs a shake up I doubt the BNP are the answer. Nick Griffin comes from the same background as most of those with power. Private education, then Cambridge University and then a life in politics. And he and most of the BNP top brass have had strong links with facist organisations.These people have the same â â â â for absolute power as the rest of them, to do this they need to create a Mob mentality amoungst the dissaffected.
This is achieved by pretending there are simple solutions to thier problems, and there is a scapegoat for your problems and tell people that is we get rid of them then problem solved.Example:
You tell the long term unemployed the reason they havenât got jobs is because of the immigrants, and of course these people now have an easy excuse, but of course the real reason for them not having a job is that they wonât get off thier backside and take the jobs. When they are made to take a job they make sure they get fired and go back to the lifestyle they are used to whilst blaming immigrants for the reason they canât find work.
Agree with you there Muckles the whole system in this country needs a shake up as it is not in the slightest bit reflective of the views of the people. The BNP are not the answer as they dont appear to have any policies on anything other than their well known views on immigration and so would not make a viable government.
Do you not think that as the economy is in tatters and your example would be easily promoted by the press that it might be a good time for the country to take stock of the whole situation and look for solutions that help sort out some of the issues that have been raised in this thread and the concerns of the public as a whole.
christianh:
i dug a little further into this and found out âasylum seekerâsâ would get a property before me, as would any nationality with kids even if they left there country having had a home in that country.
Just to put things straight: asylum seeker will get the flat before me as well. And if you have property in Poland you will get harder to get a council flat here than someone who donât (itâs not matter if Polish or British).
Problem is that itâs almost impossible to check for British councils so many Polish people just lie about that (and, to give the fair view, many donât speak english enaugh to understand what are they asked about).
I think that itâs very bad that such people are able to gain a property before someone who is really in need. There should be possibility to check such things and if you donât speak english and want to live in Britain: that should be your problem, not the councils.
orys:
(and, to give the fair view, many donât speak english enaugh to understand what are they asked about).
aww hell no, donât they really?
orys:
christianh:
i dug a little further into this and found out âasylum seekerâsâ would get a property before me, as would any nationality with kids even if they left there country having had a home in that country.Just to put things straight: asylum seeker will get the flat before me as well. And if you have property in Poland you will get harder to get a council flat here than someone who donât (itâs not matter if Polish or British).
Problem is that itâs almost impossible to check for British councils so many Polish people just lie about that (and, to give the fair view, many donât speak english enaugh to understand what are they asked about).
I think that itâs very bad that such people are able to gain a property before someone who is really in need. There should be possibility to check such things and if you donât speak english and want to live in Britain: that should be your problem, not the councils.
The problem here is one of priorities, and the liberal-left mafia who control many town halls are so politically correct, that they have lost all notion of fairness and common sense.
Council waiting list requirements have been skewed by having to fulfill criteria based on need alone, which means that a large family will be housed first etc. Which is why that nice Somali family straight off the boat from Mogadishu have moved in next door to you, when people you know have been on the waiting list for five years or more.
It is deplorable that this happens. Priority should always be given to local, British born people first, regardless of other considerations. Then should come British born people, the EU nationals and finally, those from elsewhere.
My opinion is that people who come here to work should not expect to get, nor should they get, social housing. Why there are so many people here from outside the EU is another question entirely, especially those who are living off the welfare system and who donât work. It is a fact that 80% of Somaliâs in the UK are living on welfare, which comes from the taxes we all pay. Nice 
annitram:
David H:
Anyone who votes BNP was defeated years ago. They attract Goldfish who crave for Red Robbo, coal mines and Green Shield stamps.Sorry David but I do not understand the link between the BNP and Red Robbo as they are at the opposite ends of the political spectrum even a Goldfish should be able to spot the difference.
Maybe not so different.
This is George Orwells take in the similarities of extreme ideologies
Orwell also was a pioneer of the left wingers, because he said that the Communism and Fascism are from the psychological point of view more or less the same. He admit that they were different in their beginning but the older the grow the more similar became the regimes on both sides. He stated that both sorts of regimes began to expropriating and nationalising the industry. Orwell saw in the Communist as well as in the Fascist leaders just people who were greedy for power and that their political views did not matter a lot so long the meanings promised increase of power.
His experiences in the Spanish civil war reinforced his view on the Communists, the Fascist and authoritarian respectively totalitarian regimes in general. He saw that their only aim was to get the power over Spain and that they did not fight for any particular form of society to help the people to increase their life standard.
What worries me is where are we going? 
We have a Political system that seems to want total control over itâs citizens, and are they gaining more and more power over us by using scare mongering tactics to erode our civil liberties.
The Clash had a view on this in the 80âs but it seems more relevent today than ever.
Know your rights all three of them
Number 1
You have the right not to be killed
Murder is a crime!
Unless it was done by a
Policeman or aristocrat
Know your rightsAnd number 2
You have the right to food money
Providing of course you
Dont mind a little
Investigation, humiliation
And if you cross your fingers
RehabilitationNumber 3
You have the right to free
Speech as long as youre not
Dumb enough to actually try it.