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[annitram]

muckles:

annitram:
Please note muckles that the stats you quote are based on the 2001 census and therefore not as relevant as they might be to the thread a large portion of eastern european migrants will have arrived within the last 7 years.

It does say 2008 est, but if you have better information then please post it.

I only read further into the info that you posted muckles but as the government has actually admitted they have no idea of the real numbers of immigrants in this country as we have not for a long time counted people out of the country most stats are at best guesswork.

Yes the topic of immigration has been debated for a long time but not where it should have been by our so called leaders. In fact I can remember that at the time William Hague was leader of the Tory party the Commission for Racial Equality managed to persuade all parties not to bring immigration as a subject for discussion at the General Election for “Fear of causing racial tension”. So yes the extremists win again as to not sign the agreement would have left the party to appear racist.

It cannot be racist to want to discuss immigration and every country would have a different viewpoint based on their own circumstances ,after all it was it not a certain Enoch Powell the minister responsible for encouraging immigration from “The Colonies” in the first place only to be vilified when he said enough was enough.

[annitram]

kemaro:

annitram:

kemaro:
the worst thing to be in this country is white british and male!!!..

kemaro please add WORKING to this phrase

I would do but a lot of us are no longer working thanks to this fantastic goverment!

touche`

[annitram]

muckles:

annitram:
Please note muckles that the stats you quote are based on the 2001 census and therefore not as relevant as they might be to the thread a large portion of eastern european migrants will have arrived within the last 7 years.

It does say 2008 est, but if you have better information then please post it.

How about this for a quote from the migrationwatch website (cheers MikeC)

Commenting on the failure of the Government to control immigration over the past 11 years, Phil Woolas, the new Immigration Minister is reported in The Sun as saying: He said ‘People didn’t believe the authorities knew what they were doing and there’s a very good reason for that - they didn’t.’ (October 21, 2008)

[annitram]

annitram:
N.B I wouldn’t have given him a jump-start due to the fact that there are 8 ECU`s on my truck and jump-starting is not recommended as these may blow
I would have been prepared to advise a garage exactly where he was though then he has the same choice as me to pay for it, I refused my customer the same request 2 weeks ago.

The ECU’s are also a concern of mine, but talking to my brother about jump starting cars (he used to do recovery work) he was told to turn the light on as any spikes will go through the light circuit.

However I went to jump start a Spainish truck a couple of months back and found a different problem. we can’t get to the battery box cover off because of side skirts and trailer being in the way. But we managed to start him with the taillift batteries in the back of the trailer and no risk of damaging the ECU’s.
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I have been heard this before from an auto-electrician at my local dealers and his view was for absolute emergency only. I wouldn`t expect anyone to compromise their truck for mine and wont do vice versa for that reason.

As an aside to this line of the thread re giving assistance its been a long time since I saw any body stop to help another truck of any nationality so maybe its time people got off of their high horses on this part of the thread. None of us can say that without doubt they would help under every circumstance due to the time pressure`s placed on us in this day and age of timed to the minute deliveries etc.

[muckles]

annitram:
How about this for a quote from the migrationwatch website (cheers MikeC)

Commenting on the failure of the Government to control immigration over the past 11 years, Phil Woolas, the new Immigration Minister is reported in The Sun as saying: He said ‘People didn’t believe the authorities knew what they were doing and there’s a very good reason for that - they didn’t.’ (October 21, 2008)

He’s Probably right, the biggest mistake they might have made is to allow total freedom for the workers from the new EU Countries to work in the UK when most other EU countries set controls on them.

But I still haven’t seen any other figures for net migration in the UK and how many of those are here temporary and how many stay.

[muckles]

annitram:
As an aside to this line of the thread re giving assistance its been a long time since I saw any body stop to help another truck of any nationality so maybe its time people got off of their high horses on this part of the thread. None of us can say that without doubt they would help under every circumstance due to the time pressure`s placed on us in this day and age of timed to the minute deliveries etc.

Not to help because you might damage the truck is one thing and fair enough, but for soembody to say they wouldn’t help because he was foreign is what offends me.
I’ve been lucky enough to travel extensivly in my job and have always found people more than willing to help me when I’ve needed it and I’ll always try and do my best to return the favour although I agree it’s not always possible.
As I said before “Karma” and it does work.

[annitram]

muckles:

annitram:
How about this for a quote from the migrationwatch website (cheers MikeC)

Commenting on the failure of the Government to control immigration over the past 11 years, Phil Woolas, the new Immigration Minister is reported in The Sun as saying: He said ‘People didn’t believe the authorities knew what they were doing and there’s a very good reason for that - they didn’t.’ (October 21, 2008)

He’s Probably right, the biggest mistake they might have made is to allow total freedom for the workers from the new EU Countries to work in the UK when most other EU countries set controls on them.

But I still haven’t seen any other figures for net migration in the UK and how many of those are here temporary and how many stay.

Here is a link to The Guardian website for all those Daily Mail/Express hating contributors amongst you. Please dont forget that these figures are bad enough and are likely to have been massaged just as favourably downwards as the mail might massage them upwards

Immigration to the UK: facts and figures | Politics | guardian.co.uk

and the Independent

Government red-faced over immigration figures - UK Politics, UK …

Sorry if the links don`t work but you can copy and paste them to your search bar

[christianh]

Harry Monk:

christianh:
may i ask how many of you, especially those in favour of zero immigration control, have been directly or indirectly affected by our governments immigration policy?

asking because up until last summer i was as liberal as the most liberal of you concerning immigration. i get on with people from other countries very well as a kid we used to provide a home to alot of foreign exchange students so you can imagine the values taught to me as a kid.

last summer i lost my job, after a few months of no luck finding a job i was on the verge of getting my home repossessed, fully expecting to soon be homeless i rang up my local housing authority to apply for a property.

from experience (2001) i knew the waiting list for a property even those deemed soon to be homeless would be atleast 6 months however when i rang up the nice lady told me i could expect a 3 [zb] year wait at the minimum. responding to my expletive on hearing this (remember im stressed as [zb] no job soon to be no homeless) the lady explained the waiting list has increased so much due to the huge increase in immigrants registering for a property. i dug a little further into this and found out ‘asylum seeker’s’ would get a property before me, as would any nationality with kids even if they left there country having had a home in that country.

job wise i lost a very well paying job in 2004 due to it being outsourced to india but jobs were easy to find then thankfully.

to the liberals who have posted on here : i wonder if your opinion will be as liberal if you lose your job due to it being cheaper to employ someone from another country? will you think the same if you have the threat of having no home and no chance of getting one because there are 1000s of immigrants in the queue for housing in front of you.

i sincerely hope you are ok in this recession, i hope things get better and we can all live happily alongside each other.

I don’t know, I just know I would give someone a jump-start if they needed it.

so would i i’d do it with no hesitation whatsoever. I blame government policy not the people.

sorry to repeat myself but i really do hope that things improve and we can all just sleep ok at night.

ive no malice towards any race lifes too short, the indian chap who ‘nicked’ my job in 04 ive stayed in touch with him since we email each other occassionally etc, he came here in when i worked in liverpool at barclaycard shadowed me for 6 months then took the job back home with him and was fine with that, business is business its the way of the world… and there were enough jobs to go round then i found another no problem.

but losing my job last summer was a whole new ball game it took months to find a job, i was going to interview after interview, with many immigrants & british at the same interview all after the same job. jesus i got turned for shelf stacking at sainsbury’s… i have several solid years of IT support! together with the waiting lists for housing shooting up i wasnt sleeping easy at night and couldnt help thinking would it be different if it wasnt for our countries immigration (or lack of) policies.

[gsm31]

annitram:

muckles:

annitram:
Please note muckles that the stats you quote are based on the 2001 census and therefore not as relevant as they might be to the thread a large portion of eastern european migrants will have arrived within the last 7 years.

It does say 2008 est, but if you have better information then please post it.

How about this for a quote from the migrationwatch website (cheers MikeC)

Commenting on the failure of the Government to control immigration over the past 11 years, Phil Woolas, the new Immigration Minister is reported in The Sun as saying: He said ‘People didn’t believe the authorities knew what they were doing and there’s a very good reason for that - they didn’t.’ (October 21, 2008)

Not long ago five illegals were discovered cleaning the Home Office Department responsible for dealing with . . . what else? Illegal immigrants.
And Ministers reckon there are up to 570,000 people here who shouldn’t be. It will take 20 years to deport them – if no more arrive in the meantime, that is.
Home Secretary Jacqui Smith was once asked whether any illegal immigrants were still working at the Home Office, after another was found guarding the main entrance. She said she had “no idea”.

Which just about sums up the Government’s approach to a problem that will only get worse as the recession bites – clueless.

No doubt Kenny still thinks The Home Office are doing a great job.

[kenny1975]

When did i say that ?

All i said was in respose to someone saying there was no immigration controls in the UK. The notion is put forward an illegal immigrant comes here illegally then applies for asylum and is automatically given it.

I stand by the fact that is complete nonsense i aint saying its not easy to get here illegally, but it is nonsense if you think they can stay here legally easily…

Most of the people here illegally are part of the black economy, to say they are stealing jobs is a bit of a joke unless you wanna work in a massage palour somewhere or want to go picking cockels in Morecambe Bay.

The real problem is the amount of legal immigration.

Also i was replying to the post that there is 50million africans on there way to the UK, you yourself posted a link which stated the UK is not opting into that.

[newmercman]

Waste of time this whole topic, nobody in power gives a toss what any of us think, I read today that an illegal immigrant was called up for jury service FFS, it was in the Sun so it must be true

How TF could this happen

[david_h]

My view on immigrants is quite simple. If you don’t like them move away and they’re no longer a problem.

[newmercman]

David H:
My view on immigrants is quite simple. If you don’t like them move away and they’re no longer a problem.

I did, I’m now…An Immigrant

[annitram]

gsm31:

annitram:

muckles:

annitram:
Please note muckles that the stats you quote are based on the 2001 census and therefore not as relevant as they might be to the thread a large portion of eastern european migrants will have arrived within the last 7 years.

It does say 2008 est, but if you have better information then please post it.

How about this for a quote from the migrationwatch website (cheers MikeC)

Commenting on the failure of the Government to control immigration over the past 11 years, Phil Woolas, the new Immigration Minister is reported in The Sun as saying: He said ‘People didn’t believe the authorities knew what they were doing and there’s a very good reason for that - they didn’t.’ (October 21, 2008)

Not long ago five illegals were discovered cleaning the Home Office Department responsible for dealing with . . . what else? Illegal immigrants.
And Ministers reckon there are up to 570,000 people here who shouldn’t be. It will take 20 years to deport them – if no more arrive in the meantime, that is.
Home Secretary Jacqui Smith was once asked whether any illegal immigrants were still working at the Home Office, after another was found guarding the main entrance. She said she had “no idea”.

Which just about sums up the Government’s approach to a problem that will only get worse as the recession bites – clueless.

No doubt Kenny still thinks The Home Office are doing a great job.

Believe it or not the home office has been caught out massaging the immigration stats again which obviously means NO ONE knows the truth its all guesswork but no will believe that the government stats are anything but underestimated.

The following is from the Daily Telegraph.

Well, well: the statistical chickens are coming home to roost for a government that has long played fast and loose with official figures.

The Home Office apologised for interfering with immigration figures

The Home Office has been forced to say sorry for seeking to interfere in the way immigration figures were released recently.

It seems old habits die hard. In order to inject some credibility into official figures, the Government agreed that they should all be issued by a new arm’s length body under the auspices of the new UK Statistics Authority.

But when immigration figures were published last week, the Home Office sent an official along to the Office for National Statistics briefing to hand out a press release that gave a distinctly unbalanced take on the subject.

The Home Office decided that the subject of greatest importance was a decline in the number of eastern Europeans coming to the UK, a line that was apparently followed up by at least one national newspaper.

Now, Prof David Hand, the head of the Royal Statistical Society, has complained that this “succeeded in partially diverting some journalists’ attention away from the comprehensive range of data being presented towards one specific issue”.

In truth, it should not have had this effect because any journalist following immigration and crime figures over the years have known to take any Home Office press notice with a pinch of salt.

They are always selective with their use of the statistics in order to cast the government in a positive light. That is why public faith in official figures has plummeted over the years.

As Prof Hand says in a letter to Sir Michal Scholar, head of the UK Statistics Authority: “The whole incident epitomises some of the bad practices that have helped to undermine public confidence in official statistics… At worst this can help to ‘bury’ news perceived as unfavourable to the Government.”

When you think of the vast sums of our money spent by the Government we at least have a basic right to know, without any statistical jiggery pokery, what we are getting for it.

Yet finding the truth, or anything like it, is often impossible because yardsticks are changed, goalposts moved, timescales altered, benchmarks lowered - all to make failure as difficult to discern as possible.

On the positive side, however, we appear to be seeing that rare creature: a state regulator with teeth. Previously, there was a Statistics Commission that was meant to keep an eye on all this but it was powerless to stop the abuse.

The head of the new statutory authority, Sir Michael Scholar, is a former permanent secretary at the Department of Trade and Industry. In an interview with this newspaper, he likened the creation of the authority to Gordon Brown’s decision to give independence to the Bank of England in 1997. “Good statistics are as important as sound money or clean water,” he said.

Maybe the Home Office and other departments have now got the message.

[annitram]

David H:
My view on immigrants is quite simple. If you don’t like them move away and they’re no longer a problem.

What a ridiculous statement to make … try selling your house in Leicester, Birmingham or Bradford and making enough money to buy one elsewhere.

WHY SHOULD PEOPLE WHO DONT LIKE IMMIGRANTS MOVE
Whatever happened to an Englishmans home is his Castle

[david_h]

You sound like a scratchy radio broadcast from the 1950’s. The Englishness you hark on about has long gone so accept it, adapt to it, move on with it and live in peace to it.

[ragnarok]

christianh:

Harry Monk:

christianh:
may i ask how many of you, especially those in favour of zero immigration control, have been directly or indirectly affected by our governments immigration policy?

asking because up until last summer i was as liberal as the most liberal of you concerning immigration. i get on with people from other countries very well as a kid we used to provide a home to alot of foreign exchange students so you can imagine the values taught to me as a kid.

last summer i lost my job, after a few months of no luck finding a job i was on the verge of getting my home repossessed, fully expecting to soon be homeless i rang up my local housing authority to apply for a property.

from experience (2001) i knew the waiting list for a property even those deemed soon to be homeless would be atleast 6 months however when i rang up the nice lady told me i could expect a 3 [zb] year wait at the minimum. responding to my expletive on hearing this (remember im stressed as [zb] no job soon to be no homeless) the lady explained the waiting list has increased so much due to the huge increase in immigrants registering for a property. i dug a little further into this and found out ‘asylum seeker’s’ would get a property before me, as would any nationality with kids even if they left there country having had a home in that country.

job wise i lost a very well paying job in 2004 due to it being outsourced to india but jobs were easy to find then thankfully.

to the liberals who have posted on here : i wonder if your opinion will be as liberal if you lose your job due to it being cheaper to employ someone from another country? will you think the same if you have the threat of having no home and no chance of getting one because there are 1000s of immigrants in the queue for housing in front of you.

i sincerely hope you are ok in this recession, i hope things get better and we can all live happily alongside each other.

I don’t know, I just know I would give someone a jump-start if they needed it.

so would i i’d do it with no hesitation whatsoever. I blame government policy not the people.

sorry to repeat myself but i really do hope that things improve and we can all just sleep ok at night.

ive no malice towards any race lifes too short, the indian chap who ‘nicked’ my job in 04 ive stayed in touch with him since we email each other occassionally etc, he came here in when i worked in liverpool at barclaycard shadowed me for 6 months then took the job back home with him and was fine with that, business is business its the way of the world… and there were enough jobs to go round then i found another no problem.

but losing my job last summer was a whole new ball game it took months to find a job, i was going to interview after interview, with many immigrants & british at the same interview all after the same job. jesus i got turned for shelf stacking at sainsbury’s… i have several solid years of IT support! together with the waiting lists for housing shooting up i wasnt sleeping easy at night and couldnt help thinking would it be different if it wasnt for our countries immigration (or lack of) policies.

The thing to remember is that the ruling elite of this country, the greasy corporate hands on the real levers of power, are addicted to cheap labour. A steady flow of migrants equals an ever deepening pool of available labour, which of course means wages are depressed whilst corporate profits (and executive pay) rises. It is a simple law of supply and demand that benefits the elite and impoverishes the working class.

The working man will naturally lay the blame at the door of the dark fellows or the folks from eastern Europe, as he can see them taking his job and lowering his wages. However, the real culprits that have engineered his poorer standard of living are the faceless, greedy and smug corporate elite, rubbing their hands together in the background.

[david_h]

The above also applies to people with private pension schemes who have shares invested in companies that employ a large number of low paid immigrant/domestic labour.

[annitram]

David H:
You sound like a scratchy radio broadcast from the 1950’s. The Englishness you hark on about has long gone so accept it, adapt to it, move on with it and live in peace to it.

You dont state your area David H but you must drive round with your eyes closed if you cannot see the changes going on to our towns and cities caused by people moving on because they dont like immigrants its a philosophy that creates ghetto`s and again a situation enabled by the government failing to control immigration.

I have not had a problem either accepting adapting moving or living in peace with the fact that times change, what I do have a problem with is having the politically correct numpties of this world trying to change laws in this country to suit the ways and customs of the immigrant population of this country.

Those immigrants that have chosen to live and WORK in this country are entitled to their own customs naturally and should be respected as being their choice but only within the laws of the land.

I look forward to seeing your comments when the Moslems get to bellow out The Calling in your neighbourhood.

[annitram]

[quote=“Ragnarok”

The thing to remember is that the ruling elite of this country, the greasy corporate hands on the real levers of power, are addicted to cheap labour. A steady flow of migrants equals an ever deepening pool of available labour, which of course means wages are depressed whilst corporate profits (and executive pay) rises. It is a simple law of supply and demand that benefits the elite and impoverishes the working class.

The working man will naturally lay the blame at the door of the dark fellows or the folks from eastern Europe, as he can see them taking his job and lowering his wages. However, the real culprits that have engineered his poorer standard of living are the faceless, greedy and smug corporate elite, rubbing their hands together in the background.[/quote]
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Yes the ruling elite has benefited from a never ending supply of cheap labour but the blame must still lie at the governments door, for by not controlling the situation they too benefit from cheap labour keeping down inflation and also by dividing the masses they disperse any meaningful opposition to their socialist ideals.

Do you not think that its ironic that as those seeking to escape a socialist way of life now find themselves in a Europe which is becoming more socialist by the day.