I noticed if you approach the “roundabout” from the a201 going south,if you go through just as it changes to amber,as you turn,there are more lights that turn red at the same time.They will be on red by the time you make the turn.But heres the thing,you wouldnt normally ecpect those lights to apply to you.The assumption would be that they apply to the traffic directly opposite them already on the roundabout,but thats not the case,I dont think.So please be very careful on this messy junction…
Sploom:
I noticed if you approach the “roundabout” from the a201 going south,if you go through just as it changes to amber,as you turn,there are more lights that turn red at the same time.They will be on red by the time you make the turn.But heres the thing,you wouldnt normally ecpect those lights to apply to you.The assumption would be that they apply to the traffic directly opposite them already on the roundabout,but thats not the case,I dont think.So please be very careful on this messy junction…
Generally look for white lines:
If you dont cross any solid, white, stop lines, then you arent jumping the lights.
If a set of lights stand alone, with no stop line, they are (probably) repeater lights for a set, with a stop line further away. Carry on through them.
After all you are at fault when you jump the white line> no white line, no fault.
Franglais:
Sploom:
I noticed if you approach the “roundabout” from the a201 going south,if you go through just as it changes to amber,as you turn,there are more lights that turn red at the same time.They will be on red by the time you make the turn.But heres the thing,you wouldnt normally ecpect those lights to apply to you.The assumption would be that they apply to the traffic directly opposite them already on the roundabout,but thats not the case,I dont think.So please be very careful on this messy junction…Generally look for white lines:
If you dont cross any solid, white, stop lines, then you arent jumping the lights.If a set of lights stand alone, with no stop line, they are (probably) repeater lights for a set, with a stop line further away. Carry on through them.
After all you are at fault when you jump the white line> no white line, no fault.
Firstly they’ve weaponised multiple light placement and sequencing to deliberately create congestion.It can apply at roundabouts or ordinary junctions.
It’s quite possible to cross the stop line on green at cautious speed to then get hit by a following changing amber and red light placed ahead of the first and that’s well ahead of the stop line.Such as heading into London on the A3 at the junction of A203.I was trapped between the two sets of lights in exactly that situation recently.
Junctions with multi lights are an ever increasing problems for trucks, especially fully loaded and exacerbated by the ever more hopeless smei auto gearboxes they hobble the vehicles with, they arn’t timed to allow slow accelerating vehicles through and failing to complete the junction with long vehicles means a junction rapidly snarls up completely, in some counties and towns i’d go so far as to say they’re deliberately timed to cause as much traffic chaos as possible.
The most obvious one that comes to mind (and fairly typical of Oxfordshire traffic light phasing) is the M40/A34 junction, approach south on the M40 and the second set of lights almost certainly stops you so only a small handful of vehicles can exit the M40 each time maybe two or three artics in the most used left lane, the queues this causes can be back nearly to Cherwell Valley, one wonders if some Oxon apparatchiks reside in Bicester or surrounds as that approach seldom has any issues.
Franglais:
If a set of lights stand alone, with no stop line, they are (probably) repeater lights for a set, with a stop line further away. Carry on through them.
After all you are at fault when you jump the white line> no white line, no fault.
I wouldn’t bet on it.These aren’t synchronised and I stopped at the second set which turned to amber and red before reaching them at around 15 mph.
maps.app.goo.gl/WQ937F1bJRwCcDwdA
Juddian:
i’d go so far as to say they’re deliberately timed to cause as much traffic chaos as possible.
We’ve got national and local governments stating an intent to disincentivise road use and train operators trying to maximise revenues.If it looks flies and quacks like a duck.
Juddian:
Junctions with multi lights are an ever increasing problems for trucks, especially fully loaded and exacerbated by the ever more hopeless smei auto gearboxes they hobble the vehicles with, they arn’t timed to allow slow accelerating vehicles through and failing to complete the junction with long vehicles means a junction rapidly snarls up completely, in some counties and towns i’d go so far as to say they’re deliberately timed to cause as much traffic chaos as possible.The most obvious one that comes to mind (and fairly typical of Oxfordshire traffic light phasing) is the M40/A34 junction, approach south on the M40 and the second set of lights almost certainly stops you so only a small handful of vehicles can exit the M40 each time maybe two or three artics in the most used left lane, the queues this causes can be back nearly to Cherwell Valley, one wonders if some Oxon apparatchiks reside in Bicester or surrounds as that approach seldom has any issues.
I’ve been heading North on the A34/M40 on a Monday morning and the queue can be past Cherwell , and on the A43 nearly back to Esso garage
No,there is no white line so yes,supposidly you can ignore it.But if you go through the first light just when it changes to amber,the 2nd light,you go through just after its turned red,by this time the cats coming down the A3 have a green light and they have already started moving towards you.Theres something seriously wrong with this junction abd I might complain .
Probably wasting my time…
I used to go through thre daily from camberwell green then off past the imperial war museum towards waterloo / guys. People dont look at thier own lights they look at everyone elses so soon as the set preceding thier turn turns red they go. thats not counting the busses that dont seem to bother with the lights
I doesn’t…
Matter how the lights are set on the M40/A34 roundabout. It’s always gonna back up during the busy periods.
As usual, it was half arsed from it’s design. Two major roads meet and what do they do? They do what they always do, build a roundabout. Then they put lights on it and then, after years of traffic misery, they do what they should have done at the start, turn it into a fork junction with a flyover for the Bicester road.
Build cheap always costs more in the long run.
Can we stick to the Elephant and Castle and maybe have another thread about the M40 A34…
Sploom:
Can we stick to the Elephant and Castle and maybe have another thread about the M40 A34…
wooooo
Carryfast:
Franglais:
If a set of lights stand alone, with no stop line, they are (probably) repeater lights for a set, with a stop line further away. Carry on through them.
After all you are at fault when you jump the white line> no white line, no fault.I wouldn’t bet on it.These aren’t synchronised and I stopped at the second set which turned to amber and red before reaching them at around 15 mph.
maps.app.goo.gl/WQ937F1bJRwCcDwdA
Surely there is only one set of lights there, maybe there is a fault, so you stopped at this one… google.com/maps/@51.4722805 … 384!8i8192
shullbit:
Carryfast:
Franglais:
If a set of lights stand alone, with no stop line, they are (probably) repeater lights for a set, with a stop line further away. Carry on through them.
After all you are at fault when you jump the white line> no white line, no fault.I wouldn’t bet on it.These aren’t synchronised and I stopped at the second set which turned to amber and red before reaching them at around 15 mph.
maps.app.goo.gl/WQ937F1bJRwCcDwdASurely there is only one set of lights there, maybe there is a fault, so you stopped at this one… google.com/maps/@51.4722805 … 384!8i8192
I stopped at that one which went to amber and red having crossed the set immediately preceding and just behind it out of shot, on green.Its a traffic management scam there’s no need for both sets of lights there.
So,I went past the junction again today and I can see that the lights around the corner are definitley aimed at traffic already on the roubdabout.That means,if you go through on amber,by the time you get round,you have traffic facing you with a green light to proceed.Thats a terrible situation
Carryfast:
shullbit:
Carryfast:
Franglais:
If a set of lights stand alone, with no stop line, they are (probably) repeater lights for a set, with a stop line further away. Carry on through them.
After all you are at fault when you jump the white line> no white line, no fault.I wouldn’t bet on it.These aren’t synchronised and I stopped at the second set which turned to amber and red before reaching them at around 15 mph.
maps.app.goo.gl/WQ937F1bJRwCcDwdASurely there is only one set of lights there, maybe there is a fault, so you stopped at this one… google.com/maps/@51.4722805 … 384!8i8192
I stopped at that one which went to amber and red having crossed the set immediately preceding and just behind it out of shot, on green.Its a traffic management scam there’s no need for both sets of lights there.
You stopped at the light at the link I posted? If so…why if you are in lorry you would be blocking the crossing, the set of lights you posted are the primary lights and there is a solid line to stop behind, the light I posted is the secondary light, you dont need to stop at this if you have already passed the solid line.
Yes,I get that but my point is,if you go through on amber,you dont have enough time to get through the junction before the lights on the southbound A3 have gone to green,so theres a risk of colliding with them
““Rule 176
You MUST NOT move forward over the white line when the red light is showing. Only go forward when the traffic lights are green if there is room for you to clear the junction safely or you are taking up a position to turn right. If the traffic lights are not working, treat the situation as you would an unmarked junction and proceed with great care.””
Highway Code.
So, you have correctly crossed the white line. You are moving through the junction.
If other traffic now gets a green light, that is a not a signal for them to zip off and blow their horns, and flash their lights at you.
Of course we know some will do that, but such is life.
The dead period between one set of lights going red and another going red is kept as low as possible, but maybe is too low here (I dunno).
Having a longer dead period will unfortunately have the some locals slipping through on the amber/red, or jumping before the green…
Yes,they were blasting their horns like crazy.It led me to think that I had gone through a red light.But when I looked back at the footage,it had just turned amber a split second before I went over the white line.I did complain to TFL,waiting for a reply…
Sploom:
Yes,they were blasting their horns like crazy.It led me to think that I had gone through a red light.But when I looked back at the footage,it had just turned amber a split second before I went over the white line.I did complain to TFL,waiting for a reply…
Oh the joys of being a professional driver! 