Franglais:
““Rule 176
You MUST NOT move forward over the white line when the red light is showing. Only go forward when the traffic lights are green if there is room for you to clear the junction safely or you are taking up a position to turn right. If the traffic lights are not working, treat the situation as you would an unmarked junction and proceed with great care.””
Highway Code.
So, you have correctly crossed the white line. You are moving through the junction.
If other traffic now gets a green light, that is a not a signal for them to zip off and blow their horns, and flash their lights at you.
Of course we know some will do that, but such is life.
The dead period between one set of lights going red and another going red is kept as low as possible, but maybe is too low here (I dunno).
Having a longer dead period will unfortunately have the some locals slipping through on the amber/red, or jumping before the green…
As opposed to the real world of needless multiple series of lights all independently sequenced to maximise congestion and revenues from ‘infringements’.
Sploom:
Yes,they were blasting their horns like crazy.It led me to think that I had gone through a red light.But when I looked back at the footage,it had just turned amber a split second before I went over the white line.I did complain to TFL,waiting for a reply…
Best to play TFL at its own game stop at every stale green and deffo whatever it takes at every amber and that’s just when driving a car.
Also not forgetting crossing an advanced cycle stop line on green then having to stop in the cycle box when the lights turn to amber.Then the inevitable moans from cyclists for being there.
It will take a political solution to what is a politically driven agenda regarding this anarchy.
Franglais:
If a set of lights stand alone, with no stop line, they are (probably) repeater lights for a set, with a stop line further away. Carry on through them.
After all you are at fault when you jump the white line> no white line, no fault.
I wouldn’t bet on it.These aren’t synchronised and I stopped at the second set which turned to amber and red before reaching them at around 15 mph. maps.app.goo.gl/WQ937F1bJRwCcDwdA
How can you possibly be ‘moving through the junction’ when the second set of lights turn amber and red here.Youve not even entered it.
Franglais:
If a set of lights stand alone, with no stop line, they are (probably) repeater lights for a set, with a stop line further away. Carry on through them.
After all you are at fault when you jump the white line> no white line, no fault.
I wouldn’t bet on it.These aren’t synchronised and I stopped at the second set which turned to amber and red before reaching them at around 15 mph. maps.app.goo.gl/WQ937F1bJRwCcDwdA
How can you possibly be ‘moving through the junction’ when the second set of lights turn amber and red here.Youve not even entered it.
What? I was clearly responding to Sploom and the junction he described.
However if you have crossed the white line that a light controls you should be OK to continue.
If the two sets of lights are “not synchronised” t6hen they must be controling two different white lines, mustn`t they?
The picture you provide doesn`t make it clear to me where you are or what you are talking about. Sorry.
Edit to add:
You enter a junction when you cross a solid white line.
You should not enter a junction if it isn`t clear, unless it is only passing traffic obstructing it. (right turns etc)
Franglais:
If a set of lights stand alone, with no stop line, they are (probably) repeater lights for a set, with a stop line further away. Carry on through them.
After all you are at fault when you jump the white line> no white line, no fault.
I wouldn’t bet on it.These aren’t synchronised and I stopped at the second set which turned to amber and red before reaching them at around 15 mph. maps.app.goo.gl/WQ937F1bJRwCcDwdA
How can you possibly be ‘moving through the junction’ when the second set of lights turn amber and red here.Youve not even entered it.
What? I was clearly responding to Sploom and the junction he described.
However if you have crossed the white line that a light controls you should be OK to continue.
If the two sets of lights are “not synchronised” t6hen they must be controling two different white lines, mustn`t they?
The picture you provide doesn`t make it clear to me where you are or what you are talking about. Sorry.
Edit to add:
You enter a junction when you cross a solid white line.
You should not enter a junction if it isn`t clear, unless it is only passing traffic obstructing it. (right turns etc)
The OP is describing a very similar multiple lights trap.
The words ‘moving through the junction’ can’t possibly apply because the lines are drawn way before you reach ‘any junction’.
The fact is you can go through the first set of lights at green and the second set can/will turn to amber and red before reach them.Before reaching ‘the junction’ in both cases.You’re saying keep on going ‘through the junction’ against the red light.
I’ll put this one up for opinions. Looking at the second traffic light near to the railings which is in phase with the main set of lights. Note that the offside light is only facing traffic coming towards you. There is a painted stop line on the oncoming carriageway but in this direction there is only a row of old fashioned metal studs. If you stop with a lorry having had a green at the main lights then the entire junction is blocked.
Carryfast:
The OP is describing a very similar multiple lights trap.
The words ‘moving through the junction’ can’t possibly apply because the lines are drawn way before you reach ‘any junction’.
The fact is you can go through the first set of lights at green and the second set can/will turn to amber and red before reach them.Before reaching ‘the junction’ in both cases.You’re saying keep on going ‘through the junction’ against the red light.
If there is one set of white lines that you cross, then there is one junction for you.
There may be lights, and repeater lights, but still only the one junction.
You enter the junction when you cross the line, irrespective of the positioning of the lights.
Some lights may have peculiar positioning, away from the line, as when a cycle box is added in, but the junction starts at the line.
The lines define the junction not “common sense”.
All too often one mans common sense is anothers silliness.
Carryfast:
The OP is describing a very similar multiple lights trap.
The words ‘moving through the junction’ can’t possibly apply because the lines are drawn way before you reach ‘any junction’.
The fact is you can go through the first set of lights at green and the second set can/will turn to amber and red before reach them.Before reaching ‘the junction’ in both cases.You’re saying keep on going ‘through the junction’ against the red light.
If there is one set of white lines that you cross, then there is one junction for you.
There may be lights, and repeater lights, but still only the one junction.
You enter the junction when you cross the line, irrespective of the positioning of the lights.
Some lights may have peculiar positioning, away from the line, as when a cycle box is added in, but the junction starts at the line.
The lines define the junction not “common sense”.
All too often one mans common sense is anothers silliness.
If you’re supposedly clear from when you ‘cross the line’ ( on green ) why the need for the second lights at all what purpose do they serve and why do the traffic light camera calibration lines need to go beyond the second lights ?.
It’s a trap and a traffic congestion creation scam and good luck to anyone who thinks that they don’t need to stop on amber or red at the second set of lights if they change while between the first to second.
The 2nd set of lights are aimed at the traffic already on the “roundabout”,they switch to red while the ones on the A3 turn green.But if you approach from the London Road,and go through on amber,you dont make it clear before the A3 lights have turned green
Sploom:
The 2nd set of lights are aimed at the traffic already on the “roundabout”,they switch to red while the ones on the A3 turn green.But if you approach from the London Road,and go through on amber,you dont make it clear before the A3 lights have turned green
Amber means stop.That obviously applies even moreso in the case of a long vehicle.
Having said that the rule of stop on amber defeats the object of having an amber light between green and red.In that case it needs a flashing green to denote the beyond use stale green.
While traffic lights on roundabouts defeats the object of having the roundabout.
While TFL among others are clearly weaponising traffic management by use of needless and often conflicting multiple traffic signalling.
These two sets of lights go red at the same time.
You pull up at the position in the picture.
The lights ahead then go green, and because you might be advanced enough to have the nearer set of lights “out of view” above your windscreen, you might instinctively move to pull away as you see the front set of lights go green…
SUDDENLY… A stream of cyclists pours out of the lane that is oblique, (right, and behind) and passes right under your view just in front of you, the paint on the road somewhat faded…
Wot a deathtrap!!
Here’s a French road safety ad that demonstrates just how little you can actually see…
It’s only a matter of time until someone in poll position - trundles over some cyclist(s) they didn’t even see in any mirror…
These two sets of lights go red at the same time.
You pull up at the position in the picture.
The lights ahead then go green, and because you might be advanced enough to have the nearer set of lights “out of view” above your windscreen, you might instinctively move to pull away as you see the front set of lights go green…
SUDDENLY… A stream of cyclists pours out of the lane that is oblique, (right, and behind) and passes right under your view just in front of you, the paint on the road somewhat faded…
It’s only a matter of time until someone in poll position - trundles over some cyclist(s) they didn’t even see in any mirror…
It’s looks like the second set is a pedestrian and cycleway crossing and therefore independent of the first set and could turn to red unilaterally after crossing the first set at green and vice versa.
It’s a similar situation as my example but opposite way round.
