Franglais:
the Home Office should order border force or navy come to that to sink those inflatable boats as soon as they hit British waters to stop illegal immigrants crossing to our shores, a few deaths mid channel may deter them"
Now you’re talking. 
…post of the year.
(Sieg Heil btw 
)
robroy:
Franglais:
the Home Office should order border force or navy come to that to sink those inflatable boats as soon as they hit British waters to stop illegal immigrants crossing to our shores, a few deaths mid channel may deter them"Now you’re talking.
(Sieg Heil btw
I’d prefer the more humanitarian approach of returned to France for their own safety and to encourage Les autres to stay and not risk their lives trying.Surely the French wouldn’t want to be seen to be putting lives at risk and would want to enthusiastically help in removing the incentive by building those new towns for them around Nice.
Carryfast:
REMOVING THE INCENTIVE .
Those 3 words are the simple and most blatantly obvious answer to the whole problem 
So why can the Governnent not see that and act upon it…job done.
Looks like Lineker ain’t doing MOTD tonight, not sure if he’s spit his dummy, or been suspended.
Don’t agree with the b/s he spouts, but full marks to Alan Shearer (aka God 
) and Ian Wright for backing him up by staging a no show protest
.
I’m all for solidarity whatever, if drivers were like that, this industry would not be the ■■■■ hole and cluster ■■■■ of injustices to drivers that it is now in terms of rights and conditions.
robroy:
Looks like Lineker ain’t doing MOTD tonight, not sure if he’s spit his dummy, or been suspended.
Don’t agree with the b/s he spouts, but full marks to Alan Shearer (aka God
.
I’m all for solidarity whatever, if drivers were like that, this industry would not be the [zb] hole and cluster [zb] of injustices to drivers that it is now in terms of rights and conditions.
Nice to agree.
As I hear it Lineker was told not to go in, and the others, as you say, are refusing.
There is, quite rightly, a rule that political/news etc commentators should keep a low public profile.
Alan Sugar has previously said which way he reckons people should vote with no comment form BBC. Double standards at work? BBC frit of the nasty Gov?
I see Dorries has resurfaced on TV to pass comment.
Pity she can`t get herself into Parliament. Absent for months.
publicwhip.org.uk/mp.php?mp … =everyvote
robroy:
Carryfast:
REMOVING THE INCENTIVE .Those 3 words are the simple and most blatantly obvious answer to the whole problem
So why can the Governnent not see that and act upon it…job done.
They are doing their best, mate! They are acting.
Not enough housing, economy alone amongst our peers still not recovered from pandemic, less foreign investment, Polish households about to overtake UK ones, attacks on free speech from the gov.
Yep, less incentive for anyone to come here all the time!
Ed
And to stop any drama queens getting the smelling salts out, this is a criticism of the Gov, not the country.
Franglais:
robroy:
Carryfast:
REMOVING THE INCENTIVE .Those 3 words are the simple and most blatantly obvious answer to the whole problem
So why can the Governnent not see that and act upon it…job done.They are doing their best, mate! They are acting.
Not enough housing, economy alone amongst our peers still not recovered from pandemic, less foreign investment, Polish households about to overtake UK ones, attacks on free speech from the gov.
Yep, less incentive for anyone to come here all the time!Ed
And to stop any drama queens getting the smelling salts out, this is a criticism of the Gov, not the country.
The irony in reply to a post stating that the problem is underpopulated France not providing any incentive for them to stay on the French side of the Channel.Including enthusiastically accepting back the returnees ‘rescued’ from the Channel to be resettled in new towns built in Sud France.
As opposed to the provision of a temporary transit encampment no surprise located in Calais.
So, Sunak.gov.uk.plc is to give nearly £500 million over the next three years (on top of what we’ve already paid) to La Belle France to help stop the pesky petits bateaux from becoming ‘small boats’ by the time they enter British waters. At what level of (illegal) arrivals will the project be declared a success, and will we get our money back if numbers don’t reduce significantly?
Hmmm, thought not.
What is France doing to stop them arriving on their soil in the first place? How many are they sending back? How long does it take their immigration service to process them? We don’t get to hear much about that…
fodenway:
So, Sunak.gov.uk.plc is to give nearly £500 million over the next three years (on top of what we’ve already paid) to La Belle France to help stop the pesky petits bateaux from becoming ‘small boats’ by the time they enter British waters. At what level of (illegal) arrivals will the project be declared a success, and will we get our money back if numbers don’t reduce significantly?
Hmmm, thought not.
What is France doing to stop them arriving on their soil in the first place? How many are they sending back? How long does it take their immigration service to process them? We don’t get to hear much about that…
That’s because the French don’t give a flying ****, they are more than happy to send all the illegals over here so it’s not their problem anymore and encourage this with no free accommodation, healthcare and money.
bigstraight6:
fodenway:
So, Sunak.gov.uk.plc is to give nearly £500 million over the next three years (on top of what we’ve already paid) to La Belle France to help stop the pesky petits bateaux from becoming ‘small boats’ by the time they enter British waters. At what level of (illegal) arrivals will the project be declared a success, and will we get our money back if numbers don’t reduce significantly?
Hmmm, thought not.
What is France doing to stop them arriving on their soil in the first place? How many are they sending back? How long does it take their immigration service to process them? We don’t get to hear much about that…That’s because the French don’t give a flying ****, they are more than happy to send all the illegals over here so it’s not their problem anymore and encourage this with no free accommodation, healthcare and money.
I dont know how long it takes for the French to process asylum seekers. I already pointed to the UK performance..>: " In the year ending March 2022, there were 824 returns of people who had previously claimed asylum in the UK (see section 3.2 below for the definition of an asylum-related return). This was 75% fewer than in 2019 (3,332). This continued a downward trend since 2010, when there were 10,663 asylum-related returns." [gov.uk/government/statistic](https://www.gov.uk/government/statistic) ... r-returned The last Labour Gov were returning over ten thousand a year, this lot cant manage one thousand."
Dunno what anyone else is doing, we aren`t doing as well as we were before.
“Send all the illegals over here” ?
UK…137,000
France…500,000
Germany…1,256,000
You are talking nonsense. Many more refugees are in many other countries than the UK.
Remember Turkey? An earthquake and ongoing crisis? Hardly a wealthy country to start with?
Nearly 4,000,000 refugees are being looked after by Turkey.
And whinging little Farage and others moan about how we are being made poorer by a few thousand refugees?
Whilst his chums and backers store their cash, made in the UK, by UK workers, in off-shore tax havens?
They own papers and other media and spin these false stories all the time.
Look at the facts and figures yourself.
Not a channel I often watch, and not the tone I would use maybe, but hard to find fault with any facts here:
youtube.com/watch?v=c0ZolcITq_M
Franglais …let’s knock the banter tennis, having pops,.scoring points, friendly jibes sarcasm, and all the rest for one minute… 
Ok…
‘‘Many more refugees are in other countries than what are in the UK’’ you say.
Ok,.you are maybe right…see we can agree .
But counting them all together (genuine refugees, and genuine scroungers,).and considering the UK is a relatively and comparitively smaller country to most others in the picture, …proportionally do you think it is equal in terms of person to square mile say?
I would say not,.and proportionally the UK has more in those terms.
Would you say that the scroungers contingent would (and do ) obviously prefer that ‘‘extra mile’’ to get to the UK, an ISLAND.
Bearing in mind the hardship peril and abuse from traffickers they CHOOSE , in favour of staying put in one if the equally safe states they have come through,…because of the comparatively amount of freebies and generosity handed out by the UK ?
Do you also believe the ridiculous incentive where they are prioritised over indigenous Brits, getting houses etc etc is to blame for that?
And finally do you actually believe that Starmer despite all his bluster.WOULD actually do any better than this lot?
I ain’t coming at this from the angle of being on the side of the Tories either btw,.as I am on a right downer with the ■■■■■■
I would vote Labour tomorrow IF I thought they were any better…but all the mamby pamby liberal left and woke b/s, champagne middle class socialists, pc issues, and all the rest of it ,abd the ‘piece de resistance’ leaving the country virtually bust and penniless last time ? hmmm not convinced.
Put Angela Rayner in charge, somebody who has had the ■■■■ ty edn of the stick most of her young life,.ex Union member, teenage mother, rough arsed council.est upbringing, who has witnessed REAL life,.and I’m with you, otherwise…not convinced.
Be gentle .
robroy:
Franglais …let’s knock the banter tennis, having pops,.scoring points, friendly jibes sarcasm, and all the rest for one minute…
Ok…
‘‘Many more refugees are in other countries than what are in the UK’’ you say.
Ok,.you are maybe right…see we can agree .But counting them all together (genuine refugees, and genuine scroungers,).and considering the UK is a relatively and comparitively smaller country to most others in the picture, …proportionally do you think it is equal in terms of person to square mile say?
I would say not,.and proportionally the UK has more in those terms.Would you say that the scroungers contingent would (and do ) obviously prefer that ‘‘extra mile’’ to get to the UK, an ISLAND.
Bearing in mind the hardship peril and abuse from traffickers they CHOOSEDo you also believe the ridiculous incentive where they are prioritised over indigenous Brits, getting houses etc etc is to blame for that?
And finally do you actually believe that Starmer despite all his bluster.WOULD actually do any better than this lot?
I ain’t coming at this from the angle of being on the side of the Tories either btw,.as I am on a right downer with the [zb].
I would vote Labour tomorrow IF I thought they were any better…but all the mamby pamby liberal left and woke b/s, champagne middle class socialists, pc issues, and all the rest of it ,abd the ‘piece de resistance’ leaving the country virtually bust and penniless last time ? hmmm not convinced.Put Angela Rayner in charge, somebody who has had the [zb] ty edn of the stick most of her young life,.ex Union member, teenage mother, rough arsed council.est upbringing, who has witnessed REAL life,.and I’m with you, otherwise…not convinced.
Be gentle .
Lots there to discuss. I will reply in more than one post.
Short questions don`t always have short answers!
For every complex problem there is always a quick and easy solution offered.
And it is always wrong.
A few figures? Since you ask…
Ill show my working so you can follow and correct any errors. Im on laptop and normal site, so tables may look wonky on Tapatalk or app.
UK…242,000 km.sq…67.8 m. pop…GDP…$3.78 trillion…refugees…137,000
France.(Not overseas territories)…552,000 km.sq …65.8m. pop…GDP…$3.67 t…refugees…500,000
Germany…358,000 km.sq…84.3m. pop…GDP…$5.32 t…refugees…1,260,000
Turkey…783,000 km.sq…85.3m. pop…GDP…$0.94 t…refugees…3,700,000
Area? Refugees per sq km?
UK…137/242…0.566
FR…500/552…0.906
D…1,260/358…3.52
TR…3,700/783…4.73
The UK is taking fewer refugees compared to area.
Wealth? Compare number of refugees to $ of GDP?
UK…137/3.78. …0.362
FR…500/3.67…1.36
D…1,260/5.32…'.2.37
TR…3,700/0.94…10.6
Compared to national wealth, the UK takes fewer refugees.
Population? How many refugees compared to the overall population?
UK…137/67.8…0.202
FR…500/65.8…0.76
D…1,260/84.3…1.49
TR…3,700/85.3…4.34
Compared to the population, in the UK, we take fewer refugees.
Ill look at your other points later...... Im sure you`re holding your breath!
Ok,.that’s a pretty concise answer to one of the questions …cheers.
Got to admit though it does not console me when I walk round certain areas of my own city,.around 2 large hotels,.the adjacent supermarkets, where gangs of young men, looking hostile quite frankly …btw which does neither phase me nor scare me personally, but when my daughters with their little kids stay away rather than do a normal family day out shopping, after once being followed around by one guy of African appearance, (I soooo wish I had been near that day 
) and the crime in the area has increased ten fold…including 2 rapes of girls in side streets coming out of clubs in ONE night, it does not fil me with neither confidence nor any love for these guys.
My youngest daughter was out around the town just last Fri night when I was away, I found myself ringing 3 of the doormen around the town that I know to discreetly keep an eye on her…she’s 24 ffs,.up until the last year or so I would not have done that.
On the other hand in the case of the REAL refugees, 2 of my little granddaughters have made new friends with 2 little Ukranian girls, and my daughter is friends with her mother,whose husband is fighting for his country, another granddaughter is friends with a little girl of Iraqi descent…all genuine people.
But still when I bring this issue up of fighting age guys in their all inclusive life, menacinglly walking around town…designer gear and trainers usually, in certain quarters the race card is played, or at least implied, by those who do not know me at all.
I’m sorry, but in my book they are just NOT welcome sponging off my and other working people’s tax…stay in France, it’s a much bigger country and equally as safe if you are pretending to be a refugee if some sort.
Franglais:
.Population? How many refugees compared to the overall population?
UK…137/67.8…0.202
FR…500/65.8…0.76
D…1,260/84.3…1.49
TR…3,700/85.3…4.34
Compared to the population, in the UK, we take fewer refugees.
But France has a far lower population ‘DENSITY’ therefore more space to house them and has more farmland and water catchment to feed them and water them and dilute their sewage.
While it’s equally clear that in this case France is counting those who are only intending to TRANSIT France to get here illegally who obviously aren’t than counted in our figure.Which is obviously facilitated and encouraged by the difference in respective French v UK government policies.
While they aren’t refugees they are economic migrants prepared to do whatever it takes to go where they perceive as providing the best economic handouts and advantage.Such as risking their lives to cross the Med and then the Channel.When there are numerous ‘safe’ places where they originate in Asia and Africa and the Middle East.Safe enough to be holiday travel destinations for us.
robroy:
Do you also believe the ridiculous incentive where they are prioritised over indigenous Brits, getting houses etc etc is to blame for that
Why is anyone on a waiting list for housing? Or doctors, dentists or schools?
Obviously, because there aint enough to go round. You mentioned housing so Ill stick with that.
Is it a few thousand migrants? Or the years and years of under investment?
“Over 1 million households are waiting for social homes. Last year, 29,000 social homes were sold or demolished, and less than 7,000 were built.”
england.shelter.org.uk/support_ … ng_deficit
I used the analogy before and Ill do it again. The ship has a bloody great hole it from the iceberg. The Gov and their friendly media are pointing to the open porthole. The UK has a serious long term housing problem. it isnt the fault of some recent arrivals.
youtube.com/watch?v=A_rb-ZY3mCE
Franglais:
robroy:
Franglais …let’s knock the banter tennis, having pops,.scoring points, friendly jibes sarcasm, and all the rest for one minute…
Ok…
‘‘Many more refugees are in other countries than what are in the UK’’ you say.
Ok,.you are maybe right…see we can agree .But counting them all together (genuine refugees, and genuine scroungers,).and considering the UK is a relatively and comparitively smaller country to most others in the picture, …proportionally do you think it is equal in terms of person to square mile say?
I would say not,.and proportionally the UK has more in those terms.Would you say that the scroungers contingent would (and do ) obviously prefer that ‘‘extra mile’’ to get to the UK, an ISLAND.
Bearing in mind the hardship peril and abuse from traffickers they CHOOSEDo you also believe the ridiculous incentive where they are prioritised over indigenous Brits, getting houses etc etc is to blame for that?
And finally do you actually believe that Starmer despite all his bluster.WOULD actually do any better than this lot?
I ain’t coming at this from the angle of being on the side of the Tories either btw,.as I am on a right downer with the [zb].
I would vote Labour tomorrow IF I thought they were any better…but all the mamby pamby liberal left and woke b/s, champagne middle class socialists, pc issues, and all the rest of it ,abd the ‘piece de resistance’ leaving the country virtually bust and penniless last time ? hmmm not convinced.Put Angela Rayner in charge, somebody who has had the [zb] ty edn of the stick most of her young life,.ex Union member, teenage mother, rough arsed council.est upbringing, who has witnessed REAL life,.and I’m with you, otherwise…not convinced.
Be gentle .
Lots there to discuss. I will reply in more than one post.
Short questions don`t always have short answers!
For every complex problem there is always a quick and easy solution offered.
And it is always wrong.A few figures? Since you ask…
Ill show my working so you can follow and correct any errors. Im on laptop and normal site, so tables may look wonky on Tapatalk or app.UK…242,000 km.sq…67.8 m. pop…GDP…$3.78 trillion…refugees…137,000
France.(Not overseas territories)…552,000 km.sq …65.8m. pop…GDP…$3.67 t…refugees…500,000
Germany…358,000 km.sq…84.3m. pop…GDP…$5.32 t…refugees…1,260,000
Turkey…783,000 km.sq…85.3m. pop…GDP…$0.94 t…refugees…3,700,000Area? Refugees per sq km?
UK…137/242…0.566
FR…500/552…0.906
D…1,260/358…3.52
TR…3,700/783…4.73
The UK is taking fewer refugees compared to area.Wealth? Compare number of refugees to $ of GDP?
UK…137/3.78. …0.362
FR…500/3.67…1.36
D…1,260/5.32…'.2.37
TR…3,700/0.94…10.6
Compared to national wealth, the UK takes fewer refugees.Population? How many refugees compared to the overall population?
UK…137/67.8…0.202
FR…500/65.8…0.76
D…1,260/84.3…1.49
TR…3,700/85.3…4.34
Compared to the population, in the UK, we take fewer refugees.I
ll look at your other points later...... Im sure you`re holding your breath!
Jesus wept, you obviously have far too much time to waste. The vast silent majority in our country want this illegal immigration to stop now, no ■■■■■■■■ statistics can counter that fact.
It’s illegal immigration precisely because there is nowhere to get legal entry into the uk except in the uk.
Instead of yet more money to france to patrol a very difficult coastline, reopening the centre for applicants in france would be more cost effective and it would stop people trying to cross a very dangerous bit of sea.
Since Brexit removed the legal obligations under the Dublin convention, no country can have migrants returned.
bigstraight6:
Jesus wept, you obviously have far too much time to waste. The vast silent majority in our country want this illegal immigration to stop now, no [zb] statistics can counter that fact.
I do have a fair bit of free time today, and since we don`t have a dictatorship, I spend it how I wish.
I find looking at actual facts and figures a pleasure.
If the vast majority are silent? Then the voices you hear must be inside your head. I suggest that you go and converse with them.
Even with all the free time I do have, I haven`t got enough to waste it talking to imaginary friends