Economic migrants in UK

[robroy]

I stop at calling them ‘refugees’ or GENUINE ‘Asylum seekers’’ as the vast majority ain’t.
Genuine ones like the people from Ukraine, or ones from Afghan who helped the allied forces, or the few that are under death threats in their own country?..not a problem, they are all welcome here in my book.
Trouble is a lot of opinion disagreement and disapproval comes from shear racism with many people,.that the media love to pick up on,.so the problem continues and exacerbates.

Looks like it all kicked off in Liverpool at weekend, the mainstream media were forced into discontinuing ignoring and censoring such actions,.as it had got out through social media.
Seems that some pond life had accosted an underage girl there, this and stuff like it is happening all over the UK, even my home city at least twice, once with a girl under 10 in Asda with her Mam shopping, not to mention the increase in general crime and anti social behaviour.
So stand by for the copycat ‘riots’ as they are described by the authorities. in other parts of the country.

Just watching Sky news, looks like the genie is out of the bottle, so they are having to report negative aspects of the present cluster ■■■■ of how the Govt is dealing with these ■■■■ s.

‘Abdullah Al Mazuri’ a guy belly aching about how he does not like the accommodation, and he’s bored sitting around (getting his life paid for) along with all the other numerous young men of fighting age, …where are all the women and kids btw?

FIVE AND A HALF MILLION pounds a DAY ffs all this is costing, while our own indigenous population are struggling with costs of living, homeless people including PTSD ex forces on the streets, pensioners with no heating,.and all the rest of it.

Something needs sorted, firstly by ignoring the bleeding heart liberal lefties, and taking a hard stand.
Then the ones who continue to keep coming every day, feed them and take them back,.then sort out the minority of genuine cases,.and ■■■■ the rest of em right off.

Most people I gave spoke to n all walks of life when this subject comes up, felt the same,.but as usual in the good old UK, minority opinion rules.

[juddian]

Wot those well known ‘far right’ thugs from Liverpool causing trouble again.

The govt the legacy media and the institutions have ignored a massive problem kicking the can down the road for years, absolved themselves of their sacred first duty of protecting the country and its citizens withg the media covering for them as always, no1 priority protecting children.
It was always going to end in violence, surprised it took this long, it would never have come to this if middle and upper class chidren had been targetted by low lifes, that problem would have been nipped in the bud with extreme prejudice, as it was mainly young girls from working class backgrounds it was ignored and accusations of various 'isms thrown at those who objected.
The rich never suffer from the decisions they make to suit themselves their wealth and their power base, twas ever thus.

A chap called Nick and another one who calls himself Tommy called this out many years ago, they tried to imprison Nick for daring to speak but the juries failed to do as urged, Tommy wasn’t so fortunate.
The general public nationally continued following the bread and circus entertainment routines on the telly ignoring the growing elephant in the room, because it didn’t affect them and they wouldn’t want to be associated with the likes of Nick and Tommy, now this problem is coming to every town and city and even threatening leafy villages all of sudden its an issue.

People had the chance to make a stand about this by voting for alternatives to the uniparty in years gone by, they failed to do so, and now they are way beyond voting their way out of this the penny has finally dropped, too late, the electorate surrendered their own country without a shot and barely a voice raised in protest.

[carryfast]

Define the need for ‘asylum’ in the UK.Bearing in mind that much of Africa and Asia are considered safe enough to be western tourist and holiday destinations.
The truth is they come here for the economic handouts and free health care.
The same applies to Eastern Europe including Ukraine.
Bearing in mind that Russian ally socialist utopia of China was/is Ukraine’s main trading partner which means feeding the PLA and providing the raw materials for its weapons aimed at us.
Also bearing in mind that the idea of sovereign nation states is by definition so called ‘racist’.
We’re being played and if you buy the bs racist card, in favour of the Kalergi style global collective that’s being imposed on us, you are part of the problem.

[robroy]

A mate just sent me this…I know Corbyn has no pull these days, but wonder if this is the official line of Labour.

I’d love to add the reply to him underneath it, but I’d be straight to premod.
I reckon you can guess.

[carryfast]

robroy:
A mate just sent me this…I know Corbyn has no pull these days, but wonder if this is the official line of Labour.

The official line of Labour is that only the ideologically Socialist, anti nation state, global collective, has the monopoly on representing the working classes.
Ironically the government and it’s WEF handlers are actually onside with these useful idiots just for different reasons.

[gog47]

They used to be called illegal immigrants (the lefty controlled media changed the definition)
I prefer to call them invaders. Whether it’s part of a Kalergi style plan I wouldn’t know but within a couple of generations we, the white indigenous population of these islands will be very much in the minority.
Mr Farage has been highlighting this invasion for a while now but, as usual, the MSM has been persuading a gullible public that he’s some kind of far right satan
We have been warned……

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[winseer]

You should be more worried about the way U’…s are being fast-tracked into the country, with their imported pets coming with them - bypassing the inland border facility, and the quarantine period any of the REST of us must face when attempting to bring a pet into the UK despite living here…

Anyone here taking holidays in France every year, that takes their dog with them? - Tell us how bad or how lax the current system is for bringing your pet home across the channel…

Far Right Riots in Liverpool?

Pull the other one!

Liverpool is THE leftist stronghold in the UK. It is the police that are more likely to have their heads kicked in on-sight by marauding far left “rioters” I would have thought…

Back on the subject of the blue and yellows - Are their any ethnic Russians from that civil war-torn country that routinely get rejected upon attempting to enter the UK as a “Refugee”…?
They are supposed to be treated equally - but are they?

Also, what happens if you get a “Single White Female” situation happen, where the “guest” turns upon their household that has put them up, with the end result that the people there end up moving out, and leaving them to it…?

If you wouldn’t buy a ring from someone in a layby, or won’t accept “euros” in payment for your diesel being syphoned - then why on earth would anyone default-trust a complete stranger ALLOCATED to their home?
(You try and vet them yourself - and see what the authorities tell you…)

You might prefer to take in genuine women & children, but in practice you’ll end up being allocated a father and son of military age, with their old dear who’s the mother-in-law… “wife and kids - killed by Putin” you’ll get told, but we all hear on the news how hundreds of generals, thousands of colonels, and millions of russian “rookie” troops have been slaughtered by the elite home guard forces, with the Russians finding enough time and tactical advantage to clear all their dead off the battlefield using these “mobile crematoria” which any engineer will tell you is a “no such animal”…

Well, at least there won’t be any pressure on local schools - will there?
Pressure on the NHS though - is another matter…

We (the US Coalition) left loads of people behind in Afhganistan, which kinda closes the door on anyone else thinking of “pretending to be Afghan” to get into the country… Notice that the West isn’t aiding the opposition to the Taliban any further, despite them being right royally shafted by the West withdrawing when they did…

Most of the “Syrian Refugees” had African accents, we’re told - which seems a rather long way to go via to get to blighty and the rafts of benefits awaiting them all…

I tip my hat meanwhile to all those genuine migrants who took a job in the UK, rather than disappeared into the black economy upon arrival… It shouldn’t be about what, who, and where you came from - just what you intend doing from here on in the UK…

[winseer]

GOG47:
They used to be called illegal immigrants (the lefty controlled media changed the definition)
I prefer to call them invaders. Whether it’s part of a Kalergi style plan I wouldn’t know but within a couple of generations we, the white indigenous population of these islands will be very much in the minority.
Mr Farage has been highlighting this invasion for a while now but, as usual, the MSM has been persuading a gullible public that he’s some kind of far right satan
We have been warned……

I think they gave up comparing Farage to “Satan”, since most people are irreligious these days. The Left are quite happy to dub the Republican governor of Flordia “De Satan”, because people both Left and Right still have some faith left in that once-great country…
A lot of how you view Farage happens to be on what camera angle you use, of course…

and if take a more right-leaning look at Farage

Not forgetting the neutral look too…

Just report the news, and don’t dress things up with left, right, or center.
“The Truth” belongs to ALL, but no one ever has a monopoly on it.

The greatest dangers in the world today - are “Lies backed up by Facts”, and “Truths that are not believed” AS facts.

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[robroy]

^^^^^^^
Don’t know wtf all that is about …, but anyway on with the thread.

Yet another outrage on this subject.

[carryfast]

robroy:
^^^^^^^
Don’t know wtf all that is about …, but anyway on with the thread.

Yet another outrage on this subject.
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It’s obvious that they aren’t risking their lives to cross the channel in a dingy because France is too dangerous for them to stay.

[winseer]

Thing is peeps, you ain’t done anything about it for decades by this point - have you all?

I bet there are not many people on here that have voted Reform, UKIP, but have yet to vote Labour like yours truly hmm?

All this tosh we get on the media that “Economic migrants are welcome, because it is they that take up the jobs Brits don’t want”…

Well, actually that is a rarity these days. Someone from outside the EU travelling THROUGH the EU to get to a point where they need to risk their lives to cross the channel illegally, only not to be recognized as an illegal anything whilst doing so, refusing to take a job when they get here (because they can’t without a NI number - right?) and yet can still claim welfare handouts, which then discourages them from EVER getting a legit PAYE-Taxpaying job…

Compare that to EEs that have slowed down to a trickle these days coming here minus those going back home again…

The easiest thing a young Brit can do to get a job these days is “knock on doors at short-staffed firms”.
Warehousing, Transport, Healthcare, Public Servants - and good money is about too, compared to the old minimum wage fayre that young people get pretty much everywhere else…

This country continues to count together then - the true “Economic Migrant” - the EE taking a job and paying UK taxes alongside the “Welfare ■■■■■” who’s only here for the free handouts, which are obtainable on arrival even in the black economy - by simply moving in with a UK Citizen that happens to be from the same cultural background… They - that “Host” - can then apply for extra benefits they are already drawing for the extra “mouths to feed”, “Adult Dependents”, or whatever else is an acceptable thing to put on a welfare claim form these days…

[andy187]

robroy:
^^^^^^^
Don’t know wtf all that is about …, but anyway on with the thread.

Yet another outrage on this subject.
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wrong

reuters.com/article/uk-fact … SKBN22J30G

This is not correct. Illegal immigrants cannot claim benefits in the UK. A person is classed as an illegal immigrant when they do not have the right to remain in the country.

A basic state pension can be claimed by a man who was born before 6 April 1951 or a woman who was born before 6 April 1953. The full basic state pension is £134.25 a week, or £6,981 a year. (www.gov.uk/state-pension) To get the full basic state pension you need a total of 30 qualifying years of National Insurance contributions or credits. (here)

Pensioners born after the above dates can draw the new state pension of up to £175.20 a week, or £9,110 a year. A person needs 35 qualifying years to get the full rate, but can receive a proportion of it if they have between 10 and 35 qualifying years. (www.gov.uk/new-state-pension)

[robroy]

^^^^^^:
If I am wrong I stand corrected, take it back and apologise.
I’m never shy to admit when I am wrong…so I’ll put that last post to bed.
But …

Am I also wrong about how much it costs to house and feed these people in what are otherwise known as luxury hotels.
It has even been reported that at least one of those hotels have actually been purchased for that use.

They are also being promised houses,.whether that is just what they have been told or not I do not know, I do know though that my own youngest daughter and her family can not afford a house of their own,.even though both her and her partner work.

Could that money be not better spent on those suffering hardship from our own indigenous population.

The bike shed in one of the local hotels in my city are in full capacity with brand new bikes, the doctor’s surgery in that area virtually prioritises on these people over tax paying locals.
Local taxis are being handed vouchers to ferry them about the city, one taxi driver I know says they are all young men up to press.

If you are so inclined gather up.few like minded people and peacefully protest outside a hotel,.I’ll guarantee at least 20 Police will rock up mob handed, the same police who never turn up to a burglary because of their famous ‘limited resources’ which are far from evident in these cases,.so even our day to day services are suffering.

Say what you like they are a burden and an expense we can not afford.
As for race,.I could not give a flying ■■■■ what colour race,.religion or creed they are,.so let’s knock that one on the head…
I would feel the same if they were ■■■■ white Norwegians draining our economy of money that could be put to much and many better uses.

migrationwatchuk.org/briefi … -in-hotels

[andy187]

Rob, I agree in some of what you say, but there is so much misinformation

insidehousing.co.uk/comment … sing-50729

My late father got nothing when he arrived…
In your words a man of fighting age.

And yes he was involved with fighting an invading army.

He was in his mid 20s when he arrived in UK as a refugee.

With his baby daughter and his mother. And no money.

Just help from friends already here.

Yes some come here because they are told the streets are lined with gold.

But some come here because of family already here. And probably already speak a bit of English. Waiting till they get asylum granted then apply for family to join them.

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[carryfast]

andy187:

robroy:
^^^^^^^
Don’t know wtf all that is about …, but anyway on with the thread.

Yet another outrage on this subject.
0

wrong

reuters.com/article/uk-fact … SKBN22J30G

This is not correct. Illegal immigrants cannot claim benefits in the UK. A person is classed as an illegal immigrant when they do not have the right to remain in the country.

A basic state pension can be claimed by a man who was born before 6 April 1951 or a woman who was born before 6 April 1953. The full basic state pension is £134.25 a week, or £6,981 a year. (gov.uk/state-pension) To get the full basic state pension you need a total of 30 qualifying years of National Insurance contributions or credits. (here)

Pensioners born after the above dates can draw the new state pension of up to £175.20 a week, or £9,110 a year. A person needs 35 qualifying years to get the full rate, but can receive a proportion of it if they have between 10 and 35 qualifying years. (gov.uk/new-state-pension)

They are entitled to the full range of ‘refugee’ and ‘asylum’ type benefits on arrival regardless of ‘how’ they arrive and from where and as and until it has been decided and proven that they don’t fit the definition of an ‘asylum’ seeker.
Which is not only a rare finding but it’s even more rarely enforced even if it is.
With a rigged long drawn out appeals process and favourable free representation and continuing asylum benefits…
Which is obviously an oxymoron regarding anyone leaving France to enter the UK illegally.In which it’s government policy to bring them in not land them back in France.
Why else would they want to risk their lives to cross the channel if not for the better benefits they get here than they get in France.
As for the new state pension you mean progressively ripping off claimants, to the tune of a year or more’s worth of payments, by moving the retirement age goal posts.
Especially in the case of women been moved from the 60 state pension age to 66 or later.

[carryfast]

robroy:
^^^^^^:
If I am wrong I stand corrected

You’re not wrong the pro immigration useful idiot tendency are deliberately confusing ‘our’ benefit system with the totally different system which applies to ‘asylum’ seekers.
Asylum benefits apply from the point when they arrive regardless of their immigration status.

[robroy]

andy187:
Rob, I agree in some of what you say, but there is so much misinformation

insidehousing.co.uk/comment … sing-50729

My late father got nothing when he arrived…
In your words a man of fighting age.

And yes he was involved with fighting an invading army.

He was in his mid 20s when he arrived in UK as a refugee.

With his baby daughter and his mother. And no money.

Just help from friends already here.

Yes some come here because they are told the streets are lined with gold.

But some come here because of family already here. And probably already speak a bit of English. Waiting till they get asylum granted then apply for family to join them.

Mate,.seriously I have no problem with genuine bonafide refugees, in the same boat (no pun intended btw ) as your Dad was, as I have already said.
This country has always been a safe haven from before the time of WW2 when the Jews arrived.
At present the focus is on the Ukranians now, in fact one of my little granddaughters goes to school with a little Ukranian girl who she has kinda took under her wing,.the family intend to return. (when somebody is brave enough to top Putin before he escalates things.)

An ex squaddie mate tells me of an Afghan family he knows, the guy was an interpreter for the British Army out there.
In my book these genuine people and their families are welcome.

But in your own opinion from what you know hear or see,.what percentage of these people in hotels are in that category, and how many are here freeloading at our expense, who have already passed through ■■■■ knows how many already safe countries, but instead have favoured the UK SOLELY for the (over) generous handouts.
How many would be so keen to come and stay if the Govt sudenlly took a harder line,.and prioritised on it’s own people.

We are a relatively small ISLAND ffs,.something has to give,.and as far as I see it with my own eyes, and despite what the left wing media feed us,.MOST people are ■■■■■■ off with it all.

[gidders]

My dad enlisted in the army in 1939.He served 6 years.After demob he worked as an electrical engineer until age 63 then he died.During his lifetime he received child allowance for my sisters and me.He was not old enough to get old age pension.
I am not against legal immigration.The people who float across on a rubber ring are illegal and always will be.At best they are queue jumping.Why successive politicians have failed to get a grip on that defeats me.

[sploom]

If I was in power,I would immediatly get the UK to sign out of that asylum agreement.If we have 2 million asylum seekers land here,we have to take them all in because thats what we agreed.
This country is already full up.We cant keep taking endless people in from countries that have completley different way of life.We will make the country into something else.Its not what the soldiers gave their lives for in 2 world wars.
You mentioned ex forces homeless should be helped first,agree with that

[the_maoster]

Whaaaat? ^^^ that’s not very Christian my friend