(Lorry driver who ran over sleeping homeless woman in Liverpool jailed)
A terrible and unfortunate accident where a woman was killed.
But did the driver really deserve jail?
It was an accident, he explained how it happened.
What good exactly is going to be achieved by jailing the guy?
That my opinion anyway for what it’s worth…and I fully get the inevitable 'What if it was your ‘’…etc etc
i feel for the driver i really do. i think the victim statement didnt help matters (made me want to scream at the father) but then im not a parent. looking at the sentence i think the judge felt sorry for the driver too but their hands were tied with how to deal with it.
If it had been a pedestrian he ran over fair enough, but you dont expect somebody to be kipping under a duvet or whatever outside a garage forecourt.
It was a pure Accident nothing else.
What good is jail gonna do?
Teach him not to run over randomly placed rough sleepers maybe ? 
Ridiculous…plus he got a 12 month ban when he comes out of nick to stick the knife in a bit deeper.
Why not a 2 yr ban with a suspended sentence for instance, given the circumstances
I really free for him too, but am a bit puzzled. The witness said he reversed over her but sounded to me like he cut the corner because of the parked car and ran over her with the trailer.
After 2 boys get a minimum 8 years for a deliberate and horriific murder, this is beyond the Pale.
i think he was about to reverse to take a shunt and a car driver stopped him. least thats the way i read it
I havent bothered to look on google but if its like the spar down the road from my friend its a real bugger blind side reverse down a slope with bollards either side and off set to the road back on yourself with parked cars opposite and off a main road.
There’s always going to be a point where a driver has to make the call to tell the guvnor and customer that there’s no safe access to make the drop.
Driveway access across a pavement is hazardous enough.If the wheels actually have to go onto the pavement that’s probably a deal breaker even if it’s clear.
1 life ended and many lifes ruined 
Surely if the garage knew she was rough sleeping outside they would of had a duty of care to move her on.
Was it a delivery they didnt know about as i thought they had rough etas for arrivals to move cars and block out where the trailer should go.
Also as a driver and you saw something like a duvet and bag of sorts you’d jump out quickly and kick it out the way rather than drive over them, dunno really, too late now anyway
I’ve had a look at it don’t get why he even needed to access it off Wilbraham Street when its a massive wide entrance and yard off the A59.Surely it’s no different to the access needed for the tanker deliveries.
Kinda my thoughts too, driving over an unknown object? And on the pavement?
Definitely a GOAL moment.
Some numpty on FB said “company are keeping him on”
His earliest date for getting behind the wheel would be April 2026: serve 6 of the 12 months jail time, then the ban kicks in, plus the extra month the TC always adds onto HGV bans, and this assumes there is no re-test requirement from the TC, and the employer can find an insurer who will take the risk.
And as someone else pointed out, the company (whoever they are, I don’t know) may have gone bust long before that date, with the current market economic environment. And if its a fuel tanker company, they’ll be looking to scale back the workforce as the situation with EVs develops.
OK, cause for wringing of hands is apparently over, according to an “expert” on FB that is…
Apparently this is just “old news”, despite both BBC and Lancs Live running the story with 27th Sept 2024 as the dateline, our knowledgeable expert tells us “old story he’s back with.his firm”
Ah well, that’s good enough to convince me I reckon, you can’t argue with the unverified word of a random FB poster.
To be fair it would be interesting to find out exactly if the victim was actually sleeping on the pavement of Wilbraham Street.Then the driver decided for some insane reason to use that access point conflicting with the pavement not the bleedin great big mile wide entrance on the A59.
Or did he in fact use the A59 access and the victim was actually sleeping in that entrance ?.The latter would be grounds for an appeal.
The former a plea of insanity.
If you hate or dissaprove of FB (as I do) why do you go on it?
I feel the same way, but the only time I have with FB is if my wife tells me something of interest has come up on her ‘page’ or ‘site’ or whatever tf you call it, and even then it is about a friend or family.
Otherwise I avoid it like haemmeroids it causes more trouble than enough imo.
I have seen friendships end and divorces caused by it .
(i) a couple of the TM groups are reasonably OK, and
(ii)To laugh at the numbnuts talking absolute garbage: Like national strikes when they aren’t in a union, and how if drivers could just “stick together” they could get DCPC scrapped, and going on about not renewing their DCPC and how “that’ll show them” to the government
Cruel, perhaps, but we all need some levity in our day
The entrance wall has been hit a few times so the various year pics on Google earth shows , there’s a lot of tyre marks cutting over the pavement too. My guess is it was either a Spar, Booker, Warburton’s or Muller in a rigid. Deffo a rigid because cars or no cars an urban rear steer would blindside it no problem.
Yeah well as well as what I said I also look and dip in via the wifes access (that sounds so wrong btw 
) at local transport groups also, and yeah there is a lot of amusing drivercrap and b/s on there.
Got to pick you up on one thing though
In the unlikely (nay impossible) event of drivers actually sticking together as one, in a Trade Union or even a union with s small ‘u’, …(instead of it being easier than herding cats in reality) …they/we could achieve ANYTHING, even DCPC abolishment.
(My Labour/T.Union roots coming out there )
In stark reality your DCPC classes are safe as houses 
, as it will NEVER happen through lack of vertebrae and support in the industry.
As I’ve said before the only way forward for drivers to have a better carreer is to carve out their own future by saying f. everyone else (as they say the same about you) and concentrating just looking after no1 and making a crap job from anything from bearable to enjoyable…it works for me anyway as I am STILL in the ‘enjoyable’ stage to a point after all these years…so it CAN work.
Classic trucknet csi. And an expert driver too 
I haven’t looked at the entrance btw, cba.
Personally don’t think he should of been jailed just going off the article.
Probably because the delivery point will be the door at the back of the shop between Wilbraham Street and Wilbraham Place, but Carryfast knows all.
There are two entrances one of which is big enough for two artics at the same time.
Generally if you run over someone walking, or sleeping, on the pavement, with a truck, it’s jail time.
And I could be chosen by NASA for their first manned mission to Mars… Same kind of liklihood.
If drivers want to try to achieve anything theyu should aim for better working conditions, such as maximum 12 hour days
Again I must remind you: DCPC is not my bread and butter, the only reason I’ve been doing it lately is because five years seemingly isn’t enough time for the unprofessional drivers to get their excremental act together, and everybody has been backed up to the hilt trying to get the half-are-sed through their responsibilities.
This week (and next) I’m delivering TM-CPC, far more interesting and rewarding I can assure you.
Yep there are an abundance of issues that could be done with being sorted in this job, long before the DCPC came up on the list.
I could not agree more with the 12 hour day max thing, in fact when I started we were still on the final stages of log sheets on a 12.5 hour max…
It always makes me laugh when you dare suggest a cut in the hours on here, you get the inevitable crack off the ‘maxing out teararse crew heroes’ saying…
‘You are in the wrong job if it’s a problem, it has ALWAYS been like that’'…newsflash no it has not.
Same guys who would work 24 hours if they could are the main problem in the job, and their own worst enemies.
However…got to fess up, I did 6 days last week, instead of my usual 4 on 3 off, 75 hours
Not a chance in hell of going back to all that crap permanently,.and downright ridiculous in 2024.