Double manned, wtd

ASK THE EXPERTS SAFETY, LAW AND WORKING TIME DIRECTIVE FORUM (INTE
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shep532:
This whole thing is just about semantics.

It is all just a trick question.

I’ll bet you hear that from your pupils everyday :laughing: :laughing:

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shep532:
This whole thing is just about semantics.

The EU rules do not mention anywhere a limit to working time. they set rest requirements in a 24 hour period from the end of the last rest. there is no offence I know of for exceeding 15 hours of duty. the offence is insufficient rest or exceeding a daily driving period. if there is no offence for exceeding 15 hours duty - there cannot be a rule about it in the first place.

Check the graduated fixed penalties list. There are penalties for exceeding 9 hours driving, 10 hours driving, 56 hours in a week, 90 hours in a fotrnight - but none for 13 hours duty or 15 hours duty. there is one for Insufficient daily rest in 24 hour period and this is a scaled penalty based on the amount of rest - not the amount of duty.

Therefore - I could work a 16 hour duty period and I would only be fined £60 for having rest of less than 9 but more than 8 hours.

if there was a fine for exceeding 15 hours of duty I would accept the rules set a limit. But they do not.

It is all just a trick question.

You do that 4 times mate and you would have no licence and have to bend over for a caning with the TM :stuck_out_tongue: :laughing: :stuck_out_tongue:

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Drivers mates

From what I can see they do not have to make official records because they do not drive but are subject to RTD

If I am correct then only the RTD determines what their work hours can be

Am I correct?

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ROG:
Drivers mates

From what I can see they do not have to make official records because they do not drive but are subject to RTD

If I am correct then only the RTD determines what their work hours can be

Am I correct?

Hi Rog

my boss told me when i was doing removal’s that make sure your porter put down all breaks there have on the day sheet for RTD and if there in next day there must have a rest when i asked him about this he showed me this

i then i understood

Rest periods
8.–(1) In the application of these Regulations, the provisions of the Community Drivers’ Hours
Regulation relating to daily and weekly rest shall apply to all mobile workers to whom they do not
apply under that Regulation as they apply to other mobile workers under that Regulation.

The bit in Red is the porter the bit in blue is the Driver

so in fact there have to have weekly and daily rest just drivers do