Hi, could somebody just give me a simple summery on wtd whilst double manning?
Daily max working hours.
Daily max driving.
Thanks
A
haribo4000:
Hi, could somebody just give me a simple summery on wtd whilst double manning?Daily max working hours.
Daily max driving.
Thanks
A
The RTD has no max daily working time limit
If both drivers have a 10 hour driving day left for the fixed week then a total of 20 hours driving can be done within the maximum 21 hour shift
When not driving the tacho goes into slot 2 and the non driver is on either break or POA so non of that time counts for the RTD
thank you. 
ROG:
haribo4000:
Hi, could somebody just give me a simple summery on wtd whilst double manning?Daily max working hours.
Daily max driving.
Thanks
AThe RTD has no max daily working time limit
If both drivers have a 10 hour driving day left for the fixed week then a total of 20 hours driving can be done within the maximum 21 hour shift
When not driving the tacho goes into slot 2 and the non driver is on either break or POA so non of that time counts for the RTD
Rog I think your wrong there
RTD is for drivers that use EU regulations and therefor have to follow them and a you know there is a limit on your duty in a day
3.–(1) These Regulations apply to mobile workers who are employed by, or who do work for, undertakings established in a Member State of the European Union, and to whom paragraph (2) or paragraph (3) applies.
(2) This paragraph applies to mobile workers who in the course of that employment or work drive, or travel in, vehicles
(a)which fall within the meaning of ‘vehicles’ in Article 1 of the Community Drivers’ Hours Regulation;.
(b)which are not referred to in Article 4 of that Regulation; and.
(c)in respect of which exemption from provisions of the Community Drivers’ Hours Regulation has not been granted by regulation 2 of the Community Drivers’ Hours and Recording Equipment (Exemptions and Supplementary Provisions) Regulations 1986(1).
The EU regs have a max duty limit by the default of the rest requirements which could be 15 hours of WORK if the driver did 4 hours driving and 11 hours of other work
The RTD does not have a daily limit for WORK
Two different regulations that run side by side
ROG:
The EU regs have a max duty limit by the default of the rest requirements which could be 15 hours of WORK if the driver did 4 hours driving and 11 hours of other workThe RTD does not have a daily limit for WORK
Two different regulations that run side by side
RED
Yes I know it does not, but as we driver under the Community Drivers’ Hours Regulation, AKA EU 561/2006 there are saying that that as president and therefore there is a limit in the work hours you can do.
because if I took your word and followed your advice it would mean I can work for 24 hours a day but I know we can’t do that under RTD (working time ) because the working time is for drives that driver under the Community Drivers’ Hours Regulation which as you should know have limits on duty time work time or what ever you want to call it
Blue
there don’t run side bye side, the two separate rule each with there own rules but as you should know 561/2006 takes priority over the other if there is a situation that makes the 561/2006 that as priority not
as a driver you have to use EU or domestic and as you know there a work limit on both ( EU 15 hours, domestic 11 )
Explain how they do not run in tandem with each other
One does not take precidence over the other - they have seperate rules
I could say that the RTD takes precidence over EU regs in this situation …
Other work 2 hours - drive 2 hours - other work 2 hours … at this point the EU regs say that the driver can carry on but the RTD says that a break must be taken
delboytwo:
Yes I know it does not, but as we driver under the Community Drivers’ Hours Regulation, AKA EU 561/2006 there are saying that that as president and therefore there is a limit in the work hours you can do.
The OP specifically asked about WTD limits. He did not ask about EU driver’s hours limits.
As ROG correctly said, the WTD (or more accurately the RT(WT)R) does not specify a maximum length of working day.
If you start talking about 561/2006 or whatever you’re just confusing the issue.
Paul
ROG:
Explain how they do not run in tandem with each otherOne does not take precidence over the other - they have seperate rules
I could say that the RTD takes precidence over EU regs in this situation …
Other work 2 hours - drive 2 hours - other work 2 hours … at this point the EU regs say that the driver can carry on but the RTD says that a break must be taken
No Rog for the to work under RTD there after follow EU rules first
the only time the RTD would take precedence over EU regs is if the passenger does not drive IE there a Driver mate or a porter
if you driver a truck for a living and it carrying goods which regs do you follow first?
We are not taking about breaks were discussing the length of duty
can you work 24 hours under RTD if you drive under EU rules or Domestic hours ?
answer those question and you mite get the point
and Rog if you read the regs you will find in there , that you can not work for more than 60 hour in one week and your working time must not exceed 48 over your reference period.
repton:
delboytwo:
Yes I know it does not, but as we driver under the Community Drivers’ Hours Regulation, AKA EU 561/2006 there are saying that that as president and therefore there is a limit in the work hours you can do.The OP specifically asked about WTD limits. He did not ask about EU driver’s hours limits.
As ROG correctly said, the WTD (or more accurately the RT(WT)R) does not specify a maximum length of working day.
If you start talking about 561/2006 or whatever you’re just confusing the issue.
Paul
so what about the 60 max working week or the 48 hour average then there a limited to what you can do
And as you all should know your under EU regs if you drive for just 1 minute in that day you could only work for 12 hours 14 minutes
45 minutes RTD break and 12 hours 14 other work and 1 minute driver 13 hour max duty if you only had a 13 hour day left under EU regs
delboytwo:
so what about the 60 max working week or the 48 hour average then there a limited to what you can do
The question was about the DAILY limit - not weekly or average
ROG:
delboytwo:
so what about the 60 max working week or the 48 hour average then there a limited to what you can doThe question was about the DAILY limit - not weekly or average
there is a limit for the day and that limit is because there driver under EU regs which takes president on RTD
is either 15 hours or 13 hours depending on what is left in the week unless there working double manned 21 hours
What is the maximum work in a day that can be done under EU regs?
What is the maximum work in a day that can be done under the RTD?
ROG:
What is the maximum work in a day that can be done under EU regs?What is the maximum work in a day that can be done under the RTD?
EU 15
RTD same If driving under EU regs
why do I say the same you say because daily rest take priority on EU regs, and if you were not a mobile worker you would not be under the RTD, and that why there do not tell you the daily limit because the EU regs have already set them
ROG:
What is the maximum work in a day that can be done under EU regs?
No limit to the amount of work I can do. there is however a rule for the amount of rest I must have.
ROG:
What is the maximum work in a day that can be done under the RTD?
No limit
double manned drivers could work less hours that a single driver
delboytwo:
ROG:
What is the maximum work in a day that can be done under EU regs?What is the maximum work in a day that can be done under the RTD?
EU 15
RTD same If driving under EU regswhy do I say the same you say because daily rest take priority on EU regs, and if you were not a mobile worker you would not be under the RTD, and that why there do not tell you the daily limit because the EU regs have already set them
Max work under EU regs in a day is 15 providing no more than 4.5 hours of driving is done
Max work under RTD regs in a day is 14 hours and 15 mins
CAVEAT - for single drivers
there one for the book Rog now changes his tune, there is limit what have I been trying to say for the last few posts
delboytwo:
ROG:
can you work 24 hours under RTD if you drive under EU rules or Domestic hours ?answer those question and you mite get the point
and Rog if you read the regs you will find in there , that you can not work for more than 60 hour in one week and your working time must not exceed 48 over your reference period.
Mmmmm … when working under domestic rules for goods vehicles I come under the normal WTD - not the RTD version. I can opt out of the 48 hour weekly average and there are no other rules for WTD except that I am entitled to ‘adequate’ rest and the employer must ensure I get ‘adequate’ rest. I don’t even have to stop for a break when working to domestic rules under the WTD. No 6 hour take a break, no 6 - 9 hours 30 minutes of break etc 
I don’t even have the 60 hour weekly limit.
it’s crazy