delboytwo:
double manned drivers could work less hours that a single driver
They usually do if the work etc is split 50/50
The maximum work for one driver in a 21 hour shift when double manning could be 20 hours and 15 mins
ROG:
Max work under EU regs in a day is 15 providing no more than 4.5 hours of driving is done
But the 15 hour duty under EU regs is not specified as a limit. only the rest period is specified which by default leaves the duty limit.
ROG:
Max work under RTD regs in a day is 14 hours and 15 mins
Again there isn’t a limit specified.
shep - is the quote correct in your last post at 8.21?
shep532:
ROG:
Max work under EU regs in a day is 15 providing no more than 4.5 hours of driving is doneBut the 15 hour duty under EU regs is not specified as a limit. only the rest period is specified which by default leaves the duty limit.
ROG:
Max work under RTD regs in a day is 14 hours and 15 minsAgain there isn’t a limit specified.
As you correctly pointed out - there are limits by default due to the rest requirements
shep532:
delboytwo:
ROG:
can you work 24 hours under RTD if you drive under EU rules or Domestic hours ?answer those question and you mite get the point
and Rog if you read the regs you will find in there , that you can not work for more than 60 hour in one week and your working time must not exceed 48 over your reference period.
Mmmmm … when working under domestic rules for goods vehicles I come under the normal WTD - not the RTD version. I can opt out of the 48 hour weekly average and there are no other rules for WTD except that I am entitled to ‘adequate’ rest and the employer must ensure I get ‘adequate’ rest. I don’t even have to stop for a break when working to domestic rules under the WTD. No 6 hour take a break, no 6 - 9 hours 30 minutes of break etc
I don’t even have the 60 hour weekly limit.
it’s crazy
you have a limit on your work of 11 hours and only driver a max of 10 hours in a day
ROG:
delboytwo:
ROG:
What is the maximum work in a day that can be done under EU regs?What is the maximum work in a day that can be done under the RTD?
EU 15
RTD same If driving under EU regswhy do I say the same you say because daily rest take priority on EU regs, and if you were not a mobile worker you would not be under the RTD, and that why there do not tell you the daily limit because the EU regs have already set them
Max work under EU regs in a day is 15 providing no more than 4.5 hours of driving is done
Max work under RTD regs in a day is 14 hours and 15 mins
CAVEAT - for single drivers
please explain that please
as a driver in a day I can do 14 hours and 15 minute work a day if I have 15s left
EU regs only - start 0600 and finish 2100 with only 4 hours of driving - how much break must be taken ?
delboytwo:
so what about the 60 max working week or the 48 hour average then there a limited to what you can do
Yes but as there are only 24 hours in a day neither of those are likely to limit the number of hours you can work in a day.
Paul
ROG:
EU regs only - start 0600 and finish 2100 with only 4 hours of driving - how much break must be taken ?
depends on how much work done if less than 9 hours 30 minutes if more than 9 hours 45 min, as you no POA and Breaks don’t count
delboytwo:
No Rog for the to work under RTD there after follow EU rules firstthe only time the RTD would take precedence over EU regs is if the passenger does not drive IE there a Driver mate or a porter
if you driver a truck for a living and it carrying goods which regs do you follow first?
I don’t understand why you think we should follow one or the other first.
The rules are simple. You must obey all the rules set down in both sets of regulations. There is no need for one or the other to have precedence. You simply obey both.
By suggesting one set has precedence over the other you are suggesting that you can disregard one set of rules if you are forced to by the other and this is simply not the case. You obey both.
Paul
repton:
delboytwo:
so what about the 60 max working week or the 48 hour average then there a limited to what you can doYes but as there are only 24 hours in a day neither of those are likely to limit the number of hours you can work in a day.
Paul
there do because your working under EU and therefore max work is given in them in a day IE 15,13
there don’t have to tell your work limit in a day as its set by EU regs and that’s takes priority if you would under them and there presume that you know that.
repton:
delboytwo:
No Rog for the to work under RTD there after follow EU rules firstthe only time the RTD would take precedence over EU regs is if the passenger does not drive IE there a Driver mate or a porter
if you driver a truck for a living and it carrying goods which regs do you follow first?
I don’t understand why you think we should follow one or the other first.
The rules are simple. You must obey all the rules set down in both sets of regulations. There is no need for one or the other to have precedence. You simply obey both.
By suggesting one set has precedence over the other you are suggesting that you can disregard one set of rules if you are forced to by the other and this is simply not the case. You obey both.
Paul
Paul
for you to follow RTD you must be working under EU regs if you don’t drive Under EU regs you would not be under RTD
duty is defined by EU regs and as there the main ones, there the ones that have priority one work limits and therefor you can only work a max of 15 hours in a day if you have them available
delboytwo:
repton:
delboytwo:
so what about the 60 max working week or the 48 hour average then there a limited to what you can doYes but as there are only 24 hours in a day neither of those are likely to limit the number of hours you can work in a day.
Paul
there do because your working under EU and therefore max work is given in them in a day IE 15,13
Yes but (as I have already pointed out once) the OP was asking about the WTD and not the EU regs. Besides the OP is asking about double manning so if you are going to insist on making the question twice as complicated as it needs to be then the correct answer is “21 hours” as if you’re double manned you can run 21h before you have to have 9h off.
Paul
delboytwo:
shep532:
delboytwo:
ROG:
can you work 24 hours under RTD if you drive under EU rules or Domestic hours ?answer those question and you mite get the point
and Rog if you read the regs you will find in there , that you can not work for more than 60 hour in one week and your working time must not exceed 48 over your reference period.
Mmmmm … when working under domestic rules for goods vehicles I come under the normal WTD - not the RTD version. I can opt out of the 48 hour weekly average and there are no other rules for WTD except that I am entitled to ‘adequate’ rest and the employer must ensure I get ‘adequate’ rest. I don’t even have to stop for a break when working to domestic rules under the WTD. No 6 hour take a break, no 6 - 9 hours 30 minutes of break etc
it’s crazy
you have a limit on your work of 11 hours and only driver a max of 10 hours in a day
Yes.
But there are no limits under working time regulations. the limits in this case are in the domestic rules. They are - as already pointed out - two different sets of rules working alongside each other.
Paul
Example
Driver drives under EU drivers regs as 1 15 hour day left drives for 1 hour parks up for 10 hours on POA how much other work can he do be for he as to take a rest
Answer
4
repton:
delboytwo:
repton:
delboytwo:
so what about the 60 max working week or the 48 hour average then there a limited to what you can doYes but as there are only 24 hours in a day neither of those are likely to limit the number of hours you can work in a day.
Paul
there do because your working under EU and therefore max work is given in them in a day IE 15,13
Yes but (as I have already pointed out once) the OP was asking about the WTD and not the EU regs. Besides the OP is asking about double manning so if you are going to insist on making the question twice as complicated as it needs to be then the correct answer is “21 hours” as if you’re double manned you can run 21h before you have to have 9h off.
Paul
I have been going on about a post Rog said not the OP
The RTD has no max daily working time limit
delboytwo:
I have been going on about a post Rog said not the OPThe RTD has no max daily working time limit
The RTD does not have a max daily working time limit
shep532:
delboytwo:
I have been going on about a post Rog said not the OPThe RTD has no max daily working time limit
The RTD does not have a max daily working time limit
yes it does you work under EU regs which as and therefor the RTD presume you know your duty limits for the day
The RTD has no max daily working time limit
Is 100% correct unless someone can find something in the RTD rules that I have missed
ROG:
The RTD has no max daily working time limit
Is 100% correct unless someone can find something in the RTD rules that I have missed
The RTD limits you to the provisions of the Community Drivers hours legislation whether or not you fall under such legislation in its own right .