as far as i am aware, when double manned, the passenger is on rest/break correct? does that rest have to be taken on the seat or is it legal to travel on the bunk while the vehicle is in motion? (still talking about the person NOT driving 
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the person not driving can take his rest whilst the other driver drives, this rest can be in the seat or on the bunk, the rest that can be taken is the 45 minute rest and not an 8 or 9 hour rest.
the maximum working time for a double man team is 22 hours, they must then take an 8 hour rest, whilst double manned the 8 hour rest is not a reduced rest period, the law is that a multi manned crew must have 8 hours rest in every 30 hours which equates to the 22 hours duty plus 8 hours rest, the rest time is not a maximum, itâs a minimum - you can have more.
the only thing used to bother me when double manning and sleeping in the bunk was the fact that you were not secured in any way and thereby you had to have complete trust in your partner that they knew when to stop, knew when they were too tired to continue etc.
i was lucky with my 2 regular partners, both were excellent drivers and friends too during the 18 months (9 months each).
judge your partners driving before you go to bed and ask yourself if you trust them with your life.
Cheers Johnny but you went too indepth mate. im double manned with my mate tomorrow in my truck. he wanted another driver since its a long day (in his book 
) and he wanted it to be me so i got the truck swapped so i can use my own wagon
i just wondered if it was legal for me to stretch out while he is driving 
johnny:
i was lucky with my 2 regular partners, both were excellent drivers and friends too during the 18 months (9 months each).
judge your partners driving before you go to bed and ask yourself if you trust them with your life.
And if you donât get on with them itâs absolute hell. 
Thank god for Ipods.
scanny77:
Cheers Johnny but you went too indepth mate. im double manned with my mate tomorrow in my truck. he wanted another driver since its a long day (in his book
i just wondered if it was legal for me to stretch out while he is driving
I suspect that it might be illegal under the seatbelt law (assuming one is fitted to the seat).
(cue standard joke about not having to wear a seatbelt if there isnât one fitted)
Also remember that you can take a break in a moving vehicle, but not rest.
MrFlibble:
I suspect that it might be illegal under the seatbelt law (assuming one is fitted to the seat).
that is exactly what i wondered about 
You would probably have to look at the exact wording of the legislation (or a âtranslationâ thereof) to know the correct answer. However, AIUI in the case of cars, then all seats with seatbelts have to be used first (and their occupants have to wear the seatbelts) before any seats without seatbelts can be used. Assuming that the truck legislation is similarly-worded, it would almost certainly be illegal.
The wagon that i use as a net to put up so if you do happen to brake sharply the net will stop you going forward.
You cannot have a rest or a break in our lorries the only thing driver 2 can select on the tacho is the poa square, so when double manning we need to have a mutual break after 9 hours.
scanny77:
MrFlibble:
I suspect that it might be illegal under the seatbelt law (assuming one is fitted to the seat).that is exactly what i wondered about
Given that on another thread you say you donât wear a seat belt in the truck anyway scanny, does it really matter if you are in the seat or on the bunk if stopped?
Sorry, couldnât resist. 
Seatbelts only have to be worn when occupying a âforward facingâ seat.
Even in a car, if you chose to lie on the floor between the seats, then a seatbelt neednât be worn (and would be a bit damned difficult )
Coffeeholic:
scanny77:
MrFlibble:
I suspect that it might be illegal under the seatbelt law (assuming one is fitted to the seat).that is exactly what i wondered about
Given that on another thread you say you donât wear a seat belt in the truck anyway scanny, does it really matter if you are in the seat or on the bunk if stopped?
Sorry, couldnât resist.
what i personally do is nothing to do with it. im curious about whether or not we can legally travel on the bunk while another driver is at the wheel. the bunk is the same as the one fitted in a TGA with the bar that folds up into place.
scanny77:
what i personally do is nothing to do with it. im curious about whether or not we can legally travel on the bunk while another driver is at the wheel. the bunk is the same as the one fitted in a TGA with the bar that folds up into place.
I donât get you sometimes scanny, you are concerned about the legality of travelling on the bunk but unconcerned about travelling illegaly in the driver or passenger seat? 
Personally I think it would be OK from a legal point of view. There are coaches that have bunks in them and there seems to be no problem with people using them when the vehicle is moving. Motorhomes would be another case in point.
Coffeeholic:
scanny77:
what i personally do is nothing to do with it. im curious about whether or not we can legally travel on the bunk while another driver is at the wheel. the bunk is the same as the one fitted in a TGA with the bar that folds up into place.I donât get you sometimes scanny, you are concerned about the legality of travelling on the bunk but unconcerned about travelling illegaly in the driver or passenger seat?
Personally I think it would be OK from a legal point of view. There are coaches that have bunks in them and there seems to be no problem with people using them when the vehicle is moving. Motorhomes would be another case in point.
like i said mate, its nothing to do with putting it in practice. i am merely curious. i like to know the laws that govern us. its as simple as that
Coffeeholic:
[. Motorhomes would be another case in point.
But not caravans
Ratchet straps! Thatâs the answer .
Before you castigate me for making light of your genuine request Richie, perhaps, as Krankee says in effect, seat belts are for seats, if youâre not in one you donât need one.
Salut, David.
Spardo:
seat belts are for seats, if youâre not in one you donât need one.
Salut, David.
fair point BUTâŚSHOULD you be in the seat rather than in the bunk whilst mobileâ â ? 
or is it illegal to be in the bunk when the vehicle is in motion?
In all the time that i have had to doubleman we have not had any problem with the second man sleeping in the bed whilist the vehicle is driveing ,ââBUTââ
as one member has already stated this does not count as a rest break,as the vehicle has to be stationary for a period of 8hours to count as a rest break for
doublemanned vehicles,
Itâs standard practice when double-manning, Scanny. We used to do it when I doubled manned on clothing deliveries and nothing was ever said when the Ministry found us like that.
The above posts are right btwâŚtime spent not at the wheel can count as ârestâ but not âbreakâ for tacho purposes whilst the vehicle is moving.
Lucy:
The above posts are right btwâŚtime spent not at the wheel can count as ârestâ but not âbreakâ for tacho purposes whilst the vehicle is moving.
The problem with that these days is that with the new style tacho heads when the vehicle is moving the 2nd man position defaults to the âsquare mode.â This means the tacho would need to be claused on the back explaining you were actually at rest, not sure how that would be viewed by the authorities, or both drivers will need to take a 45 at the same time while the vehicle is stationary.
Ah, life was so much easier in the good old days.
scanny77:
fair point BUTâŚSHOULD you be in the seat rather than in the bunk whilst mobileâ â ?
Gawd. Itâs hard work at times.
[u]**Seatbelts only have to be worn when occupying a 'forward facing' seat.**[/u]You can Velcro yourself to the bloody roof-lining and Nobody, repeat Nobody, cares, except an Insurer assessing any claim for injuries received whilst so travelling.