Ok,Obviously I know you have to keep left,but sharing getting at is ,because most people seem to ignore the open hard shoulder,is if anyone has ever been prosecuted for lane hogging,the same as on a traditional motorway
Sploom:
Ok,Obviously I know you have to keep left,but sharing getting at is ,because most people seem to ignore the open hard shoulder,is if anyone has ever been prosecuted for lane hogging,the same as on a traditional motorway
When did you hear of anybody last getting nicked for lane hogging on ANY type of m.way?
There are virtually no Police patrol cars anymore,.so as far as lane discipline goes it’s a complete cluster ■■■■ of free for all.
All or most of smart m.ways have cameras, they should use them to nick these idiots who refuse to use them as intended.
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Well,here is one,you dont hear of many though.But zi just wonder,if that was a smart motorway ,if the police would still prosecute for not using the open hard shoulder
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I’m all for these d/heads being nicked, they just cause problems and imo are as dangerous as acts such as tailgating and inappropriate speed.
As illustrated in the case you give as an example,.they are totally oblivious to tfirstly the frustration they cause, but more importantly to the fact that their ■■■■ poor style of driving is actually illegal…(.I read the name on the device used to nick them, thinking it read ‘‘Retards’’ and thought it was very apt. 
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They started to supposedlly ‘clamp down’ on this 5 years ago 
, but nothing has changed at all.
I would reckon their ‘clamping down’ is more like just a few isolated cases, which is
VERY out of character for the Police to miss a trick for raising revenue…, the cynic in me makes me look for an ulterior motive, but I’m ■■■■ ed if I can find it.
As for your question on smarts, I would say ‘Yes’, the signs clearly say ‘Use hard shoulder’ not ‘Use hard shoulder only if you agree with the system’ ,.and the law remains the same, ‘Keep left unless overtaking’…
No offence mate, but I STILL think you should know this as a pro (and advanced) driver, and not a newbie, without having to ask but hey, there you go,.at least it’s cleared up…is it?
Yes,at least I know now
Sploom:
Yes,at least I know now
…Sorry mate,.reading that back I did come across in that last sentence as a right patronising arse there 
(but at least I was more polite and tactful than Conor was )
Have a good Christmas. 
robroy:
(but at least I was more polite and tactful than Conor was
Genghis Khan…
Was more polite and tactful than Conor is.
yourhavingalarf:
robroy:
(but at least I was more polite and tactful than Conor wasGenghis Khan…
Was more polite and tactful than Conor is.
True.
But there’s other more intelligent ways to make a point rather than chucking a few insults around. That point could have been made without any hint of bellendery, but alas here we are…
robroy:
Sploom:
Yes,at least I know now
Have a good Christmas.
No worries,happy Christmas to you too
Gidders:
When I used to drive to Germany regularly in the 80s/90s I noticed their drivers would automatically drop onto a hard shoulder (if there was one) when the queue was filling a slip road.I figured it was in their highway code.They also tended to filter 2 lanes into one,zipper style,unlike us Brits.
Well noticed Gidders.
All simple stuff really to make for a better day but way beyond most of the dullards here who have argued at length here several times before against zip filtering in turn when there are lane closures etc.
Hurryup&wait:
Gidders:
When I used to drive to Germany regularly in the 80s/90s I noticed their drivers would automatically drop onto a hard shoulder (if there was one) when the queue was filling a slip road.I figured it was in their highway code.They also tended to filter 2 lanes into one,zipper style,unlike us Brits.Well noticed Gidders.
All simple stuff really to make for a better day but way beyond most of the dullards here who have argued at length here several times before against zip filtering in turn when there are lane closures etc.
The issue isn’t zip merging.It’s that zip merging a mile before the closure can be done at higher speeds than forming a needless bottle neck a few yards from it.
In most cases the continent, including Germany, puts a no overtaking sign first before any obstruction, which by definition means all traffic move to lane 1.
Then they move the traffic to which ever side they want it after that including contraflows.
Hurryup&wait:
Gidders:
When I used to drive to Germany regularly in the 80s/90s I noticed their drivers would automatically drop onto a hard shoulder (if there was one) when the queue was filling a slip road.I figured it was in their highway code.They also tended to filter 2 lanes into one,zipper style,unlike us Brits.Well noticed Gidders.
All simple stuff really to make for a better day but way beyond most of the dullards here who have argued at length here several times before against zip filtering in turn when there are lane closures etc.
I’m not sure this is a good idea,if there is a big delay on the slip road,and if the queue on the hard shoulder goes back far enough there will come a time when you will have vehicles in lane one wanting to come off up the slip road but the people wont let them in,because they will see them as someone trying to jump the queue,when it’s not their fault they didnt know about the delay on the slip road,
Carryfast:
Hurryup&wait:
Gidders:
When I used to drive to Germany regularly in the 80s/90s I noticed their drivers would automatically drop onto a hard shoulder (if there was one) when the queue was filling a slip road.I figured it was in their highway code.They also tended to filter 2 lanes into one,zipper style,unlike us Brits.Well noticed Gidders.
All simple stuff really to make for a better day but way beyond most of the dullards here who have argued at length here several times before against zip filtering in turn when there are lane closures etc.
The issue isn’t zip merging.It’s that zip merging a mile before the closure can be done at higher speeds than forming a needless bottle neck a few yards from it.
In most cases the continent, including Germany, puts a no overtaking sign first before any obstruction, which by definition means all traffic move to lane 1.
Then they move the traffic to which ever side they want it after that including contraflows.
No it doesnt. You really haven’t got a clue. I lived there, got my licence there,and drove there.
A no overtaking sign means dont overtake. They dont put them in front of zipping points, because theres no need. People in Germany and the Netherlands know how to zip just before the obstruction. The whole idea of zipping just before the obstruction is to minimise the queue before the obstruction. But you obviously wouldn’t know about that…
Caught out by somebody with actual knowledge and experience again…
Almost killed the guy 2days ago on Birmingham flyover when his van broke down on live hard shoulder.
Dark, rain, slight left turn with concrete barrier…they should never let that hardshoulder running! Sign lane closed 200yards behind incident…
I rather get home late than never…
Not using hardshoulder anymore at night…never mind of fine…
I use it but just at z steady speed just in case,If theres stationary traffic,theres always the risk someone will cut in from lane as well as the broken down vehicles,I agree though,its a crazy idea opening the hard shoulder,I couldn’t believe it when it started,these smart motorways
Way I see it, it’s just a case of adapting, definitely taking even more care, and avoiding going into autopilot mode as you tend to do on normal stretches…mentally impossible not to I would say unless you are new and fully concious of your driving all the time.
I too originally thought it was a stupid idea but it can and does work, if adapted to as I said, proven by the fact there are numerous more non events every day, than events.
Conor:
…leave me a lane that’s nice and empty that I can tank down at the speed limit undertaking all the idiots sat there crawling along in the other lanes with nothing in front of me for miles to slow me down.
If I’m sat in lane 1 with about 2ft 6 overhang each side, best of luck to you if you think you’re getting past. And no, I’m not even going to think about moving right when there’s trucks sat there, risking damage to my load. Things like that which could be there are why you don’t ‘tank down at the speed limit undertaking’
wide-load85:
Conor:
…leave me a lane that’s nice and empty that I can tank down at the speed limit undertaking all the idiots sat there crawling along in the other lanes with nothing in front of me for miles to slow me down.If I’m sat in lane 1 with about 2ft 6 overhang each side, best of luck to you if you think you’re getting past. And no, I’m not even going to think about moving right when there’s trucks sat there, risking damage to my load. Things like that which could be there are why you don’t ‘tank down at the speed limit undertaking’
Like I said, as a pro, you adapt and react,.
So if I see you straddling the lane of course I don’t pass.
Technically (and pedanticlly ) you ain’t ‘undertaking’ in a negative context either, if traffic is moving slower in queues it is perfectly acceptable (and legal) to pass on the left.
So can’t speak for Conor, but I’ll continue to ‘tank down’ the inside, maybe not on the speed limit,.and deffo not if I see you and your wide load.
Do you “have” to use the hard shoulder? Not at all, you don’t “have” to anything. I doubt I’m alone in this though; professionalism and common courtesy should see you not only using the hard shoulder when dictated but also a myriad of actions that will largely go unnoticed and unthanked but will give you a nice warm glow of moral superiority.
robroy:
wide-load85:
Conor:
…leave me a lane that’s nice and empty that I can tank down at the speed limit undertaking all the idiots sat there crawling along in the other lanes with nothing in front of me for miles to slow me down.If I’m sat in lane 1 with about 2ft 6 overhang each side, best of luck to you if you think you’re getting past. And no, I’m not even going to think about moving right when there’s trucks sat there, risking damage to my load. Things like that which could be there are why you don’t ‘tank down at the speed limit undertaking’
Like I said, as a pro, you adapt and react,.
So if I see you straddling the lane of course I don’t pass.Technically (and pedanticlly
So can’t speak for Conor, but I’ll continue to ‘tank down’ the inside, maybe not on the speed limit,.and deffo not if I see you and your wide load.
Agreed mate, it’s clear to see how you operate from your posts on here. Wish all drivers could be more like it tbh. Same with me, even though only been driving a few years. If you want to pass on the left and there’s only cars in my camera view, I’d happily drift over a bit to make it easier. Same as if I overtake in lane 2 when loaded, sit as far right as poss and i always thank drivers for edging left a bit and giving a bit more room.