One of the problems is that we all perceive things differently. Cavey has not been driving trucks for long and obviously wants to do things right and professionally and does not feel safe with this other driver because he drives in a different way to Cavey.
Does that make the other driver dangerous? Not necessarily but quite probable.
All these morons that we see driving like lunatics everyday perceive their driving to be fine because they drive like that everyday and nothing happens.(but it will)
Next time out on the road just look at the driver tailgating or traveling too close to the truck in front and I guarantee he will look completely relaxed (maybe not even paying attention) where as if a decent driver sat beside him he would be petrified.
These types of drivers should be caught and dealt with by the police but unfortunately the chances of that are slim so in my view if a driver is putting lives at risk…Shop them.
Janos:
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Leave the lad, alone he hasn’t caused any damage or worse. He gets the job done in his way, doesn’t plop about. So basically he’s getting on with it,Keep it lit.and crack on.
Mind your own bee’s wax.
Keep it lit…basically means keep it s*it.
When your tail gating, speeding or just generally driving a large vehicle like a thug just imagine if it was your wife and children in the car in front, or your parents.
I have always wondered how the meatheads who terrorise car drivers for some perceived slight would feel if they seen a workmate tailgating their wife and children, and then got told she was driving too slowly, or whatever else they are supposed to do. Is that okay then?
Am sure some people on here do very little driving in their own cars, so have no experience of what it is like to have a mirror full of truck virtually pushing them down the road. I do as many miles in my car as my truck, don’t hang about but stay legal, and what I see and experience is just appalling.
Keeping it lit doesnt mean driving dangerously. Flat to the mat doesnt mean driving dangerously either. I dont hang about>>>>… but NEVER push anyone along and apart from caravan season never terrorise anyone, if theres someone plobbing along i overtake them, simple, never dangerously though. All this needs to be taken into context before the judge and jury is out on a fellow driver…
AndrewG:
Janos:
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Leave the lad, alone he hasn’t caused any damage or worse. He gets the job done in his way, doesn’t plop about. So basically he’s getting on with it,Keep it lit.and crack on.
Mind your own bee’s wax.
Keep it lit…basically means keep it s*it.
When your tail gating, speeding or just generally driving a large vehicle like a thug just imagine if it was your wife and children in the car in front, or your parents.
I have always wondered how the meatheads who terrorise car drivers for some perceived slight would feel if they seen a workmate tailgating their wife and children, and then got told she was driving too slowly, or whatever else they are supposed to do. Is that okay then?
Am sure some people on here do very little driving in their own cars, so have no experience of what it is like to have a mirror full of truck virtually pushing them down the road. I do as many miles in my car as my truck, don’t hang about but stay legal, and what I see and experience is just appalling.Keeping it lit doesnt mean driving dangerously. Flat to the mat doesnt mean driving dangerously either. I dont hang about>>>>… but NEVER push anyone along and apart from caravan season never terrorise anyone, if theres someone plobbing along i overtake them, simple, never dangerously though. All this needs to be taken into context before the judge and jury is out on a fellow driver…
And I suppose Andrew G that is your opinion on yourself?
You have just admitted you tailgate caravans. Not the brightest thing to do is it? Can I ask when your driving was last checked by a professional or if it ever has been since you passed your test?
As has been said plenty of drivers who think they are good and safe but in reality they are not(tailgating makes you a dangerous driver and NOT a good driver) and unfortunately that is a true fact.(whether they have had accidents or not.)
Did I read this particular company have fitted driver facing cctv? If so, rather than worry about another driver I would concentrate on your own faults. After all the company will be watching YOU too.
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Gave the OP some stick but at the end of the day you have to do what you believe is the right thing to do.
If you had any balls though you would of told him to stop driving and had a word with him then and there. If he didn’t listen you could of just refused to be driven by him and phoned your boss. Instead you come on here asking what to do, hopefully the driver will be able to work out it was you; that grassed him up and warn other drivers.
I’ve not driven long but I’ve had words with guys when they are driving like numpties with me in the cab. Drive long enough and you will have a bad day for whatever reason and drive a bit rashly WE ALL DO IT. Doubt everyone will admit to it though.
Well I’ve got mixed feelings on this one.
Firstly I can’t stand those who go running to management at the drop of a hat, with tales like a kid running to the teacher, weasles the lot of them, and I hate grasses with a vengeance. 
On the other hand I hate those tossers who give me a bad name by association. The teararses, the tailgaters and those who can’t drive trucks properly because they think they are to be driven like a car.
I too had a similar dilemma (is it not dilemNa btw) last year after one of Stobart’s finest bullied my daughter who had just passed her test (I took that into account btw) by sat on her bumper, she panicked and nearly ditched the car by going too fast to turn right.
I broke the habit of a lifetime (through shear anger) by actually reporting someone 
…, which went against my principles big style.
I rang Stobarts, explained I wasn’t a truck hater,… but also stressed I did not want the driver to lose his job.
I reckon if this was at my depot I would deal with it like this.
Get him on his own, tell him he was a ■■■■ driver who was going to kill himself or someone else.
( Assuming he was, as I’m just taking the o/p’s version as gospel btw)
Tell him I was watching him, and if he didn’t sort himself I would go further with it…for his own good.
(Again if he was THAT bad I would not gaf what he thought of, or said to me, I reckon I could handle it.)
If nothing changed I would tell the guvnor, (who on the whole I can talk to ok) that off the record he should sort him, not sack him, but give the guy a chance to redeem himself.
I reckon that he would listen to me, as he knows full well I am neither a yes man, a grass, or a drama queen,.and would not bring it up if I did not feel the need to.
If all else fails, and he is beyond help…get rid, mud sticks and word gets around in transport.
Good post robroy and I get these same angry feelings when I see drivers intimidating other drivers.
Personally I would have no hesitation smacking any of them and may regret it afterwards for losing control but it really makes my blood boil.
Sitting there in there cabs playing the big hard man and intimidating innocent road users.
But when it comes to family or myself it all goes up a notch and I actually worry what I may do one day.
You certainly did the right thing regarding your daughter.
I just wish the police would deal with these brainless idiots more often.
A grass… is a grass… is a grass!
Why do you all believe that the OP is an advanced driving instructor and he is the judge of whether said driver is dangerous or not?
The mere fact that the OP is a grass tells me more about him than the other fellow, who has not been afforded the chance to defend himself.
The swear filter will not allow me to explain my true feelings towards the OP.
Grumpy_old_trucker:
A grass… is a grass… is a grass!
Why do you all believe that the OP is an advanced driving instructor and he is the judge of whether said driver is dangerous or not?
The mere fact that the OP is a grass tells me more about him than the other fellow, who has not been afforded the chance to defend himself.
The swear filter will not allow me to explain my true feelings towards the OP.
When you say ‘‘All’’ don’t include me btw as I did say that my opinion was based only if the o/p’s version was gospel, or words to that effect.
I also explained about my attititude to ‘grassing’ .
Now whether you consider me a grass or not after reading my last post mate, I really couldn’t give a flying ■■■■ tbh, I explained the circumstances of my own case, and I explained how and why, I would or would not, deal with the o/p’s scenario.
What I do know is IF the guy was genuinely as big a ■■■■ as a driver as the o/p said he was, sitting on his arse and just ignoring it was maybe was not the best option.
A lot of people are missing the point here. This person has already been talked to by his fellow drivers, he’s already been told to buck his ideas up and he hasn’t.
Dr Damon:
AndrewG:
Janos:
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Leave the lad, alone he hasn’t caused any damage or worse. He gets the job done in his way, doesn’t plop about. So basically he’s getting on with it,Keep it lit.and crack on.
Mind your own bee’s wax.
Keep it lit…basically means keep it s*it.
When your tail gating, speeding or just generally driving a large vehicle like a thug just imagine if it was your wife and children in the car in front, or your parents.
I have always wondered how the meatheads who terrorise car drivers for some perceived slight would feel if they seen a workmate tailgating their wife and children, and then got told she was driving too slowly, or whatever else they are supposed to do. Is that okay then?
Am sure some people on here do very little driving in their own cars, so have no experience of what it is like to have a mirror full of truck virtually pushing them down the road. I do as many miles in my car as my truck, don’t hang about but stay legal, and what I see and experience is just appalling.Keeping it lit doesnt mean driving dangerously. Flat to the mat doesnt mean driving dangerously either. I dont hang about>>>>… but NEVER push anyone along and apart from caravan season never terrorise anyone, if theres someone plobbing along i overtake them, simple, never dangerously though. All this needs to be taken into context before the judge and jury is out on a fellow driver…
And I suppose Andrew G that is your opinion on yourself?
You have just admitted you tailgate caravans. Not the brightest thing to do is it? Can I ask when your driving was last checked by a professional or if it ever has been since you passed your test?
As has been said plenty of drivers who think they are good and safe but in reality they are not(tailgating makes you a dangerous driver and NOT a good driver) and unfortunately that is a true fact.(whether they have had accidents or not.)
That IS my opinion of myself yes. I dont hang about but drive 100% safe 100% of the time, not having a road crash in 25 years says that. Re caravans, where exactly did i say i tailgate caravans? I tailgate nobody, i just overtake them. However most mobile toilet pullers dont expect to be overtaken by a 44tonner on an N road but 700horses pulling on the pin sees to that easily but…i always do it safely without danger to anyone, i cant help the lump of fibreglass being blown sideways on a windy day when i go past can i? And ref my driving,ive been doing this long enough to know whats safe and what isnt, i endanger no one on the roads…
Captain Caveman 76:
Would you report one of your fellow drivers to your company, even though it could end up getting him the sack?Got a lift off a colleague, and his driving was awful to the point of being dangerous, speeding and intimidating pedestrians. I nearly got out the cab when he stopped.
I think that is probably a good threshold. Was his driving so bad that, realistically, you wouldn’t get in the cab with him again?
People sometimes drive worse with other people in, especially if there’s a lot of chatter going on. And I’ve been in with drivers who drive like pillocks, where I’ve considered there is a remote possibility of them ending up in a ditch one day, but not so much a risk as to remark on it, let alone get out the cab.
I’d think long and hard about where this driver’s driving fell. There is driving which is bad form, and there is dangerous driving. Failing to anticipate ambulances, for example, is bad form.
But if other aspects were so outrageous that you wouldn’t hesitate to denounce him in front of your workmates and wouldn’t want to step foot in the cab again, then that seems like the time to take action.
I find this thread quite interesting. Car driver in lane 2 M6 roadworks 50 limit doing 42mph and ■■■■■■■ everyone off.
So what’s the correct course of action? Hang back, paid hourly etc,etc…zzz. Truth of the matter is that most of us have either flashed the 2at out of the way or tailgated the ■■■■ to make them ■■■■ off out of the way. Is this professional behaviour? No, is it ■■■■■■■■!
Anyone on here gone through a 7.5t restriction when they should not have? Yep, most of us have worn the t-shirt.
Speeding? Course we have all done it. Got in the wrong lane? Yes. Pulled out & got the timing wrong? Course we have. Jumped a red light? Well it was still yellow not red (yeah, course it was 
)
None of us drive well all the time, but the chap in question if I understand it correctly has CCTV fitted. I speak from experience when I say that members of the public WILL report him, so if his driving is crap, sooner or later it will catch up with him.
We are not the police. We are not TC’s, judges or neighbourhood watch. We have enough of our own problems as truckers being divided by w@nk employers without turning on each other. By and large I broadly agree with Cavey on most things, but I don’t on this one. Maybe Cavey is a nicer bloke than me (probably is because I prefer dogs to people), and it would bother him if this chap ends up hurting someone. As long as it’s not MY family I couldn’t give a toss.
You cannot control others…
eagerbeaver:
. As long as it’s not MY family I couldn’t give a toss.You cannot control others…
The right answer. If this particular driver does actually drive like a ■■■■ then so be it, far too many other important things in life to worry over…
Captain Caveman 76:
Would you report one of your fellow drivers to your company, even though it could end up getting him the sack?Got a lift off a colleague, and his driving was awful to the point of being dangerous, speeding and intimidating pedestrians. I nearly got out the cab when he stopped. He also blocked an ambulance running on a blue light, not sure if it was deliberate or he just didn’t foresee what was going to happen (I did).
I wasn’t sure if this display was for my benefit, young lad showing off, so I mentioned it to another colleague of mine who said that they’d took him to one side and had a quiet word in his ear after witnessing his bad driving.
I’ve also seen him stopped by the police on account of his bad driving. After that, he had the customary “driving assessment” which was fine.
Personally, I think I’d be doing everyone, including him, a favour by taking him out of the truck for a while.
Frankly, my mind is already made up, I was just wondering what other people would do.
Seriously■■?
WTF is this industry coming to when drivers will go crawling to the management when another doesn’t conform to his or her standards.
The guy has already passed an assessment, who are you to say what his driving standard is like, we might all ■■■■ ourselfs sitting next to you, do yourself a favour, wind your neck in, your sphincter muscles will love you for the release of pressure.
Blue light drivers are trained to get round obstacles safely, if you go through a red light to let one through it is you who could be facing points.
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That IS my opinion of myself yes. I dont hang about but drive 100% safe 100% of the time, not having a road crash in 25 years says that. Re caravans, where exactly did i say i tailgate caravans? I tailgate nobody, i just overtake them. However most mobile toilet pullers dont expect to be overtaken by a 44tonner on an N road but 700horses pulling on the pin sees to that easily but…i always do it safely without danger to anyone, i cant help the lump of fibreglass being blown sideways on a windy day when i go past can i? And ref my driving,ive been doing this long enough to know whats safe and what isnt, i endanger no one on the roads…
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but NEVER push anyone along and apart from caravan season never terrorise anyone
ok you say you never push anyone along but you also say you never terrorise anyone apart from the caravan season. Let me ask you how and why you do that?
Anyone that says they drive 100% safe all the time is completely deluded(even although you blow caravans sideways when you overtake) and as all of this (zb) is your own opinion I doubt very much what you say is true either.
Many drivers think they are top notch but usually they are amongst some of the worst on our roads. I have seen it first hand many times .And 25 years probably means you have been very lucky
after reading your (zb)
By the way you know all the truck drivers in truck heaven? They probably thought they were top notch as well.
I reckon Cavey would have been a great model child in Germany and would have been one of Hitlers youth scheme members. I hope this lad finds out who shopped him and he will do. Your name will be ■■■■ wherever you go after this act of good will. I know your manager will also think very little of you also. Your employed as a driver, so bloody look out for your own driving if you haven’t got the balls to sort this lad out yourself.
Some people have a moral conscience others do not.
Its OK to say it’s not my problem or any of my business.
It’s also OK to have a conscience and if you feel that should he kill or seriously hurt someone and you would not be able to live with the fact you could have stopped it from happening then that is your choice as much as doing nothing.
I have to agree though if you say something and he gets the sack it’s not just him it may affect. It may affect his family if he has one.
It’s a hard one to give advice as only you know what his driving was actually like. And only you know what kind of passenger you are.
We have had drivers mates that have refused to go out with some drivers due to the way they drive. A passenger has a right to not feel unsafe with a driver as much as the driver has the right to drive the way he sees fit. None of the we resulted in any of the drivers being sacked obviously questions would be asked though, and drivers mates who don’t drive were not always able to know what is and isn’t safe in a truck.
Actually one driver was let go as he was an agency driver, but he was driving tired, weaving all over the motorways from lane to lane and falling asleep at services and locking mates out of the cab that had gone to get food or a drink etc.
He was a liability waiting to happen.
But he was probably back to work within a few days working for someone else doing exactly the same again.
So on the flip side shopping him may lose him his job currently bit he could end up working elsewhere being the same.
Probably best to keep out if it if I’m honest and hope to God he doesn’t seriously hurt or kill anyone.
There are plenty of bad drivers out there that by luck thankfully don’t hurt or kill anyone.
It doesn’t sound like trying to help is going to get you anywhere with him from what you say.
That a my take on it anyway.
Dr Damon:
That IS my opinion of myself yes. I dont hang about but drive 100% safe 100% of the time, not having a road crash in 25 years says that. Re caravans, where exactly did i say i tailgate caravans? I tailgate nobody, i just overtake them. However most mobile toilet pullers dont expect to be overtaken by a 44tonner on an N road but 700horses pulling on the pin sees to that easily but…i always do it safely without danger to anyone, i cant help the lump of fibreglass being blown sideways on a windy day when i go past can i? And ref my driving,ive been doing this long enough to know whats safe and what isnt, i endanger no one on the roads…
but NEVER push anyone along and apart from caravan season never terrorise anyone
ok you say you never push anyone along but you also say you never terrorise anyone apart from the caravan season. Let me ask you how and why you do that?
Anyone that says they drive 100% safe all the time is completely deluded(even although you blow caravans sideways when you overtake) and as all of this (zb) is your own opinion I doubt very much what you say is true either.
Many drivers think they are top notch but usually they are amongst some of the worst on our roads. I have seen it first hand many times .And 25 years probably means you have been very lucky
after reading your (zb)
By the way you know all the truck drivers in truck heaven? They probably thought they were top notch as well.
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I really dont give a ■■■■ what you think or believe. I know my capabilities and re my comment on caravans, you didnt even read my reply did you You very obviously dont even drive a truck, what are you actually doing on this forum 