Franglais:
I said Cavey should have the confidence in his own judgment. I said it was a matter of judgment. I said I couldnt live with myself if I was in his position and did nowt, resulting in an accident. It is for him to make that JUDGMENT call. I am not saying he has any right more than any of us to be a judge. I know of no OBJECTIVE measure of driving to use therefore it must be a SUBJECTIVE or JUDGMENTAL call. I said in my first post it was a matter of degrees. Cavey isnt describing someone “a bit quick” it seems.
You talk about judgment, youve not seen this driver*, yet you seem to say Caveys judgment is poor or wrong.
*I assume.
No Franglais you are reading more into this than what I am saying, I will try to clarify this and bare with me as it may be a longish explanation. Cavey, mine or your judgement has little bearing on how qualified we are to make an assessment on this lads driving as that is only in Cavey’s or anyone else’s opinion. It is down to an assessor and the company themselves to make any judgement calls on his driving style. They have all the info they require from both downloads of his drivers card and the tacho info. This would highlight his driving skills of speeding, as for aggressive driving then that is down to the other lads to sort him out on that score. They may need to take him under their wings a bit more to bring him on or to calm him down. Talking to him the way they have tried has failed to bare any fruit so another angle is required by either a more stern or a less stern approach. Help him don’t dob him in. Show an interest in him rather than shunning him. Lots of ways to help him out rather than get him sacked. Also if Cavey does grass on him and gets him the sack, he won’t be too popular for that. I am sure the lad in question would respond to some other means as he has already passed his test and an assessment drive. So there are some who have more faith in him.
RED Cavey has to live with the consequences of his actions OR his inactions. HIS call. A hard call, but he has ONLY his judgment to go on. He isnt asking about shooting this guy, its about flagging dangers. He won`t be sacked just on a report from a driver now will he?
BLUE…
ORANGE Are you calling for faith in a stranger who has already ignored warnings from workmates and police?
YELLOW Well you would be yellow if the risk of name calling made you go against your own conscience.
And its now past my bed time. Im a clean living young country lad so a civil good night to you, sir.
Janos:
You are doing the right thing. Hopefully saving mateyboy from himself and some poor innocent soul in the near future who has the misfortune to meet him at the wrong time and place. However, I am also considering reporting you to the grammar and spelling police, which puts me in a dilemma.
Your making him sound like he is a saint or something. Saving himself or some poor innocent soul. No he isn’t doing that at all, he is getting the poor lad sacked who will then simply get another job and drive the same way more than likely, until finally someone helps him out with his problem if he even has one!
If I was in the same position, I would report him, no problem. I would also tell him I had reported him. Far too many loons in this job. Some people are just not cut out for it, but these rogue drivers are a curse on the industry. How will standards ever rise if you condone behaviour that warrants a police warning?
The reason this industry is in such a sorry state is because of [zb] like you. If drivers stuck together a bit more and unionized standards would increase tenfold. Management plays people like a violin, give someone a shiny truck and just watch them all squabble or better yet give people bonuses for grassing up other drivers.
I have more or less always worked for myself, so I don’t have to align myself with berks like you, and the guy the OP reported.
We are ignoring the fact that this guy has already been stopped by the police and that didn’t seem to work. Whilst I like many others on here don’t like grasses there are some situations where management needs to be made aware of what they have at the wheel of one of their vehicles! We share the roads with the general public who seem to be two sandwiches short of a picnic, we don’t need crazy nutters who can’t drive an HGV bringing us all down.
Radar19:
We are ignoring the fact that this guy has already been stopped by the police and that didn’t seem to work. Whilst I like many others on here don’t like grasses there are some situations where management needs to be made aware of what they have at the wheel of one of their vehicles! We share the roads with the general public who seem to be two sandwiches short of a picnic, we don’t need crazy nutters who can’t drive an HGV bringing us all down.
Using that logic I should get my dash cam footage out and spend days going through it creating a separate file for each bad driver and sending it to the police.
Also we are just taking the OP word on this. I’ve been driven by other truck drivers that have driven far longer then me without incident and I’ve found their driving scary at times. When your in the passenger side though it often looks worse then what it really is. It doesn’t help that your a professional driver so you pick up on any tiny mistake that you probably do yourself on a daily basis.
Just hope there is not someone there to grass you up when you eventually ■■■■ up.
Well here is a little refrigeration tale for you, I was a young engineer at the time this happened, a little wild and carefree. The firm was a large refrigeration company. There was an engineer who was a right snitching ■■■■■ we used to smoke in the plant rooms and all over the site outside as it was a no smoking site. Anyway this snitch used to hide around corners and report anyone he found smoking, all off his own back as he had no authority over any of us. he got a fair few sacked because they were serial offenders, one day we all had to go to the office for a meeting and the firm made a shock announcement that they had to make some cutbacks, redundancies were announced. This snitch was on the redundancy list and we all smiled, I went up to him and he said “can you believe it”, I said no and especially that you are on the list after all you have done for the company. He gave me a look that he knew I was of course taking the ■■■■ out of him. Any way the point is that he got made redundant over a few of us, we all kept our jobs but he went, we gave him a good send off too, but that’s another story, the management told us that he got made redundant instead of us was because he was basically a grass and an unpopular character. So the moral is, don’t grass your mates as even the management will also dislike you for it.
Whats with this ‘grass’ term being bandied about? Its like reading a thread from Walton Prison. The OP went out of his way to say the driver was consistently out of order.
Janos:
Whats with this ‘grass’ term being bandied about? Its like reading a thread from Walton Prison. The OP went out of his way to say the driver was consistently out of order.
In his opinion only, not in the opinion of his employer or in the opinion of his assessor or in fact the opinion of the driving examiner. So you really have to question who is this lad actually upsetting? Has he smashed his truck up or injured anyone? Are these just assumptions that he might do so lets get him hung just in case.
Radar19:
We are ignoring the fact that this guy has already been stopped by the police and that didn’t seem to work. Whilst I like many others on here don’t like grasses there are some situations where management needs to be made aware of what they have at the wheel of one of their vehicles! We share the roads with the general public who seem to be two sandwiches short of a picnic, we don’t need crazy nutters who can’t drive an HGV bringing us all down.
Using that logic I should get my dash cam footage out and spend days going through it creating a separate file for each bad driver and sending it to the police.
Also we are just taking the OP word on this. I’ve been driven by other truck drivers that have driven far longer then me without incident and I’ve found their driving scary at times. When your in the passenger side though it often looks worse then what it really is. It doesn’t help that your a professional driver so you pick up on any tiny mistake that you probably do yourself on a daily basis.
Just hope there is not someone there to grass you up when you eventually [zb] up.
Thats not what I said. if we’re taking the OP’s word for it, he’s already been “spoken to” by his fellow drivers and still carried on. He’s been stopped and cautioned the plod and has still carried on. That there shows complete disregard for you, me and everyone else that uses the roads. I think the OP is right to be worried about being tarred with the same brush, hell, how many times on this very site have we here bemoaned the fact that we’re all tarred by the same brush thanks to morons who treat trucks like giant cars, having sloppy hygiene standards, poor road skills resulting in avoidable accidents etc.
If this was the drivers first offense then running to management is not the right course of action but it seems that he has ignored any and all advice from both his fellow drivers and the police. The OP does state that he passed the reassessment so he can drive properly, he just chooses not too.
Radar19:
If this was the drivers first offense then running to management is not the right course of action but it seems that he has ignored any and all advice from both his fellow drivers and the police. The OP does state that he passed the reassessment so he can drive properly, he just chooses not too.
Police and Assessor and Management all seem to have deemed him good enough to continue driving; maybe OP is better then all of them though. More likely he is just a better driver then the OP who probably feels the need to creep round every slight bend at 2mph.
Radar19:
Thats not what I said. if we’re taking the OP’s word for it, he’s already been “spoken to” by his fellow drivers and still carried on. He’s been stopped and cautioned the plod and has still carried on. That there shows complete disregard for you, me and everyone else that uses the roads. I think the OP is right to be worried about being tarred with the same brush, hell, how many times on this very site have we here bemoaned the fact that we’re all tarred by the same brush thanks to morons who treat trucks like giant cars, having sloppy hygiene standards, poor road skills resulting in avoidable accidents etc.
If this was the drivers first offense then running to management is not the right course of action but it seems that he has ignored any and all advice from both his fellow drivers and the police. The OP does state that he passed the reassessment so he can drive properly, he just chooses not too.
Well he may have been spoken to by his fellow drivers, that doesn’t say a lot for them then does it. What have they said to him? I would tell my fellow drivers were to go too if they commented that they thought my driving was bad. Leave it to his firm to deal with it. Bloody drama queens acting like they somehow need to take it on themselves to get this ■■■■■■ off the road, how many others do they feel they need to get off the road too. All assuming the worse will happen if they don’t act.
Radar19:
Thats not what I said. if we’re taking the OP’s word for it, he’s already been “spoken to” by his fellow drivers and still carried on. He’s been stopped and cautioned the plod and has still carried on. That there shows complete disregard for you, me and everyone else that uses the roads. I think the OP is right to be worried about being tarred with the same brush, hell, how many times on this very site have we here bemoaned the fact that we’re all tarred by the same brush thanks to morons who treat trucks like giant cars, having sloppy hygiene standards, poor road skills resulting in avoidable accidents etc.
If this was the drivers first offense then running to management is not the right course of action but it seems that he has ignored any and all advice from both his fellow drivers and the police. The OP does state that he passed the reassessment so he can drive properly, he just chooses not too.
Well he may have been spoken to by his fellow drivers, that doesn’t say a lot for them then does it. What have they said to him? I would tell my fellow drivers were to go too if they commented that they thought my driving was bad. Leave it to his firm to deal with it. Bloody drama queens acting like they somehow need to take it on themselves to get this ■■■■■■ off the road, how many others do they feel they need to get off the road too. All assuming the worse will happen if they don’t act.
Perhaps this is the root of the problem. One person has interpreted the job in his own way, one which the police do not agree with, his company does not agree with, and his fellow drivers are not happy about, but they are all told where to go. Not hard to see where the real problem lies.
Well, I’m a little surprised by some of the responses on here. We all know this industry is infested with idiots who hold a license, however, I’m surprised that so many are happy to accept them. I shouldn’t be though. It’s the standard truckers response, whinge and whine in the yard (or internet), but do nothing about it.
Rest assured, I will be reporting it to my office on Monday where I will advise them to watch the dashcam footage themselves. That way, they can make their own minds up.
I’d be wanting to take the guy to one side and tell him he needs to either change his ways or find another career choice before I take it to higher authority, before he wreaks disaster on the roads. Because this guy sounds like driving isn’t for him.
UKtramp:
Well he may have been spoken to by his fellow drivers, that doesn’t say a lot for them then does it. What have they said to him? I would tell my fellow drivers were to go too if they commented that they thought my driving was bad. Leave it to his firm to deal with it. Bloody drama queens acting like they somehow need to take it on themselves to get this ■■■■■■ off the road, how many others do they feel they need to get off the road too. All assuming the worse will happen if they don’t act.
And having heard your continuous bollox I would ignore you too.
Cavey, its simple enough. Would you be happy driving your car or walking along a street with this bloke driving a lorry on it? If yes, do nothing, if not then you have a duty to report.
There are several options though, you could go to the boss, you could go to the police again or you could write an anonymous letter to the traffic commissioner. The TC has the power to revoke vocational entitlements so you can at least get him out of a truck.
As many have said, its about being able to live with yourself.
UKtramp, lets put this in a way that you would understand. You have gone out with a colleague to fix a cold store’s walk-in fridge. The colleague you are working with is cutting corners left right and centre and doing a boarderline dangerous job, but you don’t want to be a grass so you don’t say anything. A couple of weeks later you find out that he went out on a job, cut all his corners and didn’t tighten some pipes up, a couple of days later the site manager goes into the plant room to check as his fridges are not holding temp and before he realises whats happening, is asphyxiated by escaped refrigerant gasses. How do you sleep at night?
Now put yourself in Cavey’s shoes. If my little hypothetical had come true you would be partly responsible for the death of one man. If Cavey’s worst nightmares here come true he could be partly responsible for the death of 52 school kids on a double decker.
Stop being a drama queen, you are not here to save the world, He hasn’t caused any accidents or indeed had one. He is driving not to the liking of Cavey. Using a ridiculous over dramatic scenario of how would you feel if he killed a load of kids is just as I say, a drama queen. He hasn’t though has he. As I say if the lads was to educate him themselves rather than run crying to the management that they think he is a bad driver, that is typical of todays drivers. You are employed to drive, your not employed as a super hero. Sort him out yourselves you lazy gets.
Captain Caveman 76:
Would you report one of your fellow drivers to your company, even though it could end up getting him the sack?
Got a lift off a colleague, and his driving was awful to the point of being dangerous, speeding and intimidating pedestrians. I nearly got out the cab when he stopped. He also blocked an ambulance running on a blue light, not sure if it was deliberate or he just didn’t foresee what was going to happen (I did).
I wasn’t sure if this display was for my benefit, young lad showing off, so I mentioned it to another colleague of mine who said that they’d took him to one side and had a quiet word in his ear after witnessing his bad driving.
I’ve also seen him stopped by the police on account of his bad driving. After that, he had the customary “driving assessment” which was fine.
Personally, I think I’d be doing everyone, including him, a favour by taking him out of the truck for a while.
Frankly, my mind is already made up, I was just wondering what other people would do.
Ask yourself this, if he killed a person. And you knew his driving was dangerous could you live with??
Seems, he has an issue driving , personally you need to report this if he gets the sack so be it. Or if he killed someone live with the guilt knowing you could of spoken up.
I appreciate it could be hard, you will be called a grass etc. but do the right thing and inform management.
biggriffin:
Leave the lad, alone he hasn’t caused any damage or worse. He gets the job done in his way, doesn’t plop about. So basically he’s getting on with it,
Keep it lit.and crack on.
Mind your own bee’s wax.
Keep it lit…basically means keep it s*it.
When your tail gating, speeding or just generally driving a large vehicle like a thug just imagine if it was your wife and children in the car in front, or your parents.
I have always wondered how the meatheads who terrorise car drivers for some perceived slight would feel if they seen a workmate tailgating their wife and children, and then got told she was driving too slowly, or whatever else they are supposed to do. Is that okay then?
Am sure some people on here do very little driving in their own cars, so have no experience of what it is like to have a mirror full of truck virtually pushing them down the road. I do as many miles in my car as my truck, don’t hang about but stay legal, and what I see and experience is just appalling.
