Franglais:
And how will turning a blind eye to his bad driving “sort him out”?
I didn’t say turn a blind eye now did I ?
True enough. You suggested grabbing him by the throat (poetic licence?) and having a word with him, and going out with him. If he has already had an assessment by the company, been stopped by the police for bad driving, what will your approach really offer? Maybe losing his job will wake this idiot up? It seems nothing else has yet.
Mind you, the threat of you asking me out would prevent me from driving at all …
Franglais:
And how will turning a blind eye to his bad driving “sort him out”?
I didn’t say turn a blind eye now did I ?
True enough. You suggested grabbing him by the throat (poetic licence?) and having a word with him, and going out with him. If he has already had an assessment by the company, been stopped by the police for bad driving, what will your approach really offer? Maybe losing his job will wake this idiot up? It seems nothing else has yet.
Mind you, the threat of you asking me out would prevent me from driving at all …
Don’t be like that Franglais, you could learn a lot from a driver such as myself. Even if it was only how to use a satnav correctly
Captain Caveman 76:
Would you report one of your fellow drivers to your company, even though it could end up getting him the sack?
Got a lift off a colleague, and his driving was awful to the point of being dangerous, speeding and intimidating pedestrians. I nearly got out the cab when he stopped. He also blocked an ambulance running on a blue light, not sure if it was deliberate or he just didn’t foresee what was going to happen (I did).
I wasn’t sure if this display was for my benefit, young lad showing off, so I mentioned it to another colleague of mine who said that they’d took him to one side and had a quiet word in his ear after witnessing his bad driving.
I’ve also seen him stopped by the police on account of his bad driving. After that, he had the customary “driving assessment” which was fine.
Personally, I think I’d be doing everyone, including him, a favour by taking him out of the truck for a while.
Frankly, my mind is already made up, I was just wondering what other people would do.
AndrewG:
Everyone of our companies drivers has years of euro driving experience and no one is taken on without at least 10 years proven record however, most drive flat to the mat as its pay per load (a lot more gets done this way) and none want to hang about. Does it make them dangerous? Ofcourse not. Unless this guy is driving on the pavement at pedestrians/ taking out cyclists and generally giving the V to any road sign i’d personally just leave him to it. Everyone has different styles of driving, like DNA, no one is the same and what may appear dangerous to a nervous passenger doesnt always equate to actually being dangerous…
Cavey is describing a “young lad” quote. Not some one with a proven track record. He isnt, it seems, talking about running quickly and safely on an open road. He is, taking him at his word, describing someone who cant read the road (blocking a blue lighter) and has already attracted the attention of the plod. (and that aint easy nowadays it seems). We talk about unaware pedestrians looking at their phones, yes? well this guy seems to be bad enough to wake em up! It isnt a description of someone who knows his trade and is making progress, is it? Its a question of degree and of judgment.
Taking Cavey at his word I`d say, yes, have the confidence in your own judgment of his driving.
Franglais:
And how will turning a blind eye to his bad driving “sort him out”?
I didn’t say turn a blind eye now did I ?
True enough. You suggested grabbing him by the throat (poetic licence?) and having a word with him, and going out with him. If he has already had an assessment by the company, been stopped by the police for bad driving, what will your approach really offer? Maybe losing his job will wake this idiot up? It seems nothing else has yet.
Mind you, the threat of you asking me out would prevent me from driving at all …
Don’t be like that Franglais, you could learn a lot from a driver such as myself. Even if it was only how to use a satnav correctly
Maybe Chloe could also teach me some things?
I think that boring old me will rest content in my ignorance…
Franglais:
Cavey is describing a “young lad” quote. Not some one with a proven track record. He isnt, it seems, talking about running quickly and safely on an open road. He is, taking him at his word, describing someone who cant read the road (blocking a blue lighter) and has already attracted the attention of the plod. (and that aint easy nowadays it seems). We talk about unaware pedestrians looking at their phones, yes? well this guy seems to be bad enough to wake em up! It isnt a description of someone who knows his trade and is making progress, is it? Its a question of degree and of judgment.
Taking Cavey at his word I`d say, yes, have the confidence in your own judgment of his driving.
And what gives Cavey the right to judge his driving? No offence to cavey but he hasn’t been driving that long himself. This lad if he is a bit of a ■■■■ driver needs teaching how to drive more courteously, he can obviously drive as he has passed an assessment at the firm. His driving has attracted the attention of the police in his car not in a truck. I too have attracted the police attention just recently in my car, if he is driving a bit quick then someone needs to tell him or show him how to drive. If no one takes him under their wing then he will continue to drive in an aggressive or in a bad way. I have taught many apprentices and turned them around, I have also helped newer drivers to perfect their reversing. Better than running off and snitching on him.
AndrewG:
Everyone of our companies drivers has years of euro driving experience and no one is taken on without at least 10 years proven record however, most drive flat to the mat as its pay per load (a lot more gets done this way) and none want to hang about. Does it make them dangerous? Ofcourse not. Unless this guy is driving on the pavement at pedestrians/ taking out cyclists and generally giving the V to any road sign i’d personally just leave him to it. Everyone has different styles of driving, like DNA, no one is the same and what may appear dangerous to a nervous passenger doesnt always equate to actually being dangerous…
Never heard of companies wanting 10 years of experience?
Experienced drivers are not always very good especially if they are driving as you say.
Franglais:
Cavey is describing a “young lad” quote. Not some one with a proven track record. He isnt, it seems, talking about running quickly and safely on an open road. He is, taking him at his word, describing someone who cant read the road (blocking a blue lighter) and has already attracted the attention of the plod. (and that aint easy nowadays it seems). We talk about unaware pedestrians looking at their phones, yes? well this guy seems to be bad enough to wake em up! It isnt a description of someone who knows his trade and is making progress, is it? Its a question of degree and of judgment.
Taking Cavey at his word I`d say, yes, have the confidence in your own judgment of his driving.
And what gives Cavey the right to judge his driving? No offence to cavey but he hasn’t been driving that long himself. This lad if he is a bit of a [zb] driver needs teaching how to drive more courteously, he can obviously drive as he has passed an assessment at the firm. His driving has attracted the attention of the police in his car not in a truck. I too have attracted the police attention just recently in my car, if he is driving a bit quick then someone needs to tell him or show him how to drive. If no one takes him under their wing then he will continue to drive in an aggressive or in a bad way. I have taught many apprentices and turned them around, I have also helped newer drivers to perfect their reversing. Better than running off and snitching on him.
I said Cavey should have the confidence in his own judgment. I said it was a matter of judgment. I said I couldnt live with myself if I was in his position and did nowt, resulting in an accident. It is for him to make that JUDGMENT call. I am not saying he has any right more than any of us to be a judge. I know of no OBJECTIVE measure of driving to use therefore it must be a SUBJECTIVE or JUDGMENTAL call. I said in my first post it was a matter of degrees. Cavey isnt describing someone “a bit quick” it seems.
You talk about judgment, youve not seen this driver*, yet you seem to say Caveys judgment is poor or wrong.
Franglais:
I said Cavey should have the confidence in his own judgment. I said it was a matter of judgment. I said I couldnt live with myself if I was in his position and did nowt, resulting in an accident. It is for him to make that JUDGMENT call. I am not saying he has any right more than any of us to be a judge. I know of no OBJECTIVE measure of driving to use therefore it must be a SUBJECTIVE or JUDGMENTAL call. I said in my first post it was a matter of degrees. Cavey isnt describing someone “a bit quick” it seems.
You talk about judgment, youve not seen this driver*, yet you seem to say Caveys judgment is poor or wrong.
*I assume.
No Franglais you are reading more into this than what I am saying, I will try to clarify this and bare with me as it may be a longish explanation. Cavey, mine or your judgement has little bearing on how qualified we are to make an assessment on this lads driving as that is only in Cavey’s or anyone else’s opinion. It is down to an assessor and the company themselves to make any judgement calls on his driving style. They have all the info they require from both downloads of his drivers card and the tacho info. This would highlight his driving skills of speeding, as for aggressive driving then that is down to the other lads to sort him out on that score. They may need to take him under their wings a bit more to bring him on or to calm him down. Talking to him the way they have tried has failed to bare any fruit so another angle is required by either a more stern or a less stern approach. Help him don’t dob him in. Show an interest in him rather than shunning him. Lots of ways to help him out rather than get him sacked. Also if Cavey does grass on him and gets him the sack, he won’t be too popular for that. I am sure the lad in question would respond to some other means as he has already passed his test and an assessment drive. So there are some who have more faith in him.
Captain Caveman 76:
Would you report one of your fellow drivers to your company, even though it could end up getting him the sack?
Got a lift off a colleague, and his driving was awful to the point of being dangerous, speeding and intimidating pedestrians. I nearly got out the cab when he stopped. He also blocked an ambulance running on a blue light, not sure if it was deliberate or he just didn’t foresee what was going to happen (I did).
I wasn’t sure if this display was for my benefit, young lad showing off, so I mentioned it to another colleague of mine who said that they’d took him to one side and had a quiet word in his ear after witnessing his bad driving.
I’ve also seen him stopped by the police on account of his bad driving. After that, he had the customary “driving assessment” which was fine.
Personally, I think I’d be doing everyone, including him, a favour by taking him out of the truck for a while.
Frankly, my mind is already made up, I was just wondering what other people would do.
You are doing the right thing. Hopefully saving mateyboy from himself and some poor innocent soul in the near future who has the misfortune to meet him at the wrong time and place. However, I am also considering reporting you to the grammar and spelling police, which puts me in a dilemma.
Janos:
You are doing the right thing. Hopefully saving mateyboy from himself and some poor innocent soul in the near future who has the misfortune to meet him at the wrong time and place. However, I am also considering reporting you to the grammar and spelling police, which puts me in a dilemma.
Your making him sound like he is a saint or something. Saving himself or some poor innocent soul. No he isn’t doing that at all, he is getting the poor lad sacked who will then simply get another job and drive the same way more than likely, until finally someone helps him out with his problem if he even has one!
AndrewG:
Everyone of our companies drivers has years of euro driving experience and no one is taken on without at least 10 years proven record however, most drive flat to the mat as its pay per load (a lot more gets done this way) and none want to hang about. Does it make them dangerous? Ofcourse not. Unless this guy is driving on the pavement at pedestrians/ taking out cyclists and generally giving the V to any road sign i’d personally just leave him to it. Everyone has different styles of driving, like DNA, no one is the same and what may appear dangerous to a nervous passenger doesnt always equate to actually being dangerous…
Never heard of companies wanting 10 years of experience?
Experienced drivers are not always very good especially if they are driving as you say.
Complacency is a dangerous element.
It might not be usual but its a requirement at my place and that included me an an owner driver. Not hanging around doesnt mean a driver is complacent. All top spec and blinged to the nines FH13’s and Scania R620’s which come with a monthly bonus for no damage, its in every drivers interest to keep them that way…
I would have a quiet word with him, and having done that I would consider my moral obligations to be complete. I wouldn’t report him to management any more than I would report somebody to management because I knew they smoked a spliff on their day off.
If I wanted to be the Police, then I would have joined the Police.
Agreed, why I cant hack a office job too much backstabbing and grassing up. I haven’t grassed anyone up and I don’t plan on starting.
Janos:
You are doing the right thing. Hopefully saving mateyboy from himself and some poor innocent soul in the near future who has the misfortune to meet him at the wrong time and place. However, I am also considering reporting you to the grammar and spelling police, which puts me in a dilemma.
Your making him sound like he is a saint or something. Saving himself or some poor innocent soul. No he isn’t doing that at all, he is getting the poor lad sacked who will then simply get another job and drive the same way more than likely, until finally someone helps him out with his problem if he even has one!
If I was in the same position, I would report him, no problem. I would also tell him I had reported him. Far too many loons in this job. Some people are just not cut out for it, but these rogue drivers are a curse on the industry. How will standards ever rise if you condone behaviour that warrants a police warning?
Janos:
You are doing the right thing. Hopefully saving mateyboy from himself and some poor innocent soul in the near future who has the misfortune to meet him at the wrong time and place. However, I am also considering reporting you to the grammar and spelling police, which puts me in a dilemma.
Your making him sound like he is a saint or something. Saving himself or some poor innocent soul. No he isn’t doing that at all, he is getting the poor lad sacked who will then simply get another job and drive the same way more than likely, until finally someone helps him out with his problem if he even has one!
If I was in the same position, I would report him, no problem. I would also tell him I had reported him. Far too many loons in this job. Some people are just not cut out for it, but these rogue drivers are a curse on the industry. How will standards ever rise if you condone behaviour that warrants a police warning?
The reason this industry is in such a sorry state is because of ■■■■■■■■■ like you. If drivers stuck together a bit more and unionized standards would increase tenfold. Management plays people like a violin, give someone a shiny truck and just watch them all squabble or better yet give people bonuses for grassing up other drivers.
Janos:
You are doing the right thing. Hopefully saving mateyboy from himself and some poor innocent soul in the near future who has the misfortune to meet him at the wrong time and place. However, I am also considering reporting you to the grammar and spelling police, which puts me in a dilemma.
Your making him sound like he is a saint or something. Saving himself or some poor innocent soul. No he isn’t doing that at all, he is getting the poor lad sacked who will then simply get another job and drive the same way more than likely, until finally someone helps him out with his problem if he even has one!
If I was in the same position, I would report him, no problem. I would also tell him I had reported him. Far too many loons in this job. Some people are just not cut out for it, but these rogue drivers are a curse on the industry. How will standards ever rise if you condone behaviour that warrants a police warning?
WOW a police warning, that is serious stuff!!! Next time if he doesn’t watch himself, he might get a speeding ticket. FFS a police warning and everyone is up in arms OMG get him off the road he might kill someone. Look at the majority of tipper drivers flying past at full load, lets have those grassed up, ring their office and see what they say. We cannot have drivers just upsetting me, I must report everyone I consider a threat. My opinion counts, I am in a much better position than my employer to grass these ■■■■■■■■■ up.
if he constantly flys about flat to the mat and dont come in with anything wrecked,then he must be doing a good productive days work,and relistically be a top notch driver.if he wasnt,then he would have taken the sides out of the truck by now…the guy deserves a bonus,not being the victim of a tout.
