I voted no to both. I don’t believe politicians are built to keep changing their minds on policy, especially when the industry in question has no teeth to bite them with.
As the information being passed over, I won’t call it being taught, then , as others have pointed out, it should all be known by anyone going out on the road before they leave the yard. Some of the things I’ve read on other threads lead me to believe the information given is not 100% correct anyway rendering the whole thing useless.
I don’t think anyone in their right mind would want to take the same module 5 times, the point is you can do that if you wish and still hold the certificate, shows how pointless the thing is.
In the Army they would describe an expert as:
An ex is a has been and a spurt is a drip under pressure.
A question I have not found the answer to regarding the DCPC. Is it up to the driver to have it before the required date or is it the companies responsibility to check the driver has it after the date? I only ask as I will not be doing it and want to know if I will be asked to finish work or can I keep driving and take the penalties when/if caught without it.
Happy Keith:
Harry Monk:
‘… guys who have to take it on Saturdays are enormously resentful about having to be there…’I counts as work too - so I’m sure we trust it’s not in their 24/45, etc
poppiesfan:
‘…the govmnt will do exactly what they want and when they want…’Not strictly true anymore because - especially due to the Lisbon Treaty - they have to do what the EU in Brussels says by when the EU in Brussels says it’s due to be done by.
Don’t be under allusion that the MP you voted for doesn’t know this whilst they want you to think that they have the ‘power’, guille, ability, etc, to properly lead this once proud nation: They don’t
Not necessarily, it all depends on being voluntary or paid duty time!
A driver can organise his own training without it affecting his rest period.
If an employer organises non-compulsory training for drivers which takes place at weekends and where attendance is unpaid, it does not count as working time.
Slackbladder:
A question I have not found the answer to regarding the DCPC. Is it up to the driver to have it before the required date or is it the companies responsibility to check the driver has it after the date? I only ask as I will not be doing it and want to know if I will be asked to finish work or can I keep driving and take the penalties when/if caught without it.
The offence is failing to carry proof of holding DCPC - see regulation 11 of The Vehicle Drivers (Certificates of Professional Competence) Regulations 2007 (SI 2007/605). In other words, the responsibility is the driver’s.
However, there are likely to be consequences for any company knowingly employing drivers who do not hold DCPC.
A conviction for aiding or abetting driving without carrying proof of DCPC is not possible, as driving without DCPC is a summary only offence, and “aiding or abetting” only applies to indictable offences (section 8 Accessories and Abettors Act 1861).
Even though the company would not commit a criminal offence, VOSA would be likely to take interest in the operator’s licence of any company who employs drivers without DCPC. I haven’t checked whether the power exists, but I wouldn’t be surprised if VOSA will prohibit vehicles being driven by drivers who do not have DCPC until a qualified driver is available.
It is also possible that insurers will reduce cover to the Road Traffic Act minimum (i.e. third party only) if a driver does not have DCPC, as a driver without the relevant category of DCPC is not legally entitled to drive LGVs or PCVs commercially.
In practice, as September 2014 approaches, I would expect employers and agencies to check DCPC status when they check licenses, and refuse anyone who does not hold DCPC. Diligent employers and agencies should already be checking, as it has been an offence since September 2009 to drive any goods vehicle over 3.5t MAM without LGV DCPC or ‘acquired rights’.
‘Acquired rights’ are evidenced by a start date for C1 or C entitlement before 10 September 2009 on the back of the licence photocard or any paper licence conferring such entitlement. Drivers who do not have ‘acquired rights’ must have a Driver Qualification Card showing LGV DCPC, an in date ‘95’ code against the relevant category on their driving licence (which some EU countries use instead of issuing a separate DQC) or, in the case of non-UK licence holders, other proof of holding DCPC.
The Regulations do not require those driving on ‘acquired rights’ to carry their DQC or licence. Those driving an LGV commercially other than on ‘acquired rights’ must carry proof of DCPC, otherwise they commit an offence - this applies now to those who have had to pass Modules 2 and 4. Only one exemption is granted from the requirement to carry proof - when you have applied for a DQC but have not yet received it.
I expect VOSA and the police will increasingly be checking drivers’ DCPC status as 2014 approaches, especially as a much smaller proportion of those passing an LGV test are going on to pass Modules 2 and 4 than is expected. Even allowing for the proportion of LGV tests that are a “+E” upgrade, those not intending to use their LGV entitlement commercially and those who have ‘acquired rights’ because they had C1 from a pre-1997 UK car test, it is likely that a sizeable proportion of successful post-September 2009 LGV test candidates are illegally driving LGVs commercially without DCPC.
Wheel Nut:
Happy Keith:
Harry Monk:
‘… guys who have to take it on Saturdays are enormously resentful about having to be there…’I counts as work too - so I’m sure we trust it’s not in their 24/45, etc
poppiesfan:
‘…the govmnt will do exactly what they want and when they want…’‘…Not strictly true anymore because - especially due to the Lisbon Treaty - they have to do what the EU in Brussels says by when the EU in Brussels says it’s due to be done by … Don’t be under allusion that the MP you voted for doesn’t know this whilst they want you to think that they have the ‘power’, guille, ability, etc, to properly lead this once proud nation: They don’t…’
‘…Not necessarily, it all depends on being voluntary or paid duty time!..’
I agree, and hence my caveat ‘…we trust it’s not in their 24/45, etc…’
There is room for training for new and experinced drivers alike. The questions asked on here and there contrasting answers given prove this but i cant see how sitting in a classroom on a course you cant fail will change this.
what a lof CRAP it should of never been brought in its one reason i gave up driveing after 20 years or so haveing some numpty telling me how too drive when they havent got a clue about the paper work involved to even get a load to somewhere they have never heard of etc etc WHEN ARE UK DRIVERS GOING TO WAKE UP 
shirly temple:
‘…it should of never been brought in … WHEN ARE UK DRIVERS GOING TO WAKE UP…’
I’m awake, matey 
Maybe focus your irritation upon those who territorially or blindly stick with the Lib/Lab/Con misery-go-round conspiracy as being total roll-over (or plain lazy?) pacifists being sold the EU’s diktats that are crippling our hitherto cultural, employment & social success 
Happy Keith:
Wheel Nut:
Happy Keith:
Harry Monk:
‘… guys who have to take it on Saturdays are enormously resentful about having to be there…’I counts as work too - so I’m sure we trust it’s not in their 24/45, etc
poppiesfan:
‘…the govmnt will do exactly what they want and when they want…’‘…Not strictly true anymore because - especially due to the Lisbon Treaty - they have to do what the EU in Brussels says by when the EU in Brussels says it’s due to be done by … Don’t be under allusion that the MP you voted for doesn’t know this whilst they want you to think that they have the ‘power’, guille, ability, etc, to properly lead this once proud nation: They don’t…’
‘…Not necessarily, it all depends on being voluntary or paid duty time!..’
I agree, and hence my caveat ‘…we trust it’s not in their 24/45, etc…’
I am not sure if I prefer your normal rambling or your street talk.
I counts as work too -so I’m sure we trust it’s not in their 24/45, etc innit gangsta?
Happy Keith:
poppiesfan:
‘… whether its our govt or the EU, or whoever they will do what they want. I do not trust any gov’nt or mp’s anymore…’Flippin’ heck, mate, don’t do it - sounds like you’re about to connect the hose up to the exhaust
not that bad mate im just so against these people at the moment as they have got away with so much and we end up paying for it
Wheel Nut:
‘…I am not sure if I prefer your normal rambling or your street talk…’
Are you perhaps flattering yourself with such sniping
Happy Keith:
Wheel Nut:
‘…I am not sure if I prefer your normal rambling or your street talk…’Are you perhaps flattering yourself with such sniping
Not at all. I just didn’t understand what you had written, you said you agree, but to what?
Happy Keith:
shirly temple:
‘…it should of never been brought in … WHEN ARE UK DRIVERS GOING TO WAKE UP…’I’m awake, matey
Maybe focus your irritation upon those who territorially or blindly stick with the Lib/Lab/Con misery-go-round conspiracy as being total roll-over (or plain lazy?) pacifists being sold the EU’s diktats that are crippling our hitherto cultural, employment & social success
got nothing to do with whos in power they would of brought it in as they are only pupets anyway just crack on with it lol youll be haveing to sign in on route soon just to see your still awake lol .i dont see how some one training you can give you advice when they havent even done half what you have done been anywhere you have been and i doubt even secure a load properly which you are in charge of ,daily checks etc not allowed to do them now health and safty lol drivers now are no where near what they used to be or have the knowlage to carry out their duties just put on your hi viz and all will be ok lol
Wheel Nut:
‘… you said you agree, but to what…?’
Your one-line submission, both as I quoted and which was:
‘…Not necessarily, it all depends on being voluntary or paid duty time!..’
I’m not arguing.
shirly temple:
‘…it should of never been brought in … WHEN ARE UK DRIVERS GOING TO WAKE UP…’And
‘…got nothing to do with who’s in power they would of brought it in as they are only puppets anyway…’
Before we completely capitulate to disbelieve that there’s life beyond the Lib/Lab/Con, why not understand that UKIP would not blindly implement what a bunch of un-elected foreign civil servants tell the UK 'governent [sic] to do, which amounts to what I submitted above?
I have my DCPC and my Driver Qualification Card now so I have no vested interest in saying this- in fact, my vested interest would be to say the complete opposite- but I honestly think the DCPC will go the same way as the BS5750 Kitemark, which certain hauliers thought they would have to have in order to keep working when it came in, in the early 1990’s.
The person I worked for then, a successful haulier who is still in business now told me at the time “If you don’t have the BS5750 Kitemark on the truck in a couple of years time, nobody will give you any work”.
I thought he was wrong then and history has proven me right.
The DCPC will be quietly shelved and forgotten about, with no refunds for wooden-headed saps such as myself who were foolish enough to pay for it.
I can see an argument for some sort of testing but fail to see any reason for compulsory training attendance, surely the object of the exercise is to show that the drivers knowledge is up-to scratch which could be done with home study and a reasonably short multi-choice type test.
The more I hear about this the more confused I get. I spoke to my TM this week about the CPC, it’s never been mentioned at my place so far, I was told they are looking into it and will start it some time next year. I was then told that, as I have acquired rights, i have had an HGV licence since 1980,I am covered until 2019! No attendance required until then. Now I’ve never read that anywhere else so am now confused again. I have read that, even with acquired rights, I would need to attend the course.
Slackbladder:
The more I hear about this the more confused I get. I spoke to my TM this week about the CPC, it’s never been mentioned at my place so far, I was told they are looking into it and will start it some time next year. I was then told that, as I have acquired rights, i have had an HGV licence since 1980,I am covered until 2019! No attendance required until then. Now I’ve never read that anywhere else so am now confused again. I have read that, even with acquired rights, I would need to attend the course.
With acquired rights for LGV you are covered until September 9th 2014, you need to have done 35 hours periodic training by then or you won’t legally be able drive commercially.
Slackbladder:
The more I hear about this the more confused I get. I spoke to my TM this week about the CPC, it’s never been mentioned at my place so far, I was told they are looking into it and will start it some time next year. I was then told that, as I have acquired rights, i have had an HGV licence since 1980,I am covered until 2019!
No, you are ok to drive until September 2014 under Grandfather’s Rights. After then, everybody needs a DCPC card to drive a truck. Everybody.
Harry Monk:
Slackbladder:
The more I hear about this the more confused I get. I spoke to my TM this week about the CPC, it’s never been mentioned at my place so far, I was told they are looking into it and will start it some time next year. I was then told that, as I have acquired rights, i have had an HGV licence since 1980,I am covered until 2019!No, you are ok to drive until September 2014 under Grandfather’s Rights. After then, everybody needs a DCPC card to drive a truck. Everybody.
Absolutely Harry.
Your TM seems to have got himself a bit muddled Slackbladder.
DCPC came in from 2009, but anyone with an LGV licence issued before then has acquired rights until 2014 (5 years after it came in). So us older ■■■■■ refer to it coming in (for us) in 2014. Your TM seems to have taken 2014 as when it starts and added the 5 years acquired rights onto that. I’d have another word with him if I was you.
You could also try mentioning that under 50% (according to the trainers) of drivers have got their full allocation of training so far. There will be a great rush of training bookings starting next year and trainers are sure to put their rates up to take advantage of the reducing options.