I know there was another thread about this but I am buggered if I can find it. I wrote to the big house and asked a question and lo and by snot they sent me a portcullis on an envelope.
tachograph:
But no-ones disputing that it counts as other work for the tacho regs, that’s what I’ve been saying all alongThe quote by ROG is from a question of whether or not “Driver CPC” training is counted as other work which no-one in this thread is disputing
I still maintain that as the op will not be driving that day the only information required to be recorded for the tacho regs is name, date and start and finish times and as yet no-one has added anything to this list.
He’s not driving so no need for tacho breaks so no point in recording them (not for the tacho regs anyway), he can’t put mileage down as there wont be any, no point in writing the start and finish places as he’s not going anywhere, the start and finish times will show that the required weekly and daily rest periods have been taken.
For the non-driving days, the record may simply show the driver’s name, the date, and the start and finish of the shift. These records must be carried on the vehicle by the driver to be produced to enforcement officers for the relevant period (see individual sections on how to make manual entries).
I’d record it on the digi, that’s most likely where your company keeps track of your ‘Working time’ for the WTD.
Now, let’s say you start at 8, you’ll have a 10 min break around 10, a half hour break around 12, a 10 minute break around 1.45 and finish around 3.30 - 4pm ish. So that’s what you record on your digi, then when you download it in the company’s machine, it’ll show up.
If you wanted (no idea why) to record it on a manual card, you’d put location, mileage could say training or leave it blank, and record other work and breaks in manual entry on the back.
Lot of effort to me though, I’d probably do as suggested and not give a ■■■■.
Wheel Nut:
The wording NON COMPULSORY and VOLUNTARY has got my attention
DCPC is compulsory not voluntary and that is what geebee45 was referring to I believe …
calebs gramps:
ive got my second 7 hours of the DCPC next saturday being paid for by the firm and also being paid 7 hours time and a half.
GET US A JOB ROG
ive got my second 7 hours of the DCPC next saturday being paid for by the firm and also being paid 7 hours time and a half.
when i come in the following monday do i put my digi card in and put a manual entry for other work for this time or just do nothing 
Legally it’s other work so you should do a manual entry to record it as such, to be honest I would say the easiest way would be to complete a chart for the day if you’ve got one, recording just the date, start and finish times and your name.
^ this, its what we have done but don’t forget half hr break in there somewhere.
Thanks for the replies fella’s,il have to try to get a chart ,cos all of ours are digi tacho now so company dont keep any,many thanks .
tachograph:
Legally it’s other work so you should do a manual entry to record it as such, to be honest I would say the easiest way would be to complete a chart for the day if you’ve got one, recording just the date, start and finish times and your name.
This isn’t non transport work for a different company, it’s a days work for his regular job so he would need a bit more detail than that. Manual entry on the digi tacho would be the best way
Coffeeholic:
tachograph:
Legally it’s other work so you should do a manual entry to record it as such, to be honest I would say the easiest way would be to complete a chart for the day if you’ve got one, recording just the date, start and finish times and your name.This isn’t non transport work for a different company, it’s a days work for his regular job so he would need a bit more detail than that.
As far as I can see at most he’ll need to record any breaks if the company use the records to track the working time.
This is a non answer I received from VOSA on this very subject. It is as clear as mud 
Dear Mr Nut
This is a complex area and it does depend on the individual circumstances. Where an operator undertakes in-house CPC training or pays for external training within normal working hours, then this is most likely to be construed as ‘working time’. However, if CPC training is undertaken by employees outside of normal working hours this would probably not be construed as working time if it is entirely voluntary.A weekly rest under the EU drivers’ hours rules (Regulation 561/2006) must be an uninterrupted period where a driver may freely dispose of his time. Time spent working under obligation or instruction cannot be counted as rest. Drivers can of course take a reduced weekly rest of 24 hours but not on consecutive weekends.
Ultimately of course, it is for the Courts to interpret the legislation. I hope this helps though.
Kind regards
VOSA Doris
tachograph:
Coffeeholic:
tachograph:
Legally it’s other work so you should do a manual entry to record it as such, to be honest I would say the easiest way would be to complete a chart for the day if you’ve got one, recording just the date, start and finish times and your name.This isn’t non transport work for a different company, it’s a days work for his regular job so he would need a bit more detail than that.
As far as I can see at most he’ll need to record any breaks if the company use the records to track the working time.
Is that all you record when you go into work? How strange.
Wheel Nut:
Dear Mr Nut…
However, if CPC training is undertaken by employees outside of normal working hours this would probably not be construed as working time if it is entirely voluntary.
Surely it can’t be ever be ‘entirely voluntary’? DCPC is a legal requirement.
Coffeeholic:
tachograph:
Coffeeholic:
tachograph:
Legally it’s other work so you should do a manual entry to record it as such, to be honest I would say the easiest way would be to complete a chart for the day if you’ve got one, recording just the date, start and finish times and your name.This isn’t non transport work for a different company, it’s a days work for his regular job so he would need a bit more detail than that.
As far as I can see at most he’ll need to record any breaks if the company use the records to track the working time.
Is that all you record when you go into work? How strange.
Instead of these rather ridiculous cryptic messages why don’t you tell us what should be recorded and why 
tachograph:
Coffeeholic:
tachograph:
Coffeeholic:
tachograph:
Legally it’s other work so you should do a manual entry to record it as such, to be honest I would say the easiest way would be to complete a chart for the day if you’ve got one, recording just the date, start and finish times and your name.This isn’t non transport work for a different company, it’s a days work for his regular job so he would need a bit more detail than that.
As far as I can see at most he’ll need to record any breaks if the company use the records to track the working time.
Is that all you record when you go into work? How strange.
Instead of these rather ridiculous cryptic messages why don’t you tell us what should be recorded and why
I didn’t realise I wad being cryptic, I was being brief as I was driving up the M1 and M6. I thought it was bleeding obvious to anyone who had knowledge of the tacho rules, record all the normal things you do when you go into work for your regular employer. This is not the same situation as someone who works in an office or shop Monday to Friday and then does a driving shift every second Saturday.
Coffeeholic:
tachograph:
Coffeeholic:
tachograph:
Coffeeholic:
tachograph:
Legally it’s other work so you should do a manual entry to record it as such, to be honest I would say the easiest way would be to complete a chart for the day if you’ve got one, recording just the date, start and finish times and your name.This isn’t non transport work for a different company, it’s a days work for his regular job so he would need a bit more detail than that.
As far as I can see at most he’ll need to record any breaks if the company use the records to track the working time.
Is that all you record when you go into work? How strange.
Instead of these rather ridiculous cryptic messages why don’t you tell us what should be recorded and why
I didn’t realise I wad being cryptic, I was being brief as I was driving up the M1 and M6. I thought it was bleeding obvious to anyone who had knowledge of the tacho rules, record all the normal things you do when you go into work for your regular employer. This is not the same situation as someone who works in an office or shop Monday to Friday and then does a driving shift every second Saturday.
The op wont be driving so the only requirement is for date and start/finish times and name, only if the company use the records for tracking the working time are all breaks necessary.
You still haven’t said what else should be recorded.
calebs gramps:
ive got my second 7 hours of the DCPC next saturday being paid for by the firm and also being paid 7 hours time and a half.
when i come in the following monday do i put my digi card in and put a manual entry for other work for this time or just do nothing
Just do nothing, the world won’t end and nobody will be none the wiser. 
tachograph:
Coffeeholic:
tachograph:
Coffeeholic:
tachograph:
Coffeeholic:
tachograph:
Legally it’s other work so you should do a manual entry to record it as such, to be honest I would say the easiest way would be to complete a chart for the day if you’ve got one, recording just the date, start and finish times and your name.This isn’t non transport work for a different company, it’s a days work for his regular job so he would need a bit more detail than that.
As far as I can see at most he’ll need to record any breaks if the company use the records to track the working time.
Is that all you record when you go into work? How strange.
Instead of these rather ridiculous cryptic messages why don’t you tell us what should be recorded and why
I didn’t realise I wad being cryptic, I was being brief as I was driving up the M1 and M6. I thought it was bleeding obvious to anyone who had knowledge of the tacho rules, record all the normal things you do when you go into work for your regular employer. This is not the same situation as someone who works in an office or shop Monday to Friday and then does a driving shift every second Saturday.
The op wont be driving so the only requirement is for date and start/finish times and name, only if the company use the records for tracking the working time are all breaks necessary.
You still haven’t said what else should be recorded.
Yes I did, right there in the bit you just quoted. And I’m not talking about the WTD, you know I don’t bother with that.
Geebee45 did this post which explains the rules on DCPC courses in regard to the EU regs
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=57040&p=679458#p679458
geebee45:
Put simply, it doesn’t matter where the dCPC training is undertaken or whether the driver is being paid to attend the course or who pays the course fees; driver or employer, the course time cannot be counted as rest under the EU drivers hours rules.If you want the detail. EC 561 gives the definitions of; driving time, other work, rest and break. As we all know, ‘rest’ is the period during which a driver may freely dispose of his (or her) time. Being on a compulsory training course doesn’t fit with that definition. ‘Break,’ cannot be claimed as a driver cannot do any ‘driving’ or ‘work’ on a break.
The definition of ‘other work’ in '561 refers back to 2002/15 (EC) our old friend that gave us the Road Transport Working Time Regulations in April 2005. If you look at Article 3 you will find the following definition of work;
‘working time’ shall mean:
- in the case of mobile workers: the time from the beginning
to the end of work, during which the mobile
worker is at his workstation, at the disposal of the
employer and exercising his functions or activities, that
is to say:
– the time devoted to all road transport activities.
These activities are, in particular, the following:
(i) driving;
(ii) loading and unloading;
(iii) assisting passengers boarding and disembarking
from the vehicle;
(iv) cleaning and technical maintenance;
(v) all other work intended to ensure the safety of
the vehicle, its cargo and passengers or to fulfil
the legal or regulatory obligations directly
linked to the specific transport operation under
way, including monitoring of loading and
unloading, administrative formalities with
police, customs, immigration officers etc.I’ve put the important bit in part 5 in red.
The dCPC is a legal obligation for drivers that wish to use their vocational licence commercially. Therefore the time is ‘other work,’ needs to be recorded as such and cannot be counted as ‘rest’ under the EU drivers hours rules. It also needs recording under the aforementioned RT(WT)R as ‘working time’ and would count towards the maximum ‘working time’ of 60 hours per week or 48 average.
pavaroti:
Just do nothing, the world won’t end and nobody will be none the wiser.
The most sensible answer so far!