geebee45:
The dCPC is a legal obligation for drivers that wish to use their vocational licence commercially. Therefore the time is ‘other work,’ needs to be recorded as such and cannot be counted as ‘rest’ under the EU drivers hours rules. It also needs recording under the aforementioned RT(WT)R as ‘working time’ and would count towards the maximum ‘working time’ of 60 hours per week or 48 average.
Which is what I have been saying. It needs recording as other work for the Driver’s Hours Regs as well as the WTD so just name, date and start/finish times is not enough in this situation.
But personally I would probably just go with pavaroti’s suggestion unless it made a difference to getting paid for it or not.
But no-ones disputing that it counts as other work for the tacho regs, that’s what I’ve been saying all along
The quote by ROG is from a question of whether or not “Driver CPC” training is counted as other work which no-one in this thread is disputing
I still maintain that as the op will not be driving that day the only information required to be recorded for the tacho regs is name, date and start and finish times and as yet no-one has added anything to this list.
He’s not driving so no need for tacho breaks so no point in recording them (not for the tacho regs anyway), he can’t put mileage down as there wont be any, no point in writing the start and finish places as he’s not going anywhere, the start and finish times will show that the required weekly and daily rest periods have been taken.
For the non-driving days, the record may simply show the driver’s name, the date, and the start and finish of the shift. These records must be carried on the vehicle by the driver to be produced to enforcement officers for the relevant period (see individual sections on how to make manual entries).
tachograph:
I still maintain that as the op will not be driving that day the only information required to be recorded for the tacho regs is name, date and start and finish times and as yet no-one has added anything to this list.
He’s not driving so no need for tacho breaks so no point in recording them (not for the tacho regs anyway), he can’t put mileage down as there wont be any, no point in writing the start and finish places as he’s not going anywhere, the start and finish times will show that the required weekly and daily rest periods have been taken.
I was asking about DCPC records on another site and it was stated by a member who is well respected on both forums that they cannot be counted as rest and if done in a week where no EU regs driving was done then the records would be for the RTWTD only
From that statement I would say that recording any breaks would be needed for an accurate record
ROG:
I was asking about DCPC records on another site and it was stated by a member who is well respected on both forums that they cannot be counted as rest and if done in a week where no EU regs driving was done then the records would be for the RTWTD only
From that statement I would say that recording any breaks would be needed for an accurate record
I’m not disputing the legal accuracy of what you say ROG, but your the one who’s always telling us that no-one regulates the working time regulations, you even started a thread about it here… remember.
If VOSA don’t regulate the RT(WT)R when mixed with EU driving are you asking us to believe they’re going to be interested in regulating it when someone’s sat in a classroom all day
Sorry but I fail to see how you can tell people they can ignore the working time regulations on days when they drive to EU regulations then tell them they should comply with it when they’re sat in a classroom all day
ROG:
I was asking about DCPC records on another site and it was stated by a member who is well respected on both forums that they cannot be counted as rest and if done in a week where no EU regs driving was done then the records would be for the RTWTD only
From that statement I would say that recording any breaks would be needed for an accurate record
I’m not disputing the legal accuracy of what you say ROG, but your the one who’s always telling us that no-one regulates the working time regulations, you even started a thread about it here… remember.
If VOSA don’t regulate the RT(WT)R when mixed with EU driving are you asking us to believe they’re going to be interested in regulating it when someone’s sat in a classroom all day
Sorry but I fail to see how you can tell people they can ignore the working time regulations on days when they drive to EU regulations then tell them they should comply with it when they’re sat in a classroom all day
if the dcpc course is done in a week when no driving is done then it cannot be counted as rest so should be officially recorded for the EU regs but if it is then it also counts for the RTWTD but that aint currently checked on but if it’s going to be recorded then it might as well have the breaks in the course recorded as well
ROG:
I was asking about DCPC records on another site and it was stated by a member who is well respected on both forums that they cannot be counted as rest and if done in a week where no EU regs driving was done then the records would be for the RTWTD only
From that statement I would say that recording any breaks would be needed for an accurate record
ROG:
if the dcpc course is done in a week when no driving is done then it cannot be counted as rest so should be officially recorded for the EU regs but if it is then it also counts for the RTWTD but that aint currently checked on but if it’s going to be recorded then it might as well have the breaks in the course recorded as well
I assume that by “EU regs” you mean (EC) 561/2006 ?
If that’s what you mean you seem to be contradicting yourself because in the first quote you’re saying that the records would be for WTD purposes only yet in the second quote you seem to be saying the opposite
calebs gramps:
ive got my second 7 hours of the DCPC next saturday being paid for by the firm and also being paid 7 hours time and a half.
when i come in the following monday do i put my digi card in and put a manual entry for other work for this time or just do nothing
You’re correct. Insert a manual entry for the ‘other work’ you done, which was a training course.
I’ve never read something so simple yet sounding so complicated from the above responses.
calebs gramps:
ive got my second 7 hours of the DCPC next saturday being paid for by the firm and also being paid 7 hours time and a half.
when i come in the following monday do i put my digi card in and put a manual entry for other work for this time or just do nothing
You’re correct. Insert a manual entry for the ‘other work’ you done, which was a training course.
That’s what I did when I started the next shift after I did mine, took less than a minute.
tachograph:
I assume that by “EU regs” you mean (EC) 561/2006 ?
If that’s what you mean you seem to be contradicting yourself because in the first quote you’re saying that the records would be for WTD purposes only yet in the second quote you seem to be saying the opposite
YUP 561/2006
It does seem contradictory to me as well because one rule says it does not need to be recorded for 561/2006 if no driving was done in that week but at the same time it cannot count as rest for 561/2006
As it does not count as rest for 561/2006 then it must count for the RTWTD regs so needs recording for RTWTD
tachograph:
I assume that by “EU regs” you mean (EC) 561/2006 ?
If that’s what you mean you seem to be contradicting yourself because in the first quote you’re saying that the records would be for WTD purposes only yet in the second quote you seem to be saying the opposite
YUP 561/2006
It does seem contradictory to me as well because one rule says it does not need to be recorded for 561/2006 if no driving was done in that week but at the same time it cannot count as rest for 561/2006
As it does not count as rest for 561/2006 then it must count for the RTWTD regs so needs recording for RTWTD
Really confusing
I think you’re tying yourself up in knots now but go on I’ll bite
Since when did you need to complete a tachograph record purely for the working time regulations ?
tachograph:
I assume that by “EU regs” you mean (EC) 561/2006 ?
If that’s what you mean you seem to be contradicting yourself because in the first quote you’re saying that the records would be for WTD purposes only yet in the second quote you seem to be saying the opposite
YUP 561/2006
It does seem contradictory to me as well because one rule says it does not need to be recorded for 561/2006 if no driving was done in that week but at the same time it cannot count as rest for 561/2006
As it does not count as rest for 561/2006 then it must count for the RTWTD regs so needs recording for RTWTD
Really confusing
I think you’re tying yourself up in knots now but go on I’ll bite
Since when did you need to complete a tachograph record purely for the working time regulations ?
did I say that a tachograph was needed to record the RTWTD?
That’s the dilemma - if no driving was done in a fixed week but say 35 hours of dcpc was, then just how should it be recorded?
It cannot count as rest for 561/2006 but it does count as time for the RTWTD
does that mean it has to be officially recorded just as other work is during a fixed week when driving under 561/2006 ■■? - you tell me
