Gidders:
How much has the standard of driving improved since the introduction of the DCPC? We all know the answer to that one.Give it more time?How long?
And the first question wins the cigar!
Show evidence that the DCPC has had any positive effect and, Yes, Ill support it. Yes, it should have a good effect. Yes, its a noble aim. Yes, it could work. Yes, to more safety. Yes, to more professionalism. Yes, to more pay for better workers. And, Yes, for all of that I`ll part with my own money, and give up my time, it should be an investment in the future. The DCPC should be great. Good for safety, prestige, fuel economy, hence better green credentials, and so even our public image improves! Better pay even?? Yes to all that.
Only problem is, it`s as good as a brand new shiny toy on the morning of Dec 25th, with no batteries.
More Ale:
I see political correctness is creeping in; Why do we need “disability awareness”? Are we expected to learn sign language, talk like Mr Tumble for when we encounger retarded security staff?
I bet we’ll be doing diversity training before long, imagine that; 7 hours listening to a man with a lisp telling you how we should all fly a rainbow flag, know all about ethnic minorities and how “fabuloth” Frankie Goes to Hollywood is.
Some things will have to go as people won’t wear leaving the EU and still following all the legislation so DCPC seems a likely target as it’s obviously pointless ■■■■■■■■ which no-one will miss or complain about apart from a couple of hundred trainers who’ll have to get a proper job.
I reckon in or out of the EU the UK is stuck with it. As own account driver points out though its a load of pointless bollox that teaches no one anything even remotely useful…
Gidders:
How much has the standard of driving improved since the introduction of the DCPC? We all know the answer to that one.Give it more time?How long?
In 2014/15 1518 drivers hours offences were reported, of which 91.5% resulted in a conviction. A similar number of tachograph offences were recorded too, 1571. However in the 2013/14 period the figures we approximately double that, for example 2849 for tachograph offences (figures from DVSA). You can draw your own conclusions, but driver education has probably got a lot to do with that vast reduction.
The level of understanding on this forum is much higher than most drivers and as such it’s hard to see the need for training. This, coupled with some poor courses, and training providers, does not help. However, as a whole there are more drivers that need training of some sort than not. Getting the right course for the right person though is key.
rambo19:
I would like to see first aid being mandortory.
So would i. I teach first aid at the co. i sub for at any free weekends i have off. I give out free first aid kits and subsidised first responder kits to those drivers qualified in using them. We also get subsidised fire extinguishers along with free training on how to tackle a small fire safely. Nearly every driver at our Malaga yard now has both first aid/fire training.
rambo19:
I would like to see first aid being mandortory.
No thanks.
Being physically disabled, I couldn’t complete the first-aid course of my ADR a few years back. The instructors were completely flummoxed and didn’t know whether to fail or pass me, as they never had to deal with that before.
Gidders:
How much has the standard of driving improved since the introduction of the DCPC? We all know the answer to that one.Give it more time?How long?
In 2014/15 1518 drivers hours offences were reported, of which 91.5% resulted in a conviction. A similar number of tachograph offences were recorded too, 1571. However in the 2013/14 period the figures we approximately double that, for example 2849 for tachograph offences (figures from DVSA). You can draw your own conclusions, but driver education has probably got a lot to do with that vast reduction.
The level of understanding on this forum is much higher than most drivers and as such it’s hard to see the need for training. This, coupled with some poor courses, and training providers, does not help. However, as a whole there are more drivers that need training of some sort than not. Getting the right course for the right person though is key.
Probably more likely caused by large numbers retiring, who didn’t know the hours rules, due to DCPC rather than DCPC educating them all in the error of their ways. Even the FTA, an inveterate cheerleader for DCPC, admitted some drivers were coming back from DCPC courses with funny ideas about drivers hours even though previously knowing what was required for their own particular job.
That’s part of the problem with DCPC it’s too many hours to fill with learning directly relevant to the drivers particular job so it ends up including all sorts of unrelated stuff which causes confusion.
rambo19:
I would like to see first aid being mandortory.
Certainly should be included and I would happily attend that. My guess, is you are going to need properly qualified people to teach that rather than any random who likes the sound of their own voice and his happy to spout ■■■■■■■■ so it wouldn’t have created a load of new pointless training jobs.
rambo19:
I would like to see first aid being mandortory.
Certainly should be included and I would happily attend that. My guess, is you are going to need properly qualified people to teach that rather than any random who likes the sound of their own voice and his happy to spout ■■■■■■■■ so it wouldn’t have created a load of new pointless training jobs.
Unlike CPC you have to have a valid qualification to teach first aid , over here its valid for three years then its compulsory to do a refresher course to take into account updates which are forever changing such as CPR for cardiac arrest ect…
Gidders:
How much has the standard of driving improved since the introduction of the DCPC? We all know the answer to that one.Give it more time?How long?
In 2014/15 1518 drivers hours offences were reported, of which 91.5% resulted in a conviction. A similar number of tachograph offences were recorded too, 1571. However in the 2013/14 period the figures we approximately double that, for example 2849 for tachograph offences (figures from DVSA). You can draw your own conclusions, but driver education has probably got a lot to do with that vast reduction.
The level of understanding on this forum is much higher than most drivers and as such it’s hard to see the need for training. This, coupled with some poor courses, and training providers, does not help. However, as a whole there are more drivers that need training of some sort than not. Getting the right course for the right person though is key.
Probably more likely caused by large numbers retiring, who didn’t know the hours rules, due to DCPC rather than DCPC educating them all in the error of their ways. Even the FTA, an inveterate cheerleader for DCPC, admitted some drivers were coming back from DCPC courses with funny ideas about drivers hours even though previously knowing what was required for their own particular job.
That’s part of the problem with DCPC it’s too many hours to fill with learning directly relevant to the drivers particular job so it ends up including all sorts of unrelated stuff which causes confusion.
Whilst I am sure that may account for some of the issue, I can’t personally see it being responsible for a 50% drop. You would be better off arguing that the DVSA inspectors lucked upon the drivers who knew what they were doing this time…
I do agree however that the content needs to be shorter and more refined. For example a Driver CPC course is 7 hours, where as First Aid and ADR are 6 per day. Surely that must tell you that these recognised qualifications feel that 6 hours per day is the maximum to be able to concentrate and take it all in. Drivers have to take some responsibility though, if you feel you have a weakness in your knowledge then fill that rather than attending a random course that offers you nothing. And as for Driver Hours, you only need to look at some of the bizarre questions asked on here to see a lot of drivers are well below the required standard.
Road2ruin:
And as for Driver Hours, you only need to look at some of the bizarre questions asked on here to see a lot of drivers are well below the required standard.
Road2ruin:
And as for Driver Hours, you only need to look at some of the bizarre questions asked on here to see a lot of drivers are well below the required standard.
On the whole the majority of us (or maybe not by some comments) have not been taken in by the dcpc concept.
It is an excercise in ‘’ been seeing to do the right thing’’ but has no real substance in it’s present form, but is more of a stealth tax on one hand and an entire industry on the other…(that is the way I see it, and I really don’t give a ■■■■ if you disagree with me, so don’t start an argument about it as this is not the case in point)
So, that point in mind…If we really HAVE to continue to put up with it, the only ‘‘good’’ (for want of a better word) thing about it is that it is relatively easy to obtain at the moment …it is a ball ache BUT you just basically turn up, and while away the boredom by doing the ‘Truck and Driver’ crossword or whatever if you like…job sorted you have your ticket…■■■■ easy.
As I said in my other post on this if you are all advocating for a proper course with an exam at the end, how many of you will not pass, (simply because you do not have exam skills even though you have proved beyond doubt you are good at your job) and be out of a job with no wage until you do, so be careful what you all wish for and think it through, as rocking the boat could have an adverse effect.
I am not the worlds biggest conformist by any means , but even I am rolling over here.
So my advice is…■■■■ it up, just play along with their game (you will never beat them, so be seen to be playing along, safe in the knowledge they have not conned you) and keep yourselves in work.
Road2ruin:
And as for Driver Hours, you only need to look at some of the bizarre questions asked on here to see a lot of drivers are well below the required standard.
What’s…
The required standard?
Exactly…there isnt one…
It’s the ability to do your job, day in and day out, whatever may be thrown at you, in a legal and safe manner. If you can’t then you are not trained appropriately. The HASAW act requires every employee is trained to ensure safety at work. Employers could have done this in the past and possibly pre-empted the DCPC, but they didn’t (or at least very few did). I came across a whole company the other day with six drivers and none of them had ever done a vehicle check. Is this the fault of the company? Yes. The employee also, Yes. If you do a job, no matter what it is, you must know the rules and regulations, as well as how to do it safely. How this is implemented has been forced, in some way, upon us. But the best thing to do is stop burying your head in your hands and instead getting on some relevant, well executed training courses that will benefit you and others.
More Ale:
I see political correctness is creeping in; Why do we need “disability awareness”? Are we expected to learn sign language, talk like Mr Tumble for when we encounger retarded security staff?
I bet we’ll be doing diversity training before long, imagine that; 7 hours listening to a man with a lisp telling you how we should all fly a rainbow flag, know all about ethnic minorities and how “fabuloth” Frankie Goes to Hollywood is.
Wow. Bigoted much?
You need “disability awareness” training apparently to find out how offensive that statement is to people who are not living with disability on a daily basis, let alone those who are still trying, despite having a hell of a lot more challenges that you I would wager. And whats wrong with diversity training? We as drivers are already encountering people with different ways of life than our own. There are homosexual drivers out there, and warehouse staff. There are different ethinc backgrounds, those born in the wrong gender, those who don’t identify with a gender… There are staff all throughout the industry and the industries we work with who are different from you. Just as you have the right to hold your beliefs they have the right not to hear them.
If you can’t even see how wrong your post is, you need all the classroom help you can get before you encounter one of these slightly different, but perfectly normal people in the course of your work.
I hope they introduce a “how to deal with a libtard snowflake” course.
Road2ruin:
And as for Driver Hours, you only need to look at some of the bizarre questions asked on here to see a lot of drivers are well below the required standard.
What’s…
The required standard?
Exactly…there isnt one…
It’s the ability to do your job, day in and day out, whatever may be thrown at you, in a legal and safe manner. If you can’t then you are not trained appropriately. The HASAW act requires every employee is trained to ensure safety at work. Employers could have done this in the past and possibly pre-empted the DCPC, but they didn’t (or at least very few did). I came across a whole company the other day with six drivers and none of them had ever done a vehicle check. Is this the fault of the company? Yes. The employee also, Yes. If you do a job, no matter what it is, you must know the rules and regulations, as well as how to do it safely. How this is implemented has been forced, in some way, upon us. But the best thing to do is stop burying your head in your hands and instead getting on some relevant, well executed training courses that will benefit you and others.
What a load of cr@p! Been doing this job 27years and been an O/D on and off for the best part of 20 years carrying every kind of load in just about every european country…i dont need any self styled classroom nerd telling me how i need to do my job least of all do i need H&S ■■■■■■■■ training thanks. So very glad i dont drive in the UK anymore, its bogged down so far now im surprised anything ever gets done…