Covid

Zac_A:

jakethesnake:
As for Stu, WAKE UP. :laughing:

:laughing: :laughing: Ah… I think Stu is far too dyed-in-the-wool now

telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/1 … -overtake/
"When Britain first locked down on March 23 2020, the average daily death rate from Covid was around 213, triggering understandable alarm and the ushering in of strict restrictions.

Now a similar number of unexpected deaths are occurring each day, the majority of which are not primarily caused by coronavirus.

Yet there is largely silence from the government and health service.

Data from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) shows that in the past six months there have been more excess deaths from causes other than Covid, than deaths ‘due to’ coronavirus for the entire year.

Figures reveal there were 18,394 deaths ‘due to’ Covid recorded this year in England and Wales. But since May there have been 23,195 excess deaths where the primary cause was another condition."

Just in case anyone thinks that the reduction in deaths from Covid in 2022 is in any way related to the vaccines. The ONS proves that the vaccine has no effect.
“The latest ONS data on deaths by vaccination status show that of the 5,678 Covid deaths in April and May, 93% or 5,276 were of vaccinated people. Given that the Government’s Coronavirus Dashboard reports that 93% of the over-12 population had a first dose of the vaccine, 87% had a second dose and 70% had a third dose, these real-world data suggest that the vaccinated did no better than the unvaccinated in being protected against death.”

stu675:
Just in case anyone thinks that the reduction in deaths from Covid in 2022 is in any way related to the vaccines. The ONS proves that the vaccine has no effect.
“The latest ONS data on deaths by vaccination status show that of the 5,678 Covid deaths in April and May, 93% or 5,276 were of vaccinated people. Given that the Government’s Coronavirus Dashboard reports that 93% of the over-12 population had a first dose of the vaccine, 87% had a second dose and 70% had a third dose, these real-world data suggest that the vaccinated did no better than the unvaccinated in being protected against death.”

It proves no such thing.

Firstly only 2 months data is alleged to show this.
Why are April and May being cited, rather than a whole year? Cherry picking.

Are the unvaccinated of the same profile as the vaccinated? Merely saying they are all over 12yrs isnt enough. Older and more vulnerable people might well be more likely to get a jab. The younger, fitter might not. So, that group should really have a much smaller death rate; since they havent, it shows the nonsense being peddled again.

Whaaaaat? Is this the same ONS you are attempting to discredit that you quoted verbatim at the height of the hysteria?

the maoster:
Whaaaaat? Is this the same ONS you are attempting to discredit that you quoted verbatim at the height of the hysteria?

The ONS figures seem fine to me.

The Torygraph is cherry picking a couple of them, and spinning them to suggest something that doesn`t seem to be there.

ONS = figures…News outlets = stories.

So what’s your spin on the 93% of deaths coming from vaccinated people? I’m sure that you’ll extrapolate that 93% of the population is vaccinated so therefore it’s to be expected. I’m not so sure, tbh. One thing I am sure of though is that time will tell.

the maoster:
So what’s your spin on the 93% of deaths coming from vaccinated people? I’m sure that you’ll extrapolate that 93% of the population is vaccinated so therefore it’s to be expected. I’m not so sure, tbh. One thing I am sure of though is that time will tell.

Here is the ONS data set on Covid deaths and vaccination status. It`s in xlsx.

Also the notes on data set.
ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation … gland-data
Quote:
“Monthly age-standardised mortality rates (ASMRs) for deaths involving coronavirus (COVID-19) have been consistently lower for all months since booster introduction in September 2021 for people who had received a third dose or booster at least 21 days ago, compared with unvaccinated people and those with just a first or second dose.”
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justpassing:
Can’t believe your still talking about convid it doesn’t exist never did you’ve been well and truly had and your still bleeting on about it get over the myth and move on

I think you would be better passing through rather than coming across as a knucklehead. :laughing:

jakethesnake:

justpassing:
Can’t believe your still talking about convid it doesn’t exist never did you’ve been well and truly had and your still bleeting on about it get over the myth and move on

I think you would be better passing through rather than coming across as a knucklehead. :laughing:

youtube.com/watch?v=mh_ePgI4n3Y

I believe Covid is an actual condition rather than not, and I believed the hype at the outset, but I’ve decided I ain’t having any more jabs.
I felt crap for ages last time I had it, then I picked up Covid months later, which did not feel as bad as the jab effects.
Ok it could be said that if I had not had the jab I’d be worse but that can never be proven.
I just don’t fancy having injections every year for the rest of my life, if that becomes my eventual epitaph, we’ll eventually find out.

My eldest lad who is as fit as a butcher’s dog, a big strapping lad, 6’1 does the gym thing and bodybuilding etc was knocked for six after his, he reckons he also aint having anymore., my youngest lad says the same, even my Mrs is waning on the subject also,.which was a shocker,.she’s still undecided.

I see they are doing it with a combined ‘normal’ flu jab, (why is that btw) I’ve never had one of them before either. :neutral_face:

jakethesnake:
I feel you dislike Dr Campbell for whatever reason and that is your prerogative but I will stick to my own view on him rather than believe one from a lorry driver on a truck forum. :slight_smile:

I don’t think you read my previous post at all, as I said before, I used to be a post-doctoral research scientist in the field of biochemistry and molecular sciences. I’m entitled to use the prefix “Dr” too, as were just about every one of my academic colleagues from the several universities I worked at, so just because some guy on Youtube is using his degree title to impress people who aren’t similarly qualified and who aren’t able to adequately analyse cutting-edge scientific publications on their own means nothing to me.

BTW I’m not even a lorry driver these days, I’m currently a TM and DGSA, and ADR trainer.

You can watch all the Youtube videos you want, but you ought to know that the research he’s criticising is potentially extremely useful, you could have seen for yourself if you could properly digest the piece of work in the link I posted.

The guys at Boston University’s National Emerging Infectious Diseases Laboratories (NEIDL). are probably too focused on their valuable work to be making Youtube videos, but if you can moderate your admiration for Dr Campbell’s self-gratifying home vids for a moment, you might find this elucidating.
bu.edu/articles/2022/neidl- … id-strain/

Reading that report, it is contradictory to the video representation which I fully suspected after watching it. Then I suppose the printed statement from Boston University would read along those lines even if it were not the case, I am sure they would like to portray it this way. Who knows what the actual truth is as all of the faith we have had in our governments and officials and their antics have been made a mockery of. Scientists still hold some form of admiration and trust from the public but not sure about the people they work for or who are above them. It is becoming difficult in believing anything nowadays.

So, do I believe the Daily Mails interpretation, of a cherry-picked section of a report? Backed up by a Fox-News report, and almost no-one else. Or, an article from the researchers themselves? Stating what the research was, in their own words. (Not a sensationalist reporters words) Its not as if the Mail has done anything itself to find all this out: it is just click bait nonsense.
Not very difficult.

And the Mail has form (a lot of it) on biased and misleading stories.
mediabiasfactcheck.com/daily-mail/

jakethesnake:

justpassing:
Can’t believe your still talking about convid it doesn’t exist never did you’ve been well and truly had and your still bleeting on about it get over the myth and move on

I think you would be better passing through rather than coming across as a knucklehead. :laughing:

Well Mr Snake a snake I’m sure you probably were in your workplace, anyway never had any jabs for a fake virus and was never ill so I don’t have any tracking fluid fitted unlike you, and I’m free to travel again so I think your the one who’s been conned

Still testing positive , though to me / mrs the line does look blurred to when originally testing positive , hopefully test negative at some point this week , apparently a weak immune system is my issue

Zac_A:

jakethesnake:
I feel you dislike Dr Campbell for whatever reason and that is your prerogative but I will stick to my own view on him rather than believe one from a lorry driver on a truck forum. :slight_smile:

I don’t think you read my previous post at all, as I said before, I used to be a post-doctoral research scientist in the field of biochemistry and molecular sciences. I’m entitled to use the prefix “Dr” too, as were just about every one of my academic colleagues from the several universities I worked at, so just because some guy on Youtube is using his degree title to impress people who aren’t similarly qualified and who aren’t able to adequately analyse cutting-edge scientific publications on their own means nothing to me.

BTW I’m not even a lorry driver these days, I’m currently a TM and DGSA, and ADR trainer.

You can watch all the Youtube videos you want, but you ought to know that the research he’s criticising is potentially extremely useful, you could have seen for yourself if you could properly digest the piece of work in the link I posted.

The guys at Boston University’s National Emerging Infectious Diseases Laboratories (NEIDL). are probably too focused on their valuable work to be making Youtube videos, but if you can moderate your admiration for Dr Campbell’s self-gratifying home vids for a moment, you might find this elucidating.
bu.edu/articles/2022/neidl- … id-strain/

Probably not but as far as I am concerned you don’t seem to really understand or know anything about Dr Campbell by what you write. You mentioned about his negative videos but you can’t remember them.
It’s obvious you know very little about him but for some reason you have taken a dislike to him for reasons I can only suspect. I could give you a lot more info but I’m sure I would be wasting my time so let’s just leave it now before I get stroppy. :laughing:

justpassing:

jakethesnake:

justpassing:
Can’t believe your still talking about convid it doesn’t exist never did you’ve been well and truly had and your still bleeting on about it get over the myth and move on

I think you would be better passing through rather than coming across as a knucklehead. :laughing:

Well Mr Snake a snake I’m sure you probably were in your workplace, anyway never had any jabs for a fake virus and was never ill so I don’t have any tracking fluid fitted unlike you, and I’m free to travel again so I think your the one who’s been conned

You sound very familiar. I think you could be a big hypocrite.

:wink:

justpassing:

jakethesnake:

justpassing:
Can’t believe your still talking about convid it doesn’t exist never did you’ve been well and truly had and your still bleeting on about it get over the myth and move on

I think you would be better passing through rather than coming across as a knucklehead. :laughing:

Well Mr Snake a snake I’m sure you probably were in your workplace, anyway never had any jabs for a fake virus and was never ill so I don’t have any tracking fluid fitted unlike you, and I’m free to travel again so I think your the one who’s been conned

Tracking fluid?
Is that from the same factory that makes the nano-bots also in vaccines? Still now that they aren`t putting chemicals in con-trails, and have stopped the aliens from making crop circles, I guess they have more free time now.

Franglais:
Tracking fluid?
Is that from the same factory that makes the nano-bots also in vaccines? Still now that they aren`t putting chemicals in con-trails, and have stopped the aliens from making crop circles, I guess they have more free time now.

:smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

Franglais:

justpassing:

jakethesnake:

justpassing:
Can’t believe your still talking about convid it doesn’t exist never did you’ve been well and truly had and your still bleeting on about it get over the myth and move on

I think you would be better passing through rather than coming across as a knucklehead. :laughing:

Well Mr Snake a snake I’m sure you probably were in your workplace, anyway never had any jabs for a fake virus and was never ill so I don’t have any tracking fluid fitted unlike you, and I’m free to travel again so I think your the one who’s been conned

Tracking fluid?
Is that from the same factory that makes the nano-bots also in vaccines? Still now that they aren`t putting chemicals in con-trails, and have stopped the aliens from making crop circles, I guess they have more free time now.

Don’t confuse him. :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: