Covid

[stu675]

Franglais:

stu675:

Franglais:

tmcassett:

Yorkshire Tramper:
The reason everyone is carrying on as normal as if COVID doesnt exist is because, we now can. Before the vaccination program we saw on the TV people dying by the thousands and scared everyone to death. How many deaths do we hear about now? I drive coach loads of coughing people about every day and to be honest I am not nearly as worried as when it was all over the news. Now I just consider it as something I don’t want to catch but not something I fear.

The power of the media.

Maybe the widespread uptake of vaccines, might, just possibly, have had some effect too?

Natural immunity taking effect.

Just like we have become naturally immune to longer standing viruses?
Polio, small-pox, ebola, measles, mumps?

Yes, exactly!

[stu675]

JeffA:

5 days off wont stop you paying the mortgage - its a months beer money.

And it might save someones life.

You spend a quarter of your net income on alcohol? Have you considered AA?

[tmcassett]

JeffA:
5 days off wont stop you paying the mortgage - its a months beer money.

And it might save someones life.

Not sure where you work and what you get paid but 5 days off at my place, 3 unpaid and 2 on statutory sick pay is more of a loss than my mortgage costs me a month.

Incidentally, I’m curious if you and all the other lockdown fanatics were always so keen to have 5 days off work unpaid pre March 2020 when you had the slightest sign of a cold, the flu or anything else contagious that can be passed on?

[zac_a]

Yorkshire Tramper:

jakethesnake:
There will be no natural immunity if this one escapes?

youtube.com/watch?v=_WTZo9ieBKY

The problem I have with believing these type of videos is a simple fact of economics that govern research centres, who is actually funding and paying for this type of nonsensicle research?

I posted about that elsewhere in this thread

I cannot see governments or investors agreeing to a bunch of scientists researching gain of function research in a means to no end costing thousands.

Most research tends to be “pure research” ie no obvious end goal to the work, but that does not make is without value, many, if not most, important discoveries come about “accidentally” because of unrelated work

When you consider medical research is usually funded by investors hoping to make big money at the end

If you mean Venture Capitalists, that’s very high risk for them, most of them never make very much money back, unless that research happens to strike a motherload.

However, I totally agree that video is scaremongering, I’ve seen one or two of his other videos and had a very negative view of those too

[zac_a]

stu675:

Franglais:
Just like we have become naturally immune to longer standing viruses?
Polio, small-pox, ebola, measles, mumps?

Yes, exactly!

Stu, Franglais was (quite rightly) being sarcastic: polio, measles, and mumps are only kept at bay by childhood vaccinations - despite the efforts of that struck-off doctor, Andrew Wakefield.

Smallpox is only less of a danger because due to a concerted worldwide effort it was able to be declared eradicated by the WHO in 1980 - should it ever return (and it still exists in two labs, one US, one Russian) no one will have any natural immunity without vaccination, (or without having cow pox first)

There is no immunity against Ebola without vaccination.

[jakethesnake]

However, I totally agree that video is scaremongering, I’ve seen one or two of his other videos and had a very negative view of those too

I am really surprised to hear you say that. I would like to know which videos you found to be negative. I would say exactly the opposite about Dr Campbell. He always looks at the positive side rather than the negative and always apologises if he gets it wrong. He is known for giving correct information.

You say you found this particular video was scaremongering. Look at the details, Dr. Campbell was only making people aware of what these scientists had been doing and asking why they had been doing this as it was totally unnecessary. This was not made public for scaremongering but there had been rumours about what these American scientists were doing and he was informing his viewers with what had been going on. I doubt you watched the whole video or have seen many of his others by your reaction as Dr Campbell is not a scaremongerer.

As for Stu, WAKE UP.

[jeffa]

Excuse me Franglais - you don’t really think we are “naturally immune” to Polio or small pox do you?

[franglais]

JeffA:
Excuse me Franglais - you don’t really think we are “naturally immune” to Polio or small pox do you?

No I certainly do not.

Zac_A:
Stu, Franglais was (quite rightly) being sarcastic:

I was hoping that pointing out the necessity to have vaccines against centuries old viruses gives the lie to thoughts that “natural immunity” is some sort of magic bullet.

I should have known better.

Zac_A:
polio, measles, and mumps are only kept at bay by childhood vaccinations - despite the efforts of that struck-off doctor, Andrew Wakefield.

Is absolutely true.

And if anyone cant remember him, Google Andrew Wakefield. Check out Ben Goldacres “Bad Science” too.
Here is Goldacre 10 years ago. Just a light intro.
youtube.com/watch?v=h4MhbkWJzKk

[dozy]

8 bloody days apx , read somewhere it can take upto 90 days to go

[the_maoster]

Up to 90 days to go? Possibly, I’m no expert. If by go you mean to completely leave your system then you may well be right. All I know is that I tested positive for four days and then negative on the fifth (two tests just to be sure).

[dozy]

the maoster:
Up to 90 days to go? Possibly, I’m no expert. If by go you mean to completely leave your system then you may well be right. All I know is that I tested positive for four days and then negative on the fifth (two tests just to be sure).

Ive tested every day , that’s 8 th ,mrs recons it’s my immune system , weak , get all your hopes up today is the day , negative , dashed
Hopefully tomorrow

[dozy]

Another day , another positive , doctor doesn’t seem very confident as he’s issued a sick note for 2 weeks , good the agency pay statuary sick pay or I’d have to go back to work .

[chrisv]

Hi everyone, day six and seven both days tested negative, thank the Lord, back to work , hope anyone with covid recovers soon, take care.

[zac_a]

jakethesnake:
I am really surprised to hear you say that. I would like to know which videos you found to be negative.

It was a while ago and I don’t remember which ones, but basically as soon as I saw who it was I said to myself “Oh, not him again…”

I would say exactly the opposite about Dr Campbell. He always looks at the positive side rather than the negative and always apologises if he gets it wrong. He is known for giving correct information.

Considering the misinformation circulating on the t’inty web, there will always be some segment of the online community who will accept it as correct

You say you found this particular video was scaremongering. Look at the details, Dr. Campbell was only making people aware of what these scientists had been doing and asking why they had been doing this as it was totally unnecessary.

Most of what most scientists do could easily be seen by the average person as “unnecessary”, including most of my PhD thesis. Hence my point about “pure science”, the fact is we NEVER know WHERE the next important discovery is going to come from, so all knowledge is potentially valuable.

This was not made public for scaremongering but there had been rumours about what these American scientists were doing and he was informing his viewers with what had been going on.

You can’t say what his motivation was for making his video, unless he’s a close personal friend of yours.

And no, I didn’t watch his whole video, why would I? I don’t need him to provide a biased view of a pre-peer-review publication, I’m well versed in reading scientific papers and identifying the relevant details, I used to do that for a living at one time. Additionally I’m still good friends with a former colleague from my academia days, who has been been very involved in “covid” research, so if I wanted another view on a paper we can all read for ourselves, I’d have a beer with him and chew the scientific facts.

Here’s the pre-print prior to peer review. It should hopefully be reasonably clear that the work was not unnecessary, they have found some very interesting results and it will inform future research.
biorxiv.org/content/10.1101 … 134v1.full

As for Stu, WAKE UP.

Ah… I think Stu is far too dyed-in-the-wool now

[robroy]

dozy:
Another day , another positive , doctor doesn’t seem very confident as he’s issued a sick note for 2 weeks , good the agency pay statuary sick pay or I’d have to go back to work .

Didn’t think it would be a problem doze, I thought you told us that you just worked for ‘pin money’.

[jakethesnake]

Well Zac, I’m not really surprised you don’t remember the negative videos so we will leave that one as it is but I am fairly sure you are in a very small minority with that thought.

I agree plenty of misinformation on the web however Dr Campbell is renowned for giving and telling the truth if you care to check.

Rergarding scientists delving into this work I presume what Dr Campbell is alluding to is the fact it may get into the wrong hands or escape from the lab as some seem to think the Wuhan one did and not that it was totally unecessary work. I am sure there is a lot to be learned from what they are doing but from a public safety point of view, not so sure.

You think he is biased? Well I disagree. He is a very fair and honest man, well respected from top medical professionals all around the world.

I feel you dislike Dr Campbell for whatever reason and that is your prerogative but I will stick to my own view on him rather than believe one from a lorry driver on a truck forum.

[justpassing]

Can’t believe your still talking about convid it doesn’t exist never did you’ve been well and truly had and your still bleeting on about it get over the myth and move on

[yorkshire_tramper]

justpassing:
Can’t believe your still talking about convid it doesn’t exist never did you’ve been well and truly had and your still bleeting on about it get over the myth and move on

Most ridiculous quote I have heard, Covid of course is a real thing or ilness. How do you explain away the thousands of deaths and the countless people who have been ill from it? If it was hoax, I doubt the NHS would have been in on it. Crazy to think otherwise.

[justpassing]

Yorkshire Tramper:

justpassing:
Can’t believe your still talking about convid it doesn’t exist never did you’ve been well and truly had and your still bleeting on about it get over the myth and move on

Most ridiculous quote I have heard, Covid of course is a real thing or ilness. How do you explain away the thousands of deaths and the countless people who have been ill from it? If it was hoax, I doubt the NHS would have been in on it. Crazy to think otherwise.

You might believe it stuck in a coach with a load of wheezing coffin dodgers but there’s plenty that don’t you still wearing a mask ?

[yorkshire_tramper]

justpassing:
You might believe it stuck in a coach with a load of wheezing coffin dodgers but there’s plenty that don’t you still wearing a mask ?

Oddly enough no, however I am fully vaccinated so not too concerned over it. I do prefer to call them passengers rather than coffin dodgers to be honest. It is still possible to catch Covid as many still are but the effects appear less serious now.