Companies robbing drivers!

[andrewg]

Darkside:

Big money in haulage either side of the counter is long gone.

Big money is still there, you just need to know how to extract it. Apart from one Hungarian haulier we dont do work for other transport companies as subbing generally pays peanuts. We work for quarries and mines direct without even getting the tyres dirty, pulling their product as well as doing other aspects of their work cheaper than they could do it in large quantity pulls the revenue in. If something doesnt pay the required rates its avoided, this allows for decent pay for the driver as well as top spec trucks.
I pulled in some extra work a while back but paid the driver 14eur /21eur and 30 night out, if i couldnt afford to do that i would have turned the work down. Problem being some companies take on such low paid crap which has had the guts ripped out of any decent starting rate along the chain its inevitively passed down to the little guy at the end in the form of ■■■■■ wages…

[olog_hai]

Butcher:
However, Mr Williams does raise a point. Truck drivers are often parked up by 4 o clock in the afternoon , mainly due to retarded transport planners who promise the customer the earth, without a second thought for the truck driver having to spend the night in a ■■■■ ridden service station with a reefer running all night.

So parked up by 1600hrs because the traffic office is ‘retarded’, as you charmingly put it, or a Saturday night working as a nurse in the local A&E.

I know which one I would choose and I take my hat off to those who become nurses. Not only do they have to deal with a world of unpleasantness, they are among the 186 NHS staff who are attached every DAY according to today’s paper.

Lorry driving and nursing do not compare in any way, and for that we should be very thankful given some of the specimens that choose the former occupation.

[captain_caveman_76]

truckman020:

kcrussell25:

Williams9881:
What’s the difference between lorry drivers and nurses? Since when was giving a few injections and wiping ■■■ a hard job? We have to put up with high stress isolation and no social life.

We also have the benefit of being able to go out work on shift and lose our licenses and go to prison…

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You think a nurse won’t go to prison if they make a mistake that kills someone??

If you find isolation stressful I would suggest your in the wrong job. Personally its the isolation that appeals.

although I don’t have time for teachers I do feel sorry for them in this day and age dealing with the youth of today,in my time teachers never took any crap off pupils,throwing blackboard rubbers at you for talking,grabbing you by the hair/ears and kicking you out the class,caning,etc,try doing that nowadays

dailymail.co.uk/news/article … le-4415104

Misbehaving pupils are the least of a teachers worries!

[williams9881]

Why do I find it stressful? I don’t until I get sent to central London.

Everyone knows it can be really stressful at times…

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[fatboy_slimslow]

OVLOV JAY:
Personally I believe nurses, firefighters, police and soldiers all deserve a hell of a lot more than they get. After all, they’re the first people Joe Public call on when the crap hits the fans. Considering how much other public sector workers get, like council officials or social workers etc, it’s quite scandalous how little they get

all four of those get paid out of out tax! then the tax man taxes them. he’s one fat barsteward that tax man! how do I become a tax man?

[commonrail]

Get a job with a firm that don’t go to London.

[mdourish]

Williams9881:
Why do I find it stressful? I don’t until I get sent to central London.

Everyone knows it can be really stressful at times…

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But I’d rather take central London than being a nurse

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[soldier_z]

Williams9881:
Just came across this job after searching for isotank trampers. I don’t think this was for tramping but why is it ok for companies to rob drivers. We are after all the people who make these logistics companies there money!!!

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Presumably the wage works out ok for over 400 employees already employed there?

[discoman]

What’s the different between you and an unemployed person? That’s right you are the mug who works 60 hours a week sitting on your arse … to earn less than a dude sitting on his arse indoors.

If you can’t tell the difference between a nurse and a non skilled job like a truck driver well more fool you. I have never seen a nurse qualify in 1 week. It’s 3/4 years. Risk of assault everyday. Dealing with death and other traumas … yes they chose to do the job but you can’t compare driving in the same breath.

[discoman]

Williams9881:
Why do I find it stressful? I don’t until I get sent to central London.

Everyone knows it can be really stressful at times…

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A real driver can drive in any city … London is no different from Manchester Leeds Birmingham etc. just an excuse using stress. If you can’t handle all aspects of the job leave it.

[franglais]

Firstly about the original post:
VolvoJay said: “The days of £1k a week in every third job are long gone” and “the ADR is your ticket to these better paid jobs. Might only be a couple of grand a year, but it’s dangerous goods, not a dangerous job”. Ive gotta agree with that. Pay in transport in the UK isnt what it was. It used to be one of the better paid “working class” jobs. It isnt any more. We can argue about how is WAS, how it SHOULD be, how we WISH it was, but that IS how it IS. There are still some well paid jobs out there, but they dont seem as common as they once were. If you think ADR pay is for dangerous work youre doing the job wrong. There is a bit more to it, and if youre taking time out, and paying for your own ticket then it should pay more, but in most cases that wont be a 50% increase. Argue about what it SHOULD be, or point to odd exceptions if you want, thats how it IS.
Secondly Regional differences:
ignoring London (lots of bankers, few truckers)
Wages S.E. has a median wage of over £650, the N.E. under £500.
Unemployment S.E. 3.4% N.E. 6.4%
Those calling others “Fools” for working to support their families at a less than perfect wage, instead of choosing to go the dole, should maybe count their blessings at being in high employment, high wage areas.
Thirdly Nurses etc:
A lot of what nurses used to do regards toileting is now done by HCAs (Health Crae Assistants) the aka Auxiliaries. Nurses still get their hands dirty for sure, but maybe not as much as before. HCAs earn £15k to £18k. Not a lot for a caring role is it? Nurses and HCAs earn every penny they get.
Remember THAT when you next vote for a politician promising tax cuts! Your few quid extra per month is less pay every month for them.
Companies robbing drivers? If they are, maybe they are equally robbing all of their core workers, to pay extra dividends to share-holders and higher executives. There is an argument to be had there, but I`m gonna get a coffee now.

[robroy]

Why are you even having this pointless and ridiculous debate about the comparison of drivers with nurses ?

Why is it always, when somebody mentions crap pay for drivers, you always get somebody as an example, using the lowest common denominator pay rate for butchers, bakers, and ■■■■ candle stick makers, or in this case nurses, to JUSTIFY why many drivers are on a low rate of pay.
Let those other trades sort themselves out, and concentrate on your own job and trade type…ie HGV driving.

Also when was there ever a corrolation between how long job training takes, or amount of hard manual work with how much someone earns.

The pay is rubbish for a number of reasons.
The main one being, it’s a very competitive trade, the rates are shot to ribbons to compete, and unfortunately the co.s in their infinite wisdom make their drivers subsidise these low transport rates on their backs, not the co.directors, and/or those in non jobs, they keep their excellent salaries and BMWs …how long was their job training?

So it brings us back to the tired old conversation of drivers sticking together and/or Unions…yawn ■■■■ yawn.

Unions are frowned upon today, mostly down to Conservative propoganda to suit their agenda.
Not only that, but these views are swallowed wholeheartedly by naive members of the working classes, and are even repeated and regurgitated by such members (read the views on threads on Unions on here)

Secondly most drivers have not got the will, intention or balls and backbone to stand up for their individual selves, let alone stick together as a group, so there we have the situation as it is now, long hours for low pay structures, which result as an incentive to work those long hours to earn a living wage…clever eh?
Then we get the ‘‘But I’m on GOOD money me’’
My standard answer to that is.
‘‘No you aint, you worked 70 hours to earn what you should for 50…get ■■■■ real’’ .

So all I can say guys is, the ball is in your court, if you have no intention of actively trying to change things as a group, the only thing to do (and I say this not to cause offence here btw) is to crack on with it and shut the ■■■■ up about it.

[kr79]

Williams9881:
What’s the difference between lorry drivers and nurses? Since when was giving a few injections and wiping ■■■ a hard job? We have to put up with high stress isolation and no social life.

We also have the benefit of being able to go out work on shift and lose our licenses and go to prison…

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It’s ■■■■ like this that reminds me why I try and avoid talking to lorry drivers

[williams9881]

robroy:
Why are you even having this pointless and ridiculous debate about the comparison of drivers with nurses ?

Why is it always, when somebody mentions crap pay for drivers, you always get somebody as an example, using the lowest common denominator pay rate for butchers, bakers, and [zb] candle stick makers, or in this case nurses, to JUSTIFY why many drivers are on a low rate of pay.
Let those other trades sort themselves out, and concentrate on your own job and trade type…ie HGV driving.

Also when was there ever a corrolation between how long job training takes, or amount of hard manual work with how much someone earns.

The pay is rubbish for a number of reasons.
The main one being, it’s a very competitive trade, the rates are shot to ribbons to compete, and unfortunately the co.s in their infinite wisdom make their drivers subsidise these low transport rates on their backs, not the co.directors, and/or those in non jobs, they keep their excellent salaries and BMWs …how long was their job training?

So it brings us back to the tired old conversation of drivers sticking together and/or Unions…yawn [zb] yawn.

Unions are frowned upon today, mostly down to Conservative propoganda to suit their agenda.
Not only that, but these views are swallowed wholeheartedly by naive members of the working classes, and are even repeated and regurgitated by such members (read the views on threads on Unions on here)

Secondly most drivers have not got the will, intention or balls and backbone to stand up for their individual selves, let alone stick together as a group, so there we have the situation as it is now, long hours for low pay structures, which result as an incentive to work those long hours to earn a living wage…clever eh?
Then we get the ‘‘But I’m on GOOD money me’’
My standard answer to that is.
‘‘No you aint, you worked 70 hours to earn what you should for 50…get [zb] real’’ .

So all I can say guys is, the ball is in your court, if you have no intention of actively trying to change things as a group, the only thing to do (and I say this not to cause offence here btw) is to crack on with it and shut the [zb] up about it.

Well said.

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[m_a_n_rules]

williams9881, my mrs is a nurse and I showed her your op. I then asked her to write a response to which she replied what’s the point he’s obviously a man of some ignorance it wouldn’t mean anything to him. which I totally agree with. and this was after she had just finished a 13 hour shift looking after 42 people with severe dementure and 1 death.
she’s not a hero or a angel she’s just somebody who has commited her working life to looking after others and not moaning about the slightest thing 'and trust me there are real issue’s to moan about in her job.
and finally nurse’s don’t tend to wipe arse’s nowaday’s the carer’s do that and they are even more underpaid and under valued than nurse’s.
hth from a very proud man for what she and her colleague’s do.

[own_account_driver]

Ok, own up, who’s switched on the bell end magnet again?

[robroy]

Own Account Driver:
Ok, own up, who’s switched on the bell end magnet again?

Which member (no pun intended ) are you referring to exactly??

[m_a_n_rules]

robroy:

Own Account Driver:
Ok, own up, who’s switched on the bell end magnet again?

Which member (no pun intended ) are you referring to exactly??

I was wondering that myself.

[williams9881]

m.a.n rules:
williams9881, my mrs is a nurse and I showed her your op. I then asked her to write a response to which she replied what’s the point he’s obviously a man of some ignorance it wouldn’t mean anything to him. which I totally agree with. and this was after she had just finished a 13 hour shift looking after 42 people with severe dementure and 1 death.
she’s not a hero or a angel she’s just somebody who has commited her working life to looking after others and not moaning about the slightest thing 'and trust me there are real issue’s to moan about in her job.
and finally nurse’s don’t tend to wipe arse’s nowaday’s the carer’s do that and they are even more underpaid and under valued than nurse’s.
hth from a very proud man for what she and her colleague’s do.

Now where did I say I don’t appreciate what they do■■? Someone mentioned he doesn’t understand why lorry drivers think they should earn more than nurses or teachers.

I came back with an ignorant reply and now the thread has turned into a driver vs nurse thread.

Nurses chose there under paid career just as we chose ours.

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[olog_hai]

Own Account Driver:
Ok, own up, who’s switched on the bell end magnet again?

Bank Holiday weekend, weather not brilliant, not a lot on the TV…