milodon:
Andrejs:
10000 euro per month for move not own trailer not bad money gor vompany.Not all Uk truck earn 9000pound per month…But about Bulgarian truck.Old truck can be as well in good condition.And 1-2 years nice looking truck can be with ready naked brake pads,bad tyres.For Walters work not only Bulgarian.
10 grand a month for how many trucks a month? 
Including 30% VAT maybe.
About the Bulgarian trucks - I don’t know what reality you are living in, but the heaps of junk the Bulgarians drive can only be described as such. Granted they keep the worst examples in Scandinavia, as there are fewer checkpoints.
In Europe average charge about 1 eiro per kilometr.If done 10000 km per month that total monthly earning will be about 10K without VAT.
Andrejs:
In Europe average charge about 1 eiro per kilometr.If done 10000 km per month that total monthly earning will be about 10K without VAT.
Care to elaborate? That would be for what? Pulling someones trailer? I bloody well doubt it. Pulling your own fridge? Mnyeah, probably.
the nodding donkey:
spacemanZ10:
Slightly off tack but we now have to swallow a 45.00 charge per delivery to the EU from Jan21 and probably reduce prices in case if tariffs just to ensure our customers don’t move to German or other EU27 suppliers. Don’t get me started on the extra hassle of selling to northern ireland now and the import side. Ah well at least we have blue passports and our fish back.
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Fish? Back?
The fish this country eats (cod, haddock, similar white fish), comes from the Atlantic , and some from the North sea. Quota permitting, we can already catch that anyway. But we dont, because moby in the UK wanted to invest in the trawlers needed for that kind of fishing. Instead, the UK Fisher men concentrate on the inshore species, like crab and other shell fish, which have no market in the UK, but are popular in Europe. And guess what, because theres not much white fish to be caught in UK waters, what did UK fishermen do??
Go on, guess…
They sold their Quotas to European fishermen…
98% of the Welsh quota was sold to a Dutch firm, and is fished by a single trawler…
Tbh I couldn’t give a F&&k about fishing they let enough other industries go to the wall over the years, and now for the sake of sovereignty we are adding more red tape and bureaucracy! Hey ho. Glad I won’t be queuing in kent anytime soon.
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I think you will find that fishing isnt the real agenda. Its more thats its being used as a bargaining chip by both sides.
We will surrender fishing rights at the very last hour in return for something big and juicy such as a trade deal that favours the UK.
msgyorkie:
I think you will find that fishing isnt the real agenda. Its more thats its being used as a bargaining chip by both sides.
We will surrender fishing rights at the very last hour in return for something big and juicy such as a trade deal that favours the UK.
Do you think that a deal that “favours the UK” is likely at all? Really?
I would say not. That would be politically and practically a loss for the EU and every member state of it.
It aint gonna happen. Period. Any deal that comes will undoubtedly be called a massive victory* but in reality the best likely outcome is a level free trade deal. You know? Just like everyone else in the world wants with the EU. Like the one weve ripped up.
But on fishing: it has become so totemic any deal which sees a single fisherman moaning will be jumped on by the Farageists and “news” sites as a sell out. It has become so big it carries too much weight.
But whats new? We had just over half the referendum vote in favour of Brexit. That was after campaign promising good trade deals after easy negotiations. We are now teetering on the edge of a WTO exit which was hardly spoken of at the time, and I suspect wasnt on many peoples radar at voting time. But, here we are…
*Liz Truss has signed deals which so far all mirror or roll over EU deals, all called wins by the Gov, but in reality all vanilla flavour.
The French muppet thinks he is a tough guy.After over 4 years of arguing they still dont get it.I think the EU has been negotiating in bad faith.
The French muppet thinks he is a tough guy.After over 4 years of arguing they still dont get it.I think the EU has been negotiating in bad faith.
WheelsofCardiff:
The French muppet thinks he is a tough guy.After over 4 years of arguing they still dont get it.I think the EU has been negotiating in bad faith.
The English muppet hasn`t shut up woffling long enough to even start thinking yet.
After 4 years nothing here is ready. This was all started by whom? And who is the least prepared?
Bad faith? Which Government raised a bill trying to welch on a barely one year old deal?
Franglais:
WheelsofCardiff:
The French muppet thinks he is a tough guy.After over 4 years of arguing they still dont get it.I think the EU has been negotiating in bad faith.
The English muppet hasn`t shut up woffling long enough to even start thinking yet.
After 4 years nothing here is ready. This was all started by whom? And who is the least prepared?
Bad faith? Which Government raised a bill trying to welch on a barely one year old deal?
But if parliament had worked to set Brexit in motion when the vote was done instead of bickering and backing someone who was using the courts to overturn a democratic vote(ironic how Labour MP’s mock Trump for doing the same), then Brexit could have been done by now, Boris wouldn’t be PM and we’d be moving on the constant obstruction by parliament has put us where we are now
Mazzer2:
Franglais:
WheelsofCardiff:
The French muppet thinks he is a tough guy.After over 4 years of arguing they still dont get it.I think the EU has been negotiating in bad faith.
The English muppet hasn`t shut up woffling long enough to even start thinking yet.
After 4 years nothing here is ready. This was all started by whom? And who is the least prepared?
Bad faith? Which Government raised a bill trying to welch on a barely one year old deal?
But if parliament had worked to set Brexit in motion when the vote was done instead of bickering and backing someone who was using the courts to overturn a democratic vote(ironic how Labour MP’s mock Trump for doing the same), then Brexit could have been done by now, Boris wouldn’t be PM and we’d be moving on the constant obstruction by parliament has put us where we are now
Are you suggesting that Gina Miller was enough to stop the UK Gov?
You must have a lower opinion of them than me! 
“Brexit done”? Since there never was a hard idea about was Brexit was, apart from the negative of “something that is different than here”, what is a good Brexit anyway? Why is your, or Johnsons, idea of what it is so different from Mays?
If Brexit was the idea that we would have a better deal, after easy negotiations, then it has already failed
Blame who you want, a deal was there under May, but the ERG and others voted it down. Brexit sabotaged by the nutter wing of the Tory party.
Will the ERG suffer under WTO? Will Farage`s mates suffer?
Parliament making obstructions? Some advocacy for democracy there. Parliament is not a rubber stamp for a Prime Minister, Party or an idea.
Franglais:
Mazzer2:
Franglais:
WheelsofCardiff:
The French muppet thinks he is a tough guy.After over 4 years of arguing they still dont get it.I think the EU has been negotiating in bad faith.
The English muppet hasn`t shut up woffling long enough to even start thinking yet.
After 4 years nothing here is ready. This was all started by whom? And who is the least prepared?
Bad faith? Which Government raised a bill trying to welch on a barely one year old deal?
But if parliament had worked to set Brexit in motion when the vote was done instead of bickering and backing someone who was using the courts to overturn a democratic vote(ironic how Labour MP’s mock Trump for doing the same), then Brexit could have been done by now, Boris wouldn’t be PM and we’d be moving on the constant obstruction by parliament has put us where we are now
Are you suggesting that Gina Miller was enough to stop the UK Gov?
You must have a lower opinion of them than me!
“Brexit done”? Since there never was a hard idea about was Brexit was, apart from the negative of “something that is different than here”, what is a good Brexit anyway? Why is your, or Johnsons, idea of what it is so different from Mays?
If Brexit was the idea that we would have a better deal, after easy negotiations, then it has already failed
Blame who you want, a deal was there under May, but the ERG and others voted it down. Brexit sabotaged by the nutter wing of the Tory party.
Will the ERG suffer under WTO? Will Farage`s mates suffer?
Parliament making obstructions? Some advocacy for democracy there. Parliament is not a rubber stamp for a Prime Minister, Party or an idea.
No Gina Millar couldn’t have stopped the government but it was a delaying tactic, as for parliament being an advocacy for democracy the vote was cast and because it wasn’t the result they wanted some MP’s did their best to obstruct it, remember the vote to have the referendum was passed with a majority by MP’s on all sides of the house, with most thinking that the plebs would just do as they were told, if Labour MP’s had canvassed their constituents beforehand they might not have passed the legislation for the vote as they would have realised that it was not a dead cert for remain.
As for the ERG suffering do you think the current set up was working for the working class if so then you’re as out of touch as the average MP, for some it was an opportunity to stick two fingers up to the political class and they took it, MP’s of all parties have only themselves to blame for the current situation for consistently ignoring a large part of the electorate and taking their votes as a given.
Mazzer2:
No Gina Millar couldn’t have stopped the government but it was a delaying tactic, as for parliament being an advocacy for democracy the vote was cast and because it wasn’t the result they wanted some MP’s did their best to obstruct it, remember the vote to have the referendum was passed with a majority by MP’s on all sides of the house, with most thinking that the plebs would just do as they were told, if Labour MP’s had canvassed their constituents beforehand they might not have passed the legislation for the vote as they would have realised that it was not a dead cert for remain.
As for the ERG suffering do you think the current set up was working for the working class if so then you’re as out of touch as the average MP, for some it was an opportunity to stick two fingers up to the political class and they took it, MP’s of all parties have only themselves to blame for the current situation for consistently ignoring a large part of the electorate and taking their votes as a given.
How did Miller delay anything? Her court case wouldnt have stopped any planning or negotiating. The Gov has more than enough lawyers, and no political brains would have been much involved. All done and dusted including appeals in Jan 2017. Even a Government is not above the law after all, another aspect of democracy. Youre right that the current set up doesnt do any favours for the working class. Seems to me that the free market WTO deal we are looking at will be worse than the current set up though. Ever stop to consider why Rees-Mogg and his hedge fund buddies, Johnson and his mates who think £140k is a pittance, Farage and pal Arron Banks, Murdoch, etc are all in favour of Brexit? It aint to help theenme.
Are many politicians prats? Yes. No reason to vote for a bad idea though.
“Sticking two fingers up to the political class” looks like doing what the short term “investors” want more than the long manufactuers who really do invest in money, time, and jobs for the long term. Not those wheeler dealers who make personal money out of a country`s losses.
The Gina Miller case was just another case of people with money thinking they can change things even against a majority, look who her backers were.
If parliament had done it’s job a better deal would have gone through and it would have been done before now, if the ERG refused to vote for the Canada + that was offered then there were enough MP’s in parliament to have got it through, but Labour didn’t know what it wanted and then paid heavily for it at the last election. If that had gone through Boris wouldn’t be PM and you’d have had an election early next year where Labour might have a chance of winning providing they ditched Corbyn, so yes MP’s of all parties have to shoulder the blame, no point in voting for a referendum if you aren’t going to then follow through on the result, as I said Labour and the liberal elite had the mentality that the public would do as they were told and then were shocked when they didn’t not that Labour has given a toss about the working class thinks in at least the last 20 years.
Franglais:
Mazzer2:
Franglais:
WheelsofCardiff:
The French muppet thinks he is a tough guy.After over 4 years of arguing they still dont get it.I think the EU has been negotiating in bad faith.
The English muppet hasn`t shut up woffling long enough to even start thinking yet.
After 4 years nothing here is ready. This was all started by whom? And who is the least prepared?
Bad faith? Which Government raised a bill trying to welch on a barely one year old deal?
But if parliament had worked to set Brexit in motion when the vote was done instead of bickering and backing someone who was using the courts to overturn a democratic vote(ironic how Labour MP’s mock Trump for doing the same), then Brexit could have been done by now, Boris wouldn’t be PM and we’d be moving on the constant obstruction by parliament has put us where we are now
Are you suggesting that Gina Miller was enough to stop the UK Gov?
You must have a lower opinion of them than me!
“Brexit done”? Since there never was a hard idea about was Brexit was, apart from the negative of “something that is different than here”, what is a good Brexit anyway? Why is your, or Johnsons, idea of what it is so different from Mays?
If Brexit was the idea that we would have a better deal, after easy negotiations, then it has already failed
Blame who you want, a deal was there under May, but the ERG and others voted it down. Brexit sabotaged by the nutter wing of the Tory party.
Will the ERG suffer under WTO? Will Farage`s mates suffer?
Parliament making obstructions? Some advocacy for democracy there. Parliament is not a rubber stamp for a Prime Minister, Party or an idea.
Exactly! Leavers wanted it. Any objections were project fear, now when it doesn’t go to plan blame those who didnt vote for it? [emoji38][emoji38]
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spacemanZ10:
Exactly! Leavers wanted it. Any objections were project fear, now when it doesn’t go to plan blame those who didnt vote for it? [emoji38][emoji38]
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MP’s of all parties voted for the legislation to put the referendum in place, confident of a remain vote if they weren’t so out of touch they might have an idea of how the vote was going to go and then could have amended the legislation or not voted for it, I don’t blame people who voted remain that is the whole point of a vote for people to express their preference but I do blame the MP’s of all parties who put the vote in place and then refused to carry out the result and put politicking over getting the job done.
Mazzer2:
MSN
“Agree that they have been discredited due to their recent inaccuracies yet it is amazing how all the MSM outlets still take them as gospel, on Radio5 this morning a Labour MP said in her constituency there has been no change of peoples minds towards Brexit and she as a remain voter believed that a second referendum would produce the same result as the first one and that a second referendum was a non starter yet according to opinion polls the country is clamouring for it. Yet talking to most people I know be they remain or leave all they want is for politicians to get on with it and get a good deal when we leave.”
Mazzer2 03/03/19
But you`re happy enough to quote this Mirror poll now?
What about these?
Sept 2020 “Just 28% of people think the government is handling Britain’s exit from the EU well, compared to 61% who think the government is handling it badly.” “Once uncertain voters are removed from the total, the poll suggests 56% think Brexit was a mistake compared to 44% who still think it was right.”
businessinsider.fr/us/brexi … -eu-2020-9
YouGov poll
Dec 2020 “Britain is heading for a hard Brexit. Voters now prefer none at all”
economist.com/graphic-detai … one-at-all
A Nat Cen poll
And this metapoll from 2012 until now is interesting
whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/i … ou-vote-2/
And from your post above do you think we look like getting a good deal?
In general elections we often are promised a big move in a particular direction, but we only move half way.
In 2016 we voted after a campaign promising a good deal, after easy negotiations. We are now looking at a distinct possibility of no deal. A promise of a move a bit away, but now a move a long way away is on the cards. Very different to votes after GEs.
I always have a good laugh whenever anyone quotes an opinion poll. Only the gullible and the desperate believe these things.
Franglais:
Mazzer2:
MSN
“Agree that they have been discredited due to their recent inaccuracies yet it is amazing how all the MSM outlets still take them as gospel, on Radio5 this morning a Labour MP said in her constituency there has been no change of peoples minds towards Brexit and she as a remain voter believed that a second referendum would produce the same result as the first one and that a second referendum was a non starter yet according to opinion polls the country is clamouring for it. Yet talking to most people I know be they remain or leave all they want is for politicians to get on with it and get a good deal when we leave.”
Mazzer2 03/03/19
But you`re happy enough to quote this Mirror poll now?
What about these?
Sept 2020 “Just 28% of people think the government is handling Britain’s exit from the EU well, compared to 61% who think the government is handling it badly.” “Once uncertain voters are removed from the total, the poll suggests 56% think Brexit was a mistake compared to 44% who still think it was right.”
businessinsider.fr/us/brexi … -eu-2020-9
YouGov poll
Dec 2020 “Britain is heading for a hard Brexit. Voters now prefer none at all”
economist.com/graphic-detai … one-at-all
A Nat Cen poll
And this metapoll from 2012 until now is interesting
whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/i … ou-vote-2/
And from your post above do you think we look like getting a good deal?
In general elections we often are promised a big move in a particular direction, but we only move half way.
In 2016 we voted after a campaign promising a good deal, after easy negotiations. We are now looking at a distinct possibility of no deal. A promise of a move a bit away, but now a move a long way away is on the cards. Very different to votes after GEs.
I know school boy error using a link when involved in any discussion with you, didn’t see any of the others this one came up yesterday on MSN’s newsfeed and is also the most up to date
Why don’t you two get a joint cabin. smear each other in Marmite and lick each other to death - or until Brexit happens… (never )