Go on prove us all wrong I bet people thought bob Paul was mental when he done his first run as astran.
Still it’s easier to sit behind a keyboard and give what ifs.
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
195 because?It beats 100 unless they need to make it a round figure of 200.Although having said that maybe a just a doubles roadtrain would be more acceptable in euroland as an LHV no point in upsetting them.In which case it still beats 100 boxes.
Keep taking the medication old bean, should kick in soon
You are a sad man Geoffrey
Far from upsetting wheelnut it gives me something to be amused with, a bit like teasing a tiny puppy who just keeps coming back for more 
Geoff. Have you seen the newspaper today?
You maybe need to be opening your mams ■■■■■ for her.
kr79:
Go on prove us all wrong I bet people thought bob Paul was mental when he done his first run as astran.
Still it’s easier to sit behind a keyboard and give what ifs.
How difficult can it be.The route is easy.But sorting the rest like the customers,EU type approval for the wagon and waiting for the EU to allow LHV’s etc etc etc,would take a bit longer probably past my state pension date. 
Wheel Nut:
Geoff. Have you seen the newspaper today?You maybe need to be opening your mams ■■■■■ for her.
The establishment must have been reading the Savile topic.Either the royal medical examiner was lying or she actually told him to zb off because she was already spoken for by an older bloke.
Although the story doesn’t sound right because she certainly had met Charles long before 1980 and if she’d only just met him after 1980 that wouldn’t have given her long to get to know him then get engaged and marry him in 1981.
Carryfast:
Wheel Nut:
Geoff. Have you seen the newspaper today?You maybe need to be opening your mams ■■■■■ for her.
The establishment must have been reading the Savile topic.Either the royal medical examiner was lying or she actually told him to zb off because she was already spoken for by an older bloke.
Although the story doesn’t sound right because she certainly had met Charles long before 1980 and if she’d only just met him after 1980 that wouldn’t have given her long to get to know him then get engaged and marry him in 1981.
There is new evidence of BBC involvement, Johnnie Walker is sat in the corner
The blokes name is Adam Russell and his great grandfather was Stanley Baldwin Prime Minister
Carryfast:
kr79:
Go on prove us all wrong I bet people thought bob Paul was mental when he done his first run as astran.
Still it’s easier to sit behind a keyboard and give what ifs.How difficult can it be.The route is easy.But sorting the rest like the customers,EU type approval for the wagon and waiting for the EU to allow LHV’s etc etc etc,would take a bit longer probably past my state pension date.
That’s not the attitude Geoffrey if bob Paul thought like that astran would have never got off the ground. Where’s your sense if adventure.
kr79:
Carryfast:
kr79:
Go on prove us all wrong I bet people thought bob Paul was mental when he done his first run as astran.
Still it’s easier to sit behind a keyboard and give what ifs.How difficult can it be.The route is easy.But sorting the rest like the customers,EU type approval for the wagon and waiting for the EU to allow LHV’s etc etc etc,would take a bit longer probably past my state pension date.
That’s not the attitude Geoffrey if bob Paul thought like that astran would have never got off the ground. Where’s your sense if adventure.
But Bob Paul probably wasn’t this close to retirement age and definitely wasn’t trying to drive a ‘coach and horses’ through the regulations concerning ‘LHV’s’ being allowed in Europe and trying to take Schenkers rail freight customers in Germany running freight to China like BMW and in China running freight to Germany away from them.
But that Ozzy KW pulling two or three 40 ft containers with UK-European-Orient Express Transport written on it’s doors would look great on the front page of CM. 
Wheel Nut:
Carryfast:
Wheel Nut:
Geoff. Have you seen the newspaper today?You maybe need to be opening your mams ■■■■■ for her.
The establishment must have been reading the Savile topic.Either the royal medical examiner was lying or she actually told him to zb off because she was already spoken for by an older bloke.
Although the story doesn’t sound right because she certainly had met Charles long before 1980 and if she’d only just met him after 1980 that wouldn’t have given her long to get to know him then get engaged and marry him in 1981.
There is new evidence of BBC involvement, Johnnie Walker is sat in the corner
The blokes name is Adam Russell and his great grandfather was Stanley Baldwin Prime Minister
Which just leaves that all important question did he or didn’t he and was she or wasn’t she before she married Charles.It’s my bet that she told him to zb off she was already spoken for when he tried it on.Because as everyone knew back then every bird preferred an older bloke because they’d been brainwashed by seeing it on TOTP.
No he just done something no one beloved possible. Got through all the obstacles placed in his way. A bit of British spirit and backbone not just giving what ifs online.
kr79:
No he just done something no one beloved possible. Got through all the obstacles placed in his way. A bit of British spirit and backbone not just giving what ifs online.
Blimey kr be fair that’s a bit more than a few ‘obstacles’ in the way which I’ve listed there.
Carryfast:
How difficult can it be.The route is easy.
Well, where do we begin…
I suppose its just the same as driving round Paris at 65mph and making the 17:15 boat from Calais…
Astran started be going somewhere there wasn’t even roads to no customs agreements no phones or Internet to help in a day cab guy with a Gardner 150 under it I’d call that a few obsiticles.
Some people are doers others are I could if it wasn’t for!!!
kr79:
Astran started be going somewhere there wasn’t even roads to no customs agreements no phones or Internet to help in a day cab guy with a Gardner 150 under it I’d call that a few obsiticles.
Some people are doers others are I could if it wasn’t for!!!
But using an existing legal spec outfit,with an already existing customer base and demand,with no competition from other modes,to run down through Turkey (which certainly did involve roads up to that point ) at 1970’s road fuel costs,or at least a less draconian enforcement system in the case of using red,and then over a few miles of desert,still ain’t the same thing as starting up a road haulage service running between Europe and China,in direct competition,with an already up and running,with an existing customer base,DB Schenker rail freight operation.
In addition to which is the fact that the wagons,which as I’ve said,would be up to the job aren’t exactly cheap to buy and are totally illegal to be used on European roads ( mostly because of the EU’s wish to make sure that road transport can’t compete with the rail freight industry ) and who knows in the case of running an Ozzy road train through Russia and in China.
It’s my bet that even those ‘doers’ you’re describing,like those who ran to the Middle East,would say all that could be done if it wasn’t for.Especially if they were this close to retirement age at the time. 
As for customs agreements as far as I know the TIR convention covered most of the old Middle East routes up to the destination countries like Saudi etc borders.The same applies in the case of Russia with China now asking to join too.
Having said all that if it ever did happen at least those hypocritical zb’s in the rail freight industry couldn’t use the bs green fuel efficiency argument against the competition from road.Considering the fact that they seem to see no problem with switching freight from the far more fuel efficient mode of sea onto the less efficient mode of rail using the same tonne/mile per gallon figures which they use to bash the road transport industry with.
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
How difficult can it be.The route is easy.Well, where do we begin…
That’s what seperates those doers that kr was referring to.
No need to justify it Carry old chap we know you never were a dooer simply from your inability to get a euro job in its heyday
I am not sure that Mike Woodman had a customer base, it seemed more like wing and prayer logistics, they certainly had a sense of adventure and a couldn’t care less attitude to danger, breakdowns or politics. The TIR Carnet ran out in Turkey not Saudi. They didn’t go to Saudi for their first three trips, only as far as Kabul. It was an interesting start for an ex serviceman and a dentist
Wheel Nut:
I am not sure that Mike Woodman had a customer base, it seemed more like wing and prayer logistics, they certainly had a sense of adventure and a couldn’t care less attitude to danger, breakdowns or politics. The TIR Carnet ran out in Turkey not Saudi. They didn’t go to Saudi for their first three trips, only as far as Kabul. It was an interesting start for an ex serviceman and a dentist
Perhaps he just got bored with drilling teeth all day.
It was still probably a lot easier to sort out a market share for that service at that time than what I’ve been describing now and it seems obvious that the EU wouldn’t upset the big German rail freight interests by allowing competition from the type of operation which I’ve been describing. Just like in the case of allowing competition between road and rail throughout Europe. No surprise there. 
However,as I’ve said,the idea of taking freight from container ships and putting it on rail,especially over Europe-China type distances,seems to blow the bs so called ‘environmental’ CO2 argument and case,used by the rail freight industry,againt the long haul road transport sector,out of the water.
I’m not sure exactly when it was that the asian regions of the TIR convention was set up and took in places like Iran,Syria,Jordan and Kuwait 
.But by the mid-late 1970’s British operators seem to have been running into and through the Asian and Middle East states on a regular basis which seems to suggest that,at least by then,the customs clearance situation was well enough sorted .
Although even today Saudi doesn’t seem to have signed up to it but Kuwait did. 
Things were a bit different when they started in 1964 and he was competing with sea transport as the company still is today.
Fact is road transport has its place and always will its just not the be all and end all