kr79:
Things were a bit different when they started in 1964 and he was competing with sea transport as the company still is today.
Fact is road transport has its place and always will its just not the be all and end all
None of which alters the point of the topic.In which all the evidence shows that the the rail freight industry and the national and EU governments are all guilty as charged of running a protectionist anti competitive trading policy in favour of the rail freight industry at the expense of the long haul sector of the road transport industry.I don’t think the issue of road transport often being in a position where it can compete with sea transport could be foreseen or really has any connection with that issue.I don’t think that the sea transport industry really cares and is probably more open to competition from road transport than the rail freight industry is.Which probably explains why the sea transport industry hasn’t made any complaints to the government asking for protectionist policies in regard to competition with road transport.Unlike the rail freight industry has constantly done and continues to do.
Ironically,as I’ve said,the rail freight industry has blown it’s own bs ‘environmental’ argument and claims against the road transport industry,concerning the fuel efficiency issue,out of the water,by taking freight from the sea transport industry and putting it on far les fuel efficient rail.
In view of which I can’t see any reason how the rail freight industry and the government can justify using the present anti competitive trading policies,in regards to competition between road transport and rail.In which case there’s absolutely no reason as to why there should be any policies which would stop the use of LHV’s and/or the use of red diesel in trucks wether running domestic freight journeys in the uk or europe or way beyond.
In which case maybe jobs in the long haul sector of the domestic and european road transport sector would be more secure than they are now and maybe some firm like Astran could maybe open up those new East Asian markets in competition with rail which I’ve described and yes road transport should always be the be all and end all for those with any interest in the industry.In just the same way as rail transport is the be all and end all for those working in the rail transport industry.
Which is why there are people working in that industry who’ve decided to run freight,not only between domestic and European locations in competition with long haul road transport operations,but also now between Europe and China by rail in competition with sea transport.In just the same way that the road transport industry should be able to do the same in competition with rail and sea transport.Without the bs protectionist measures used to distort the transport market in favour of rail transport at the road transport industry’s expense being that as I’ve said I’m sure that the sea transport industry would have no objections to the road transport industry using LHV’s and red diesel.Just as it doesn’t seem to have made any bs ‘environmental’ fuel consumption objections concerning freight being taken by less fuel efficient rail transport instead of by more fuel efficient sea transport.
“I believe in intuitions and inspirations…I sometimes FEEL that I am right. I do not KNOW that I am.”
From what I see, there is a load of “Stuff” sat in England. There is a bloke in another distant country wants some “Stuff” There is another bloke somewhere in between who owns this “Stuff”
The “Stuff” will sit in England for ever, even if the bloke who wants it whistles for it.
Meanwhile on the high seas there is some more “stuff” loaded on a ship bobbing about because it cannot get on a berth.
There is some more stuff sat in a railway siding in Minsk.
None of this stuff is being used until the bloke who owns it has been paid, even then it will not move until a truck appears to move it, paid for by anyone of those people.
Wheel Nut:
“I believe in intuitions and inspirations…I sometimes FEEL that I am right. I do not KNOW that I am.”
From what I see, there is a load of “Stuff” sat in England. There is a bloke in another distant country wants some “Stuff” There is another bloke somewhere in between who owns this “Stuff”
The “Stuff” will sit in England for ever, even if the bloke who wants it whistles for it.
Meanwhile on the high seas there is some more “stuff” loaded on a ship bobbing about because it cannot get on a berth.
There is some more stuff sat in a railway siding in Minsk.
None of this stuff is being used until the bloke who owns it has been paid, even then it will not move until a truck appears to move it, paid for by anyone of those people.
It is simply trucks that move Stuff
None of which seems to justify the rail freight industry’s objections,or the government’s policies,in regards to not allowing LHV trucks to run throughout Europe or allowing trucks to run on red diesel in competition with the rail freight industry.Nor does it make much sense to the unemployed driver who’s just lost a job which involved regular long haul runs all over the country or Europe who’s job doesn’t exist anymore because the loads carried now go mostly on a train as part of an intermodal freight journey.
The reason given for the redundancy probably went along the lines of it’s just no longer economic to send it by road because of the fuel cost and economies of scale advantages which the rail freight industry has.But look on the bright side depending on the redundancy amount you might be able to afford the start up costs to work as an owner driver subby doing local runs from the rail head if the rail freight operators can find a job for you.But we can’t guarantee it considering how many drivers are looking for a job and we can’t guarantee how long they’ll pay the present subsidised rates to make up for the short runs before changing the job to mileage rates even though you won’t be running many miles.
There are thousands of lorrys thundering there way round Europe and will be for years to come. Your the only one who thinks there isn’t.
Same as drivers who can’t find work. We are in a ■■■■ recession the world over. Not been big headed but I’ve not been out we work more than a week since I passed my hgv in 2000 I’ve been an owner driver I’ve ended up in Canada driving all over North America. I’m nothing special I left school with a gcse in looking out the window and nothing else. But I’ve chased things I wanted to try you sit here bemoaning you couldn’t get a euro gig despite been a driver in the 80s when you couldn’t mover in jubilee way for British lorrys roaring down the ramp for a ferry. So ,no offence but why should we listen to your drivel.
I appologise for been rude but you got Wheelnut who despite not someone who I always agree with who is a peer of yours who has taken chances and done a bit and a switchlogic who despite the odds has done the euro thing in times when its much harder to do than the 80s and been a sort of welsh mincer who is not your typical lorry driver in to the bargin
kr79:
There are thousands of lorrys thundering there way round Europe and will be for years to come. Your the only one who thinks there isn’t.
Same as drivers who can’t find work. We are in a [zb] recession the world over. Not been big headed but I’ve not been out we work more than a week since I passed my hgv in 2000 I’ve been an owner driver I’ve ended up in Canada driving all over North America. I’m nothing special I left school with a gcse in looking out the window and nothing else. But I’ve chased things I wanted to try you sit here bemoaning you couldn’t get a euro gig despite been a driver in the 80s when you couldn’t mover in jubilee way for British lorrys roaring down the ramp for a ferry. So ,no offence but why should we listen to your drivel.
I appologise for been rude but you got Wheelnut who despite not someone who I always agree with who is a peer of yours who has taken chances and done a bit and a switchlogic who despite the odds has done the euro thing in times when its much harder to do than the 80s and been a sort of welsh mincer who is not your typical lorry driver in to the bargin
Seems to me that you’ve got some serious misunderstanding of the issues concerning the real meaning of a recession.Actually contrary to your ideas I was one of the lucky ones during the 1980’s in that I wasn’t out of work for any period of time at all either.The so called ‘recovery’ from that put things where they are around now.
No mid understanding if recession and perhaps me and you have been lucky as living in the south east we are a bit more recession proof than others areas.
But be Fair since you come on here youm have re routed the Middle East the heyp day of British international haulage and uk politics without turning a wheel in anger.
kr79:
No mid understanding if recession and perhaps me and you have been lucky as living in the south east we are a bit more recession proof than others areas.
But be Fair since you come on here you fm have re rote the Middle East the get day of British international haulage and uk politics without turning a wheel in anger.
As I remember it during the 1980’s for the general working class it didn’t make a lot of difference whatsoever wether you were in the south east or anywhere else in the country.Just as it didn’t for my grandparents during the 1920’s/30’s.Like many northern factory employees I found myself made redundant within around a year of Maggie getting into power and as I’ve said there weren’t many/any employers looking for under 25 year old class 2 drivers to drive drawbar outfits on euro work.Then like many other redundant northern factory workers it was just a matter of luck wether I’d find a job or not with the chances and pay rates being similar although the cost of living has always been higher down here.Ironically there were probably plenty of those lucky euro drivers who were based up north and who had a better job and were earning a lot more than I was as a council driver in Surrey.So recession proof here as a driver bs.
But no I don’t see any forum rules that would stop anyone with just a background in domestic work,mostly night trunking in my case,being unable to make a point or put a view to whatever subject on here and I’d imagine there are plenty of people who’d share my views concerning this topic regardless of wether they are only involved with domestic work or euro work.
I really can’t understand why anyone,with an interest in the road transport industry,would disagree with any of the points which I’ve made regarding this topic ( except maybe those with any interest in the intermodal rail freight sector).
