A Toleman 12 car.
oiltreader
transporter man:
oiltreader:
Commercial Collections delivering vans to London Transport maintenance fleet depot.
oiltreaderDid You know Commercial Collections have packed in?
Hi transporter man, I was not aware, but now memory is in gear, (clutch slipping a bit) there was a firm called Car and Commercial Delivery or mebbe Collection dunno if that’s the same outfit they were around when I was on Progressive.
oiltreader
oiltreader:
transporter man:
oiltreader:
Commercial Collections delivering vans to London Transport maintenance fleet depot.
oiltreaderDid You know Commercial Collections have packed in?
Hi transporter man, I was not aware, but now memory is in gear, (clutch slipping a bit) there was a firm called Car and Commercial Delivery or mebbe Collection dunno if that’s the same outfit they were around when I was on Progressive.
oiltreader
High you are right oiltreader it was Car & Commercial now running under the STVA banner, they also absorbed Automove. C & C was another one of these long running companies that started up plating after the war. The father of Joe & Pete Howells set up the company, if I remember correctly the father was killed in a train crash at Derby or Burton when the train ran into the buffers when he & Pete were returning to Birmingham after an early morning plate delivery to the North East. Pete died about 5 or 6 years ago.
Heres one of Car & Commercials
iangam:
Bewick:
What was the history behind Sillcock and Colling,how did they grow and where did they disappear to ? You saw them all over the place in the 60’s and 70’s.Bewick.They got sold to become Silcock Express and then sold again to TBG mergered with Toleman and became Axial. Axial I believe split when TBG pulled out of cars (cos it don’t pay), the Ford contact part became Ansa and the rest of Axial was absorbed into the Autologic group. I think thats right if you can follow it.
Thanks for that “iangam”,I lost the will to live after “Toleman” as the other names were after my time so don’t register the same I can recall that the Silcock & Colling motors were green with yellow signwriting( I think) !!! Cheers Bewick.
transporter man:
oiltreader:
Commercial Collections delivering vans to London Transport maintenance fleet depot.
oiltreaderDid You know Commercial Collections have packed in?
Heard this the other day but wondered if they were refering to CCS from Chester as i believe they have gone.
iangam:
transporter man:
oiltreader:
Commercial Collections delivering vans to London Transport maintenance fleet depot.
oiltreaderDid You know Commercial Collections have packed in?
Heard this the other day but wondered if they were refering to CCS from Chester as i believe they have gone.
Yes CCS went last year, another company that started with plates in the 50s
Bewick:
iangam:
Bewick:
What was the history behind Sillcock and Colling,how did they grow and where did they disappear to ? You saw them all over the place in the 60’s and 70’s.Bewick.They got sold to become Silcock Express and then sold again to TBG mergered with Toleman and became Axial. Axial I believe split when TBG pulled out of cars (cos it don’t pay), the Ford contact part became Ansa and the rest of Axial was absorbed into the Autologic group. I think thats right if you can follow it.
Thanks for that “iangam”,I lost the will to live after “Toleman” as the other names were after my time so don’t register the same I can recall that the Silcock & Colling motors were green with yellow signwriting( I think) !!! Cheers Bewick.
Heres one
a few more photos of some others and autologic loads,with another couple with a little bit of damage.the first one shows how powerful range rovers are (after this happened a few times you were only allowed to load them in low range)
this happened one sunday afternoon,twenty minutes after leaving the nissan factory washington,autologic decided it was because the driver had a cable running to the battery for his kettle etc.
i have to admit i’ve always done this but with an in line fuse near the batteries,never gave it a thought.not now though its a sackable offence.
Heres another close to your heart glenny
transporter man:
Heres another close to your heart glenny10
i remember that one well,it was on the national irish news,it was crosbies policy that you had to hide a set of keys,every driver the poles ,south africans and irish always left them in the same place(saw them do it many a time).
Apparently where the driver parked his wagon,it was’nt exactly secure,so they got the keys and pinched it,they took it to a building site and got bogged down and stuck,so they torched it but also the brand new house next to it got badly damaged too.Mind you i think they did get away with a mini.
Bewick:
iangam:
Bewick:
What was the history behind Sillcock and Colling,how did they grow and where did they disappear to ? You saw them all over the place in the 60’s and 70’s.Bewick.They got sold to become Silcock Express and then sold again to TBG mergered with Toleman and became Axial. Axial I believe split when TBG pulled out of cars (cos it don’t pay), the Ford contact part became Ansa and the rest of Axial was absorbed into the Autologic group. I think thats right if you can follow it.
Thanks for that “iangam”,I lost the will to live after “Toleman” as the other names were after my time so don’t register the same I can recall that the Silcock & Colling motors were green with yellow signwriting( I think) !!! Cheers Bewick.
Dennis, your right they were Yellow and Green and they use to run Albion wagon & drags.
glenny54:
a few more photos of some others and autologic loads,with another couple with a little bit of damage.the first one shows how powerful range rovers are (after this happened a few times you were only allowed to load them in low range)
It’s not the power in the car as much as the muppet driving it, saw this done with a Puegeot 306. that range rover must have been after the other 2 they did the same too, as we always reversed them on up to that point a much safer way imo, because if you go over the top driving them on, you go through the window, if you do it in reverse, your back has the full support of the seat, but thats H&S for you.
Dieseldogsix:
glenny54:
a few more photos of some others and autologic loads,with another couple with a little bit of damage.the first one shows how powerful range rovers are (after this happened a few times you were only allowed to load them in low range)It’s not the power in the car as much as the muppet driving it, saw this done with a Puegeot 306. that range rover must have been after the other 2 they did the same too, as we always reversed them on up to that point a much safer way imo, because if you go over the top driving them on, you go through the window, if you do it in reverse, your back has the full support of the seat, but thats H&S for you.
I agree with the backing them up but i did hear that Dave Canning ended up in the boot when he went off backwards don’t know how true that is.
iangam:
Dieseldogsix:
glenny54:
a few more photos of some others and autologic loads,with another couple with a little bit of damage.the first one shows how powerful range rovers are (after this happened a few times you were only allowed to load them in low range)It’s not the power in the car as much as the muppet driving it, saw this done with a Puegeot 306. that range rover must have been after the other 2 they did the same too, as we always reversed them on up to that point a much safer way imo, because if you go over the top driving them on, you go through the window, if you do it in reverse, your back has the full support of the seat, but thats H&S for you.
I agree with the backing them up but i did hear that Dave Canning ended up in the boot when he went off backwards don’t know how true that is.
I attended a meeting at Landrover titled ‘The peak deck working committee’ where the problem was discussed, you wouldn’t believe some of the idea’s the LR health & Safety men came up with. I think there were 5 off the top in one year. I spoke to one driver who had driven onto the peak, got out and found he was on a strap, he reversed back and moved the strap and then drove off the top whilst driving it back into position. He managed to land it on its wheels!! he came down to Transporter the next day & we swapped the peak off a new vehicle to get him mobile. Another driver managed to go over the top and he was only supposed to be loading it onto top deck rear of the rigid.
LR rover gave us a vehicle to experiment with in the Ontime yard we used another vehicle as a safety net we couldnt reproduce the situation.
transporter man:
iangam:
Dieseldogsix:
glenny54:
a few more photos of some others and autologic loads,with another couple with a little bit of damage.the first one shows how powerful range rovers are (after this happened a few times you were only allowed to load them in low range)It’s not the power in the car as much as the muppet driving it, saw this done with a Puegeot 306. that range rover must have been after the other 2 they did the same too, as we always reversed them on up to that point a much safer way imo, because if you go over the top driving them on, you go through the window, if you do it in reverse, your back has the full support of the seat, but thats H&S for you.
I agree with the backing them up but i did hear that Dave Canning ended up in the boot when he went off backwards don’t know how true that is.
I attended a meeting at Landrover titled ‘The peak deck working committee’ where the problem was discussed, you wouldn’t believe some of the idea’s the LR health & Safety men came up with. I think there were 5 off the top in one year. I spoke to one driver who had driven onto the peak, got out and found he was on a strap, he reversed back and moved the strap and then drove off the top whilst driving it back into position. He managed to land it on its wheels!! he came down to Transporter the next day & we swapped the peak off a new vehicle to get him mobile. Another driver managed to go over the top and he was only supposed to be loading it onto top deck rear of the rigid.
LR rover gave us a vehicle to experiment with in the Ontime yard we used another vehicle as a safety net we couldnt reproduce the situation.
Seems to be a problem that has come about due to the short units and long trailers, with the old 50/50 wagon and drags you would pretty much level out once you hit the unit and you never heard of it happening, but on these later style you have to keep the power on for much longer as you climb and don’t level out until your on the peak not giving you long to stop.
iangam:
transporter man:
iangam:
Dieseldogsix:
glenny54:
a few more photos of some others and autologic loads,with another couple with a little bit of damage.the first one shows how powerful range rovers are (after this happened a few times you were only allowed to load them in low range)It’s not the power in the car as much as the muppet driving it, saw this done with a Puegeot 306. that range rover must have been after the other 2 they did the same too, as we always reversed them on up to that point a much safer way imo, because if you go over the top driving them on, you go through the window, if you do it in reverse, your back has the full support of the seat, but thats H&S for you.
I agree with the backing them up but i did hear that Dave Canning ended up in the boot when he went off backwards don’t know how true that is.
I attended a meeting at Landrover titled ‘The peak deck working committee’ where the problem was discussed, you wouldn’t believe some of the idea’s the LR health & Safety men came up with. I think there were 5 off the top in one year. I spoke to one driver who had driven onto the peak, got out and found he was on a strap, he reversed back and moved the strap and then drove off the top whilst driving it back into position. He managed to land it on its wheels!! he came down to Transporter the next day & we swapped the peak off a new vehicle to get him mobile. Another driver managed to go over the top and he was only supposed to be loading it onto top deck rear of the rigid.
LR rover gave us a vehicle to experiment with in the Ontime yard we used another vehicle as a safety net we couldnt reproduce the situation.Seems to be a problem that has come about due to the short units and long trailers, with the old 50/50 wagon and drags you would pretty much level out once you hit the unit and you never heard of it happening, but on these later style you have to keep the power on for much longer as you climb and don’t level out until your on the peak not giving you long to stop.
I still think its down to the LR as it has happened to too many good experienced drivers the vehicle seems to surge I had a theory that due to the vehicles not having much fuel in, the stack pipe starts to pick up air whilst on the slope and cause the vehicle to surge. I have noticed that when a petrol engine is about to run out of fuel the revs do increase. I believe all the vehicles were V8 automatics bound for the US